Illuminati .. WW3

[enlightnd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2X2K3ebvQ

This is kind of scary. Even if you just watch the first 20 mins.

What can WE do tho ?

[ForrestDean]

I ask this with the greatest compassion.  What would YOU like to do?  This is not a rhetorical question.

[enlightnd]

I ask this with the greatest compassion.  What would YOU like to do?  This is not a rhetorical question.

Well i think you still want some kind of reply be it rhetorical or not, So ill just say what i feel.

Theres nothing I can DO.. So it doesn't really matter. I would like to live my life and not have to go through a War, And i would like to live in a world where we are all equal and not controlled and have no say.

[Bedeekin]

Government of wannabes?

What else is there to be but in power... I would call them... bees.

[enlightnd]

Government of wannabes?

What else is there to be but in power... I would call them... bees.

haha, yes i did right that but thought i would tone it down a bit lol bees indeed bzzzzzzz

[enlightnd]

But i just want to here peoples thoughts on this video to be honest. This isn't about me.

[Bedeekin]

I shall give it a watch.

What do you want to hear?

I suspect I will be trashing it as paranoia.. unless it mentions North Korea and Syria.

[enlightnd]

I shall give it a watch.

What do you want to hear?

I suspect I will be trashing it as paranoia.. unless it mentions North Korea and Syria.

hmm, Im not sure to be honest Bedeekin. Just have a geez 
I just thought it was worth a share for some general convo.., I'm slightly sceptical of all this illuminati and i just wonder if other people think there will be a WW3 as its all been planned apparently since 1890 or something(that was a guess), they were all planned WW1, WW2 and what the wars were going to be over was all planned prior to anything ever happening, It explains it in the video anyway. Im yet to watch it all, ill watch the rest today maybe.

[enlightnd]

OK, I can now give a proper view as i had only watched the first half hour when i posted this, So i watched a good hour off it then got EXTREMELY bored and scanned threw it and watched a few sections,

So i came to the conclusion that America is the main cause to all the fighting an killing going on in Syria and Afghanistan and all those other countries that are at war with each other, And that even if american troops are not there themselves doing the killing they have trained troops from other countries to go in and do there dirty work, Obama wants these countries to continue to fight and kill each other to get rid off all there religions, He fuels it.

He wants less people on earth so he can control us all much easier. He wants WW3 to kill off 90% of americans apparently...

And its so true! Ask yourself why are there american troops in these other countries killing innocent people ? Bombing them etc, Why are they even there in the first place.. This isn't americas war, Its between these other countries so let them sort it out themselves...  You don't see russian troops over here in our countries killing people saying 'oh we are helping to keep the peace' They are not helping at all! But that is there plan in the end anyway.

And like the one bloke says he went around to all these countries and asked people why are they fighting and what do they want? And they all said the same thing, "we just want the killing to stop" we want the people in the black hoods to stop shooting innocent people, And they are being sent in to do so by american troops.

I can see WW3 happening, Obama will send a few big bombs in and it will be on like donkey kong.

[Bedeekin]

Flippin cack! it's 3 hours long! Wow.

He is referring to the god damn Free Masons. You know... We have a full Free Mason leather case/cabinet that belonged to my girlfriend's granddad. He was pretty high up in the ranks.. judging by the real gold thread vestment and apron. They weigh a ton. There is also the FreeMason book with it and his certificate and lodge reference.

Reading the book... I just can't see them being anything but a very cliquey gentleman's club. Seriously. I'll photograph the book so you can all go through it with a fine tooth comb if you like.

Anyway... to say the wars were fixed just irks me. I just can't believe it. The amount of people who would have to kept their mouths shut all these years is just ridiculous... the same goes for 9/11.

Saying that... I believe there is massive profit in war. So it doesn't at all surprise me that the way they are conducted once started is planned and turned into a money making gambit.

Look at Syria. In the last few days it's been claimed that the rebels are using chemical weapons. Obama has denied it or taking a very skeptical approach. Why?
Consider the reasons for the iraq war and the removing of Saddam.. it was because of a 'rumour' that they had WMDs and chemical weapon manufacturing... and they were invaded. Obviously no WMDs were found... it was to destabilise and topple a regime that was in the way of oil and probably another million reasons.

So either Obama is being careful... not to make the same mistake Bush did... or it's just not part of the 'schedule' at the moment.

The same can be said for North Korea. These dudes are VERY DANGEROUS... seriously. But to engage the NKs in war wouldn't be at all profitable for the US/UK governments.. they are a wild card that are just not part of the 'plan' or schedule.

[Stillwater]

Some of what is in the video is right... but I am instantly distrustful of any of these videos with the spooky "whommmm-whommmm" chords playing in the background the whole time. If your facts are right, why do you need to use fear-inducing background muzak? It destroys your credibility.

Also, why two-and-a-half hours of Russia today interviews? That is more than a little gratuitous, lol.

[Bedeekin]

I think 80% of the information destroys credibility.

As soon as they mention 9/11 being a big conspiracy... I turn off. 

[ForrestDean]

Theres nothing I can DO.. So it doesn't really matter.

Then there's nothing you can do.

I would like to live my life and not have to go through a War, And i would like to live in a world where we are all equal and not controlled and have no say.

Then focus on this.  Everything else is irrelevant, unless you choose to make it relevant.  The Illuminati are irrelevant unless you choose to make them relevant.  It is a 100% choice.

I realize you didn't want to make the post about you.  I'm just responding to your question in the OP:

What can WE do tho ?

As far as the video is concerned, I didn't watch all of it.  I've seen too many of those already.  For myself it's quite boring, and again, completely irrelevant.

The main reason I even posted in this thread is to just say that there is nothing whatsoever to fear from any so called Illuminati or any "elite" organization or institution.  They are completely at the mercy of the System just as equally as the rest of society.  They are no more a threat to anyone than your next door neighbor.  Actually it's interesting - no that's not the right word - it's a bit monotonous to see conspiracy videos still circulating the Internet, but I guess it's not surprising given the continuing dominance of the ego.

[Volgerle]

I haven't seen the video and won't I guess, I read the description and it really isn't anything new. I have seen a lot of this. Being an observer of e.g. D. Icke or Alex Jones, plus many other alternative websites I know this stuff. This video isn't anything new.

Many conspiracy theories have a core of truth, but there's also a lot built around it, including fear mongery by the ones who earn their money with it. On the other hand, they are spot on with some things, too. It's always a two-sided coin for me.

E.g., I believe in a 9/11 conspiracy since there are too many 'weirdnesses' and unsolved questions. Some I believe half-way but there are exaggerations and over-speculations, too, I guess.  I recommend, for example to watch this movie from the engineers and specialists about 9/11. It is really worth watching!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

For those who never dealt with 9-11 and who want a quick overview, here's a webpage with some good and concise summaries and shorter vids about the weirdnesses:

http://www.matrixwissen.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:introductory-summary-on-911&catid=57:911&Itemid=90&lang=en

Moreover, we also have documents and evidence that e.g. False Flags and thus wilfully manipulated wars and mass killings take and took place by governments a lot. I wonder why people do not want to see it. Just google for "Northwoods" (just an example of many!). It's even on Wiki (and I really don't like Wiki!) and it is a shocking read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

So it's never a black-or-white thing only, imv.

As regards what ForrestDean says, I feel reminded of what I heard from Bashar lately about the Illuminati and the FEMA concentration camps, etc.. This is an interesting view and I still haven't - like the guy who poses the questions to Bashar - completely wrapped my mind around it. How can we 'manifest' a better world and just 'manifest' the bad people away by shifting realities? I don't know. I wish it would work. This is really interesting and I recommend watching this:

"Bashar - Illuminati and Parallel Earths"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMPXlyliLYM

"Shift to the one you prefer!"  

Still haven't my mind made up, but it makes me think a lot.

[Bedeekin]

Whenever 9/11 is concerned... I can't help but think of what the families and loved ones of those that died would say if you confronted them with a conspiracy.

I know if someone came ranting to me about it... I would lose it with them.

[Bedeekin]

Demons and possession during AP can be forgiven... because it involves personal fear.

Sitting at a laptop and getting frothy about articles of bad science... paranoid reporting and utterly ridiculous film plot-style conspiracies is just plain gullibility. It's quite sad.

If anything 9/11 was an opportunistic ticket to war for the US... not an orchestrated plot. The thousands of people who would have to have been involved and keeping quiet is just phenomenal. The explosion or demolition squibs said to be used to collapse the building is just a plain STUPID idea and whoever perpetrated the idea has no clue about pyrotechnics.. I do... I have a pyro licence.

[Volgerle]

Whenever 9/11 is concerned... I can't help but think of what the families and loved ones of those that died would say if you confronted them with a conspiracy.

I've thought this way years ago too. But think about it ... it's not logical. Simply for the fact that for the victims nothing changes. It is not about the victims, it is about the perpetrators.

Moreover, the 9-11-movement is huge and some who are active there indeed ARE relatives who have lost their loved ones on that day.

You should really look at the matters and facts without this kind of emotion and bias, that's how the mass media make it work to divert from these issues.

Again, it's not about the victims at all. Of course it is tragic and they were mass murdered! That does not change at all! But the question is: who is to blame? Or better: who "else" / also is to blame?

Furthermore, no one claims that no one died (okay, some very wacky people do, but they are really nuts), it's just a "who-dunnit" issue.

Again, I recommend the movie above, no one in this film says it was some 'satanist pedophile illuminati bankers' but only they say that it is 'fishy' and the government and authorities also acted in a fishy way and that there should be another investigation. That's all they say. This is more than reasonable a claim given the facts as they are presented (and cannot easily be debunked despite some mainstram writers - including wiki - attempts to do so!).

Do you still only trust the mass media (or wikipedia entries .... which is part of it) to be informed about what's going on? I think this is not enough nowadays. Not anymore. We need to wake up and not just follow the mass media.

[Volgerle]

If anything 9/11 was an opportunistic ticket to war for the US... not an orchestrated plot. The thousands of people who would have to have been involved and keeping quiet is just phenomenal. The explosion or demolition squibs said to be used to collapse the building is just a plain STUPID idea and whoever perpetrated the idea has no clue about pyrotechnics.. I do... I have a pyro licence.

Again, watch the movie. They are specialists too as you will see as they introduce themselves and their training and degrees.

[Lionheart]

 I have listened to real Demolition experts and their opinions on 911 and have found that they really do make a compelling case.

It's their occupation, so how can anyone question them. They would be known as the "authority" of anything of that nature.

But even they have been called "crack posts" by some.

I don't think we have been told the entire truth and most likely never will.

That alone will always keep this topic as a "fall back" for any future Conspiracy Theorists.

[Bedeekin]

Ok.. I watched the film "AE911Truth Experts Speak Out" and I will quite confidently back up and change my perspective on this instead of keeping an outright denial that something 'fishy' is going on.

Actually the best documentary I've personally seen on this. The best way to tackle the subject is to ask questions and cast doubt... which is why this is a sober and un-out-there approach.

It does leave more questions than answers though... which is good in some respect.

So... although now it's obvious that they were controlled demolition... as claimed by experts... it's just made the reason why I originally thought it was a ridiculous idea even more mysterious. It's just common sense on my part (i think) as to the reason why it's such an impossible thing.

1) All three buildings were evidently brought down (assisted) by controlled demolition

2) a massive demolition team would have to have spent months orchestrating and planning. They would have to have been all over the buildings like a team of ants prior to the date. They wouldn't be able to use RC controlled explosives because of the use of mobile phones and ANY radio transmissions could have potentially set off the squibs. Each demolition went perfectly... even the top support squibs regardless of the fact a large plane had just smashed into each building... which would have instantly severed circuit connection lines to the upper floor explosives.

[Stillwater]

I was never much interested in 9-11 conspiracy stuff because to me it wasn't the important side of the equation.

The super-powers are playing their endgame in the middle east right now, that is obvious to anyone looking on.

The power which the US has controlled since the 70's is, despite not much press to the fact, is the petro-dollar reserve system. The US pledged military "support" to the much of the mideast, in exchange for constant availability of oil, and and the promise that oil will be exchanged for dollars.

This agreement doesn't sound like much, but it is everything. It forces other countries to stockpile dollars if they want to buy oil, these dollars are like any dollars exchanged in the US. We have this thing called the Federal reserve, which can freely print more money as government bonds are sold in exchange. Everytime the Fed prints money, all the dollars that exist depreciate in value, so all the countries which are holding these dollars are having their value taxed away in effect by the Fed. The petrodollar system is the way the US taxes most of the world, and maintains a large amount of its potency on the world stage.

Since the petro-dollar system clearly has two components, there are two ways to challenge the system- oil availability and currency.

So the US has led a predicatable campaign around the middle east building hundreds of bases and declaring countries a threat in the order it intends to move in. 9-11, whether real or manufactured (it doesn't matter really) has been used literally everytime in some half-baked justification for why this or that country needs to be moved on. Afghanistan is where they are! Go there! Saddam is a "terrorist" in the middle eastern stage, aided our "attackers", and is stockpiling weapons of terrorism too! Syria harbors terrorists! Pakistan allowed the big man to live there! It happened a decade ago, and it still justifies literally anything they want to do in the mideast, if you draw enough dots on the page.

And trust me, Russia and China are fully wise to this. They have just drawn the line in the sand with Iran and Syria, and said no further. And thus continues the campaign to paint these countries as necessary future invasions, to get the force of Nato behind these campaigns too, althuogh it has clearly proven much harder.

Russia and China have been playing the other side of the equation, waging a silent currency war. They are stockpiling gold and influence in an attempt to create a powerful enough monetary alliance that the middle east has enough confidence to trade oil in Renminbi, or whatever the new currency will be called.

See, no illuminati needed to explain it all! Just follow the money and resources and the game makes sense. Maybe 9-11 was staged and maybe it wasn't, but it was only a rhetorical utterance needed to justify the real intenions, and if not it, than something else would have been invoked. Propaganda knows no want of source material.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying they don't exist. I am certain there are secret societies, and they wield some power. How much power do they have? Anyone's guess or thesis. But I can explain what is going on for the most part in the world without needing to bring them into it. The middle east makes perfect sense to me. The buildup and militarization of internal US and EU agencies is also obvious- a huge financial storm is brewing, and it might get rough on the homefront. Do they have more planned than that? Maybe... but if they do, what is the next move? What do you want people to do with this information? Why spread fear if not to empower?

[Lionheart]

I was never much interested in 9-11 conspiracy stuff because to me it wasn't the important side of the equation.

The super-powers are playing their endgame in the middle east right now, that is obvious to anyone looking on.

The power which the US has controlled since the 70's is, despite not much press to the fact, is the petro-dollar reserve system. The US pledged military "support" to the much of the mideast, in exchange for constant availability of oil, and and the promise that oil will be exchanged for dollars.

This agreement doesn't sound like much, but it is everything. It forces other countries to stockpile dollars if they want to buy oil, these dollars are like any dollars exchanged in the US. We have this thing called the Federal reserve, which can freely print more money as government bonds are sold in exchange. Everytime the Fed prints money, all the dollars that exist depreciate in value, so all the countries which are holding these dollars are having their value taxed away in effect by the Fed. The petrodollar system is the way the US taxes most of the world, and maintains a large amount of its potency on the world stage.

Since the petro-dollar system clearly has two components, there are two ways to challenge the system- oil availability and currency.

So the US has led a predicatable campaign around the middle east building hundreds of bases and declaring countries a threat in the order it intends to move in. 9-11, whether real or manufactured (it doesn't matter really) has been used literally everytime in some half-baked justification for why this or that country needs to be moved on. Afghanistan is where they are! Go there! Saddam is a "terrorist" in the middle eastern stage, aided our "attackers", and is stockpiling weapons of terrorism too! Syria harbors terrorists! Pakistan allowed the big man to live there! It happened a decade ago, and it still justifies literally anything they want to do in the mideast, if you draw enough dots on the page.

And trust me, Russia and China are fully wise to this. They have just drawn the line in the sand with Iran and Syria, and said no further. And thus continues the campaign to paint these countries as necessary future invasions, to get the force of Nato behind these campaigns too, althuogh it has clearly proven much harder.

Russia and China have been playing the other side of the equation, waging a silent currency war. They are stockpiling gold and influence in an attempt to create a powerful enough monetary alliance that the middle east has enough confidence to trade oil in Renminbi, or whatever the new currency will be called.

See, no illuminati needed to explain it all! Just follow the money and resources and the game makes sense. Maybe 9-11 was staged and maybe it wasn't, but it was only a rhetorical utterance needed to justify the real intenions, and if not it, than something else would have been invoked. Propaganda knows no want of source material.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying they don't exist. I am certain there are secret societies, and they wield some power. How much power do they have? Anyone's guess or thesis. But I can explain what is going on for the most part in the world without needing to bring them into it. The middle east makes perfect sense to me. The buildup and militarization of internal US and EU agencies is also obvious- a huge financial storm is brewing, and it might get rough on the homefront. Do they have more planned than that? Maybe... but if they do, what is the next move? What do you want people to do with this information? Why spread fear if not to empower?

...someone's been doing their Homework! 

[Anonymouse]

Oh my, check Libya. I got so ticked when I found out what was happening in there....

I will create a post, with the study I've done about Libya, with recordings of independent media that were there, and so on. It will take me a while, cause almost every thing I've researched is in Spanish, but I'll do it.

Just as a prelude, last month there were around 30-40 french young men (like me, or any of you), who went to Libya to fight against the current "government" that NATO established. I was about to buy an A.K 47 my self and join the "terrorists", cause the story really boils up your blood. Really.

[arkain744]

OK, I can now give a proper view as i had only watched the first half hour when i posted this, So i watched a good hour off it then got EXTREMELY bored and scanned threw it and watched a few sections,

So i came to the conclusion that America is the main cause to all the fighting an killing going on in Syria and Afghanistan and all those other countries that are at war with each other, And that even if american troops are not there themselves doing the killing they have trained troops from other countries to go in and do there dirty work, Obama wants these countries to continue to fight and kill each other to get rid off all there religions, He fuels it.

He wants less people on earth so he can control us all much easier. He wants WW3 to kill off 90% of americans apparently...

And its so true! Ask yourself why are there american troops in these other countries killing innocent people ? Bombing them etc, Why are they even there in the first place.. This isn't americas war, Its between these other countries so let them sort it out themselves...  You don't see russian troops over here in our countries killing people saying 'oh we are helping to keep the peace' They are not helping at all! But that is there plan in the end anyway.

And like the one bloke says he went around to all these countries and asked people why are they fighting and what do they want? And they all said the same thing, "we just want the killing to stop" we want the people in the black hoods to stop shooting innocent people, And they are being sent in to do so by american troops.

I can see WW3 happening, Obama will send a few big bombs in and it will be on like donkey kong.

Yea, we're the war people for sure and it's sad. Just do a wikipedia search for all the wars we've been in since the US was founded. It's over 25+ pages long. We really need to show that peace is strength, not saber rattling.