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Quote from: ArmyOfOne1911 on December 18, 2011, 23:47:06http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmkPBrHwQWI&feature=relatedPretty interesting...It disappoints me though... So everyone I meet in this lifetime... All of my good memories of this lifetime... My family, pets, relationships, etc. Just gone after leaving? You will never meet up with them again, for you will have no clue who your family even was. If this life we are in now fades away "like a dream" Then you are sent back here to relive the physical again.
Quote from: Ident on December 19, 2011, 00:24:02I didn't see anything unexpected. Our real existence is in spirit realms and we come here to be challenged without the security of knowing that we are totally safe and always protected. Under this condition of stress we learn through adversity and we progress. We meet our loved ones again back in spirit or our loved ones will write and choose their own lives to be with us again during the incarnation.It's an eternal journey so never worry about any one individual cycle.He doesn't suggest that we have no further memory of our life and loved one and, regardless, we can always go and re-experience it as we choose. Our true life is in spirit. We are here to train ourselves and then we return home. Think of it as a tour of duty.
Quote from: Volgerle on December 19, 2011, 06:36:33When looking at our life we lead now, we need to get out of the box of our "ego" perspective. Because the Ego wants things as they are now. (Telling yourself: "I am this person now and I will be always this person because that is the way I WANT it to be. Period."). This is mainly what many religions do (esp. the monotheistic ones): they "flatter the ego" because they tell you if you behave well (and as they want you to behave) and 'serve' the God they want you to serve you will basically "stay the same" after death as a reward. But this is an illusion. You are not the same after death. That's because you are not what you(r ego) think(s) your are right now as human being, in the first place. You are much MORE than this. This life is just a little part of what you "really" are.
Quote from: Stookie_ on December 19, 2011, 11:22:08When you're in a great dream and think it's real, you don't want or expect to wake up into reality, but then you do and remember everything and see the dream for the illusion it was and appreciate it from your current perspective.
Quote from: Volgerle on December 19, 2011, 06:36:33Campbell's descriptions are almost or fairly consistent with what Monroe reported, and also what hypnotherapists like M. Newton report on life "between" lives (which is a wrong expression, as the life "between" is our "real" life).Compare:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6ZxoWhen looking at our life we lead now, we need to get out of the box of our "ego" perspective. Because the Ego wants things as they are now. (Telling yourself: "I am this person now and I will be always this person because that is the way I WANT it to be. Period."). This is mainly what many religions do (esp. the monotheistic ones): they "flatter the ego" because they tell you if you behave well (and as they want you to behave) and 'serve' the God they want you to serve you will basically "stay the same" after death as a reward. But this is an illusion. You are not the same after death. That's because you are not what you(r ego) think(s) your are right now as human being, in the first place. You are much MORE than this. This life is just a little part of what you "really" are.
Quote from: Oversoul123 on December 19, 2011, 17:59:50Some questions that have baffled me regarding the theory of reincarnation are these – How do I know that the "beings" guiding me through the afterlife, assuming there is one, are benevolent? How can I trust them enough to allow them to wipe my memory clean? How do I know that they don't have their own secret agenda? Robert Monroe once wrote about us being on the earth for the purpose of providing/harvesting "lush" or something of that nature. Tom himself says that our purpose is to reduce our entropy in order to help AUM/AUO achieve a higher state of being but what are the intentions of AUM/AUO. How do I know that reincarnation is not a scam to keep me trapped in this planet for harvesting or whatever? Maybe some cleaver beings propped-up a scenario in the afterlife in an effort to take advantage of our lack of understanding of what is going on (being new to the afterlife and all) and dupe us into believing that we need to reincarnate in order to achieve a bogus state of being and BAM! We get bagged! Ready for more" harvesting" back here on earth.... BTW, has anybody ever seen the movie "The Island" starting Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson? That movie perfectly describes what I'm trying to say.I'm not trying to say that this is how it is but how can I know that it's not? There is still a lot that is unknown, personally, I don't think it's a good idea to be all trusting I don't care how loving some of these beings might appear. If I do encounter a scenario similar to this one after death, I know that I'm going to be asking a %^& load of questions and if they still insist that I must reincarnate, I'll tell'em to go kick rocks. There's no way that I'll allow anybody to wipe my memory and there's no way in hell that I'm coming back to this rock. Am I paranoid for thinking this way?
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 19, 2011, 19:47:44Easy... Trust no one.
Quote from: ArmyOfOne1911 on December 19, 2011, 23:33:49No, I hear you I think this way too! Lol this reminds me of the movie eraser with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Quote from: Stookie_ on December 20, 2011, 11:18:32Yes... trust no one and USE YOUR INTUITION AND INTENT. That's really all you've got. You can keep trying to figure it out or give up and hope for the best.
Quote from: Stookie_ on December 20, 2011, 11:18:32Yes... trust no one and USE YOUR INTUITION AND INTENT. That's really all you've got.
Quote from: Volgerle on December 20, 2011, 16:24:14So is INTUITION an antagonist or even the contrary of TRUST? And how about using one's INTUITION to TRUST s.o. (if you have it) - should you rather DIS-TRUST your INTUITION then?Certainly, I agree with regard to INTENT. To have the INTENT to trust s.o. or sth does not justify it and can even be dangerous, but if you 'intuit' it?You see, I am not too sure about the usefulness of a general "100%-trust-none"-policy forwarded here by the majority of posts now.I agree that one should always be 'cautious' but that is still sth different from being entirely 'distrustful'. Btw, this applies, for me, to physical as well as astral life.
Quote from: Oversoul123 on December 20, 2011, 18:37:15the trust in context here is in regard to granting someone/something outside of yourself the authority to erase your identity and assume that they have your best interest in mind.
Quote from: Volgerle on December 21, 2011, 07:16:50Well, okay, fair enough. Also, I was thinking more of the trusted-guides-issue when I talked about trust by intuition, but I see that this is of course another topic now, as we talk about afterlife concepts here.I do not believe that there is something to erase because 'over there' in NPMR we "are what we are" (so to speak), and this is automatically different from what we are here. So our 'identities' (egos) here are more or less an illusion if we believe them to be persistent or the basis of our true Being / Self.To use a metaphor: What we are here is a kind of 'role' we play here, that's the way I see it. Looking at it like a 'role' has the advantage that it is a neither/nor or either/or-thing. You bring yourSELF into that role as you play it - so it IS YOU indeed on a certain level. On the other hand, it is still a role and it is temporary. You leave the stage, take off the costumes and go home when the play is done. And that also, in turn, does NOT mean the identity's role is erased by anyone (or ourselves), why should it be? It just means that they do not even exist on that higher level entirely, just like (to stick to the metaphor) you leave the stage and stop playing the role and still are yourself - and keep your memory, knowledge and skill of the role you played. So for me it is not a trust issue at all because these things will come back naturally to us, when we are back, after our death here. You will KNOW that it is "just" a role and no one will have to convince you of it or force you to believe something or even 'erase' something.