How long does it take to get a connection and what is it like? Do you hear voices or is it like a "brainwave"? I'm trying to reach that state but I don't know what the signs are to know your doing it right etc. I seek Gnosis (knowledge) and guidence incase your wondering why I'm asking ^_^
know thyself and you will know the universe
just be really quiet and you will in time hear many other people
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For everyone its different, depending on your sensitivity and awareness.
Mine used to be mainly visual, like watching a movie, but over time its refined, so I can see less but know more ( saves energy and energy = information)
Now I see, feel hear and or just know the information, just conscious of it. Depending on what your actually doing and why..IE writing, just listening, or giving a reading to someone.
I find sitting with the spirit people and just acknowledge what ever you experience and let it go is the best way..if you get caught up in what you see hear or sense you will not go deeper... acknowledged and let go...as you move further into the experience..over time your power and awareness will grow.
But like a flower opening it takes time.
Regards.
So it's the same concept as "empty your mind" and "feel the force around you". Been trying to do that for awhile now but maby I need to do it longer like when you try to obe without no pre sleep.
Would you truly trust a complete stranger to enter your home? Channeling is a gamble imo, most of the time you dont really know who your allowing to enter your body/mind.
Quote from: Optic on September 28, 2011, 08:34:19
Would you truly trust a complete stranger to enter your home? Channeling is a gamble imo, most of the time you dont really know who your allowing to enter your body/mind.
it depends on the belief systom on that person I guess. Spiritual people tend to speak to there higherselves or an alien who wants to teach. And then you get people who channel lower beings that causes trubble. I think it's based on who you are and what you do/belive. Maby theses people are channeling there
subconscious or something. There's only 1 consciousness which is us and we are only posessed if we are unconscious of the present moment (being in the past/future and acting like a daily robot etc)
Alot of spiritual teachings comes from a higher source ither it's from God/buddah/Jesus/Krishna/Tao/holy spirit/Sophia ect. It's all channeling one source which no doubt is based what your beliefs are. The religus channel'ers gets a spiritual being and others channel dead people or lower beings who are just anoying.
Quote from: Karas on October 22, 2011, 10:36:14
it depends on the belief systom on that person I guess. Spiritual people tend to speak to there higherselves or an alien who wants to teach.
"Speaking" with the "Higher Self" it's not the same thing at all. A) it is not done via chattering (chattering is a part of the "ruach", i.e. the intellect), B) it's impossible to exchange it for another thing (those who do is because they *want* to exchange it for another thing).
If you just accept every "entity" at face value then you are in for trouble, no matter what. If, for example, you meet a guide that says to you he is chinese and he doesn't know one word of chinese you can be sure that the information you can have from him it's not worth your time.
"Spiritists" are in general people that like whatever type of contact, no matter how false or idiot the contact is. They just want the experience and they don't care at all if it serves something or not. Not everyone of them is like this but in a large percentual that's so.
Quote from: Karas on October 22, 2011, 10:36:14
It's all channeling one source which no doubt is based what your beliefs are. The religus channel'ers gets a spiritual being and others channel dead people or lower beings who are just anoying.
"Belief" has nothing to do with it, and no, it's not "channeling from one source", at all. For example the subconcious and unconscious are two completely different things. You can say that one is in "hell" the other is in "heaven".
What's the differnce between channeling and inner knowledge that the great masters reached?
"But the wisdom (Sophia) that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy."
—James 3:17
as we see here, sophia is from above and isn't phyical. Alot of great masters meditate to reach that inner wisdom and knowledge. Is this the same catoagry or totally diffent?
I don't consider myself to be a channeler, although some people have told me that it's what I sometimes do... so I'll just describe what I see/do when I do (not often, I don't have the time and not always the inclination)
First of all, I go into as deep a trance as I can get, as deep as when I want to project- but instead of trying an exit strategy I just sit and wait and see, and hear. I sometimes will then get a voice, and I'll ask a question. I will then use discernment as I listen for the answers. Now, since the answers more than likely are not reliable (as others aptly pointed out) I'll wait to get a feeling from inside of me, a knowing of what the answer is. It's not information peers, it's a knowing as if it were a given. This is what I rely on, and I do think it comes from a part of me (Higher Self, Superconscious?) instead of the voices or externally experienced entities, which may be parts of my subconscious or part of the collective unconscious.
I never invite any (one/thing) to invade my inner space, I just try to experience what's already there.
Quote from: Karas on October 22, 2011, 14:19:50
What's the differnce between channeling and inner knowledge that the great masters reached?
"But the wisdom (Sophia) that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy."
—James 3:17
as we see here, sophia is from above and isn't phyical. Alot of great masters meditate to reach that inner wisdom and knowledge. Is this the same catoagry or totally diffent?
I already told you on where it is the difference. When you usually "channel" an "entity" the information you recive is of a "verbal" sort. With the "Higher Self" that's not so. Morover there's a great difference on the quality both of the experience and both of the difficulty on making the "contact".
An "entity" the more lower it is the more easy it is to "channel" trough. To "channel" in full the "Higher Self" is in fact probably one of the most difficult things to do, especially at beginning. You can have "messages" (but not with words) if you try to listen (as in the example CFTraveler has explained) but a *full* contact it is a definite experience, very "powerful" and after everything changes, you cannot mistake it for something else.
Btw, "Higher Self" it's a name that's a bit misleading. You can think it is a sort of sum of what you consider your best abilities/ideals, but that's not so. It is something separate from what you consider your self (for this it is better, in practice, to approach it as a separate "entity", as to not exchange a part of your ego for it). Maybe "Silent Self" is a better name, but any name falls short of it. It is both (as it can be perceived one way or another, or be both, or neither one of them) subjective/objective, internal/external, male/female etc. etc.
Selea wrote:
Quote"Silent Self" is a better name,
Wow, yeah. It describes how it feels to me-very hard to put in words.
Thank you for the replys ^^
I have a better understanding now
I think we are thinking different things about what channeling is, what I mean by channeling is people who are trying to contact some being or entity that is not themselves and inviting them to express through the body and mind of the channeler. This is dangerous and foolish, what you are saying by watching your own mind CFTraveller is simply watching your own inner dialogue, those voices could simply be your own subconscious mind, we have internal chatter all the time even when we are awake in the physical so why would it be any different when we try to meditate? It makes sense that all the internal chatter will become more pronounced when trying to meditate as we start to become more aware of the internal state.
It would be worthwhile to try and overcome that chatter (without force) and then shift your observation towards the observer ;)
Quote from: Optic on November 07, 2011, 05:50:21
I think we are thinking different things about what channeling is, what I mean by channeling is people who are trying to contact some being or entity that is not themselves and inviting them to express through the body and mind of the channeler. This is dangerous and foolish
It's not always "dangerous and fooling". It is such only if:
A) you don't invoke a proper force and only that.
B) the force invoked is "lower" than yourself are (for example *invoking* an elemental it's a bad thing, in that case you should *evoke* the same)
C) you don't assure that that force is *really* not a part of yourself (in fact many times channellers are all happy when they have a "force" that "resonate with themselves" and this is what it should not absolutely happen; on the contrary if there's not a feeling of something "alien" and in someway extraneous then you can consider the "contact" only as a way to make some practice and nothing more)
D) you don't test the information properly to see if point A, B and C are met
E) you don't "accept" the force as a way to assimilate a different point of view instead of using the same on the contrary as a way to aggrandize that already estabilished (and limited) point of view
Quote from: Optic on November 07, 2011, 05:50:21
what you are saying by watching your own mind CFTraveller is simply watching your own inner dialogue, those voices could simply be your own subconscious mind, we have internal chatter all the time even when we are awake in the physical so why would it be any different when we try to meditate? It makes sense that all the internal chatter will become more pronounced when trying to meditate as we start to become more aware of the internal state.
For how I did read it CFTraveler is going beyond the chatter of thought in that practice and she is doing exactly what you say next.
Yep. When I started doing this I thought I was listening to entities, and soon figured out they were self aspects (or subconscious chatter). Then, after a lot of 'deepening' I found out how to get beyond it, and I'm still not that good at it, but I'm getting there. Somewhat, anyway.
Quote from: CFTraveler on November 07, 2011, 10:13:52
Yep. When I started doing this I thought I was listening to entities, and soon figured out they were self aspects (or subconscious chatter). Then, after a lot of 'deepening' I found out how to get beyond it, and I'm still not that good at it, but I'm getting there. Somewhat, anyway.
Thats really good CFTraveller, that your able to get past the mental chatter (even somewhat) without identifying yourself with them, this is actually a type of serene observation, its really good that you have been able to get to this stage and it would be even better if you can get to this daily! Do you feel any positive effects leading up to the meditation practice and even after the practice? By effects im inquiring about emotional, psychological, physical etc such as feelings of peace, tranquility, heightened awareness, non-attachment to anything, non-distraction, contentment, emotional tension release, stress alleviation etc etc?
Not really, just clarity.
Well, that's a good side-effect nonetheless :-D