'SIRIUS' The Movie

[Lionheart]

I am sort of taken aback that in order to see this documentary online I need to pay 10$ USD- that is almost double what a cinema charges for a hollywood flick.

I will watch it on youtube when it is up, haha.

I agree 100% with you Stillwater. If they really wanted EVERYONE to see it, they would have either made it totally free or at a price of a $2.00 or so.

I will also wait for the youtube version.

I understand it takes quite a bit of money to make a Documentary, but this info needs to be seen by EVERYONE.

Otherwise it comes across like some kind of giant Marketing scheme.  That in itself would even further destroy any future talk on ET's and new forms of Energy as a sensible subject.

[Astralzombie]

Is there any specific info in Greer that makes people doubt him? I thought he was a stand-up dude. I never get too excited over DNA tests because people can cast doubt on that as well so you never know what to believe.

It's a shame that they are charging people the ten bucks. Most likely, it's the same people that donated to the movie and did their share of promoting through word of mouth. No free rides these days.

[Stillwater]

Is there any specific info in Greer that makes people doubt him?

For me it is his thing where he leads people into the desert and has them stare at aircraft lights for hours, tells them they saw ufo's and that they are now "earth ambassadors", and then charges them hundreds of dollars, lol.

Also he tends to make huge claims and employs suspense building techniques (disclosure is coming this year I am REALLY certain; I have a free energy device, and I am going to release it IN MONTHS; I am in talks with a g7 country's government about IMMEDIATE disclosure [these are all past claims]), and nothing ever comes of it. Been at it since late 90's, lol.

But despite my distate for Greer, he does have a tendancy to gather people around him who have pretty credible information- so to me he is a sort of accidental enabler, lol- hence why his material is still interesting to me even if he isn't.

[Wi11iam]

Info on Greer:

http://swallowingthecamel.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/wednesday-weirdness-roundup-steven-greers-alien-lots-of-other-fake-dead-aliens/

Excerpt:

You would think the Atacama humanoid results would be big, big news in the world of ufology, but skepticism and disinterest remain high. I'm guessing this is partly because of Greer's track record, partly because he won't even release the names of these world-renowned scientists, and partly because we've been through all this before.

Having read the Blog I see that the name was "Dr. Reed" who claimed to have shot and thought he had killed an Alien which he stuck in his freezer and which wasn't as dead as he had thought...and eventually 'government agents' took away...*sigh* - what so many charlatans will do for a buck at the expense of the gullible believers.

[Szaxx]

Greer, a bitter taste
Profit, he'll embrace,
New energy, is it disgraced?
Greer a bitter taste.

Sums it up for me,
Im with Stillwater.

[Bedeekin]

I'm very dubious about Greer... but.. Here's the full documentary. Just been released. Enjoy.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/134778/Sirius_Movie_Full_Documentary/

[Stillwater]

Went ahead and watched Bedeekin's link.

The film was a sort of biography of Greer himself, lol... narratated by a comicly over-acted voice I can only call "Texas Pete, Wild-West-Truth-Seeker" (imagine Johnny Cash acting in a spaghetti western):



"Not too many people even know or need a dead man's switch. One of those people... is Steven Greer"



The physical tagline for the film, the "alien candidate body", was in the very words of the researchers, IN THE FILM, admitted to be pretty much human in genetic makeup, with only a small number of mutations. To me, it says it is with near certainty a person with congenital deformities.

At the very least, I appreciate that Greer and his people have been honest enough to present the real analysis of the researchers, even if they do sort of put it away to the side someplace, and make the entity the star of the documentary, only stating at the very end it is most definitely something human. At least they said it at all.

This is from the released conclusions of the Standford researchers (I highlight what I feel is most relavent in red, but I present all of it for necessary context):

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specimen_GPN-Summary.pdf

Chile Specimen

Report and Summary by Dr. Garry Nolan
There is a need to bring modern biomedical, transparent and verifiable analysis to a
variety of arenas. In the Fall of 2012 a biomedical analysis was initiated of a
mummified specimen claimed to have originated in the Atacama Desert of Chile, South
America. High resolution photographic, X-Ray and Computed Tomography evidence
was taken, along with purification of DNA for whole genome sequence (WGS).
The first stage of the study involved analysis by medical experts specializing in pediatric
growth abnormalities, with primary expertise in the genetics of bone disorders. The
objective of these initial studies was to rule out, or in, previously known syndromes or
rare disorders that could explain the symptoms observed in the specimen. A second
consideration was to determine the "age at time of death"—given that its size would
suggest that the specimen was a pre-term fetus, stillborn, or a deformed post-natal
child. A third, but important, consideration was to determine if the specimen was a nonhuman
hominid such as a South American primate.

Morphologic features include that the specimen has only 10 ribs, mild mid face
hypoplasia, and shows abnormalities of the skull. The observed abnormalities do not
fall into any standard or rare classification of known human pediatric disorders. As
represented by a specialist in pediatric human bone and growth disorders (see attached
report), the 6 inch specimen is a human that was likely 6-8 years of age at the time of
death (age based on epiphyseal plate X-Ray density standards). X-Ray imaging and
CT scan results confirmed the specimen is biological and is not a non-human primate.
The specimen was concluded by the medical specialist to be a human child with an
apparently severe form of dwarfism and other anomalies.

To further investigate the specimen, and to determine possible genetic drivers of its
observed morphology, tissue from the specimen was subjected to whole genome
sequencing. 3 milligrams of tissue was used to prepare 12.5 micrograms of purified
genomic DNA. The DNA was of high quality, showing little to no serious degradation.
DNA was subjected to Illumina library preparation and sequencing on Illumina Miseq
(PE250x2), Genome Analyzer IIX (SR36x1), and Hiseq 2000 PE100x2) sequencing
platforms according to manufacturer's protocols.

Over 560 million paired end sequence reads passed automated quality control filters
and provided an estimate 19.6X coverage for the whole genome. Approximately 509
million (~91%) reads were mapped to the human reference genome hg19 (providing a
17.7 fold coverage of the genome). The presence of ~9% "unmatched" DNA should not
be interpreted to represent anything unusual about the specimen itself. Reasons for the
lack of match can include artefacts generated during library preparation, low quality
reads from the instrument, or insufficient data to allow computational alignment against
the human reference standard. Further, since this sample is likely to be at the least a
few decade olds, and possibly older, DNA degradation resulting in apparently "false"
mutations can occur. For instance, degradation of cytosine (C) via deamination to uracil
(U) would result in false interpretation of a C residue as thymidine (T) and a resulting
guanine (G) misread as adenine (A) on the opposite strand.

Reconstruction of the mitochondrial DNA sequence and analysis shows an allele
frequency consistent with a B2 haplotype group found on the west coast of South
America, supporting the claimed origination of the specimen from the Atacama Desert
region of Chile. Sequence analysis definitively rules out the specimen as an example of
a New World primate.

Preliminary results demonstrate no statistically relevant alterations of genes encoding
proteins commonly associated with known genes for primordial dwarfism or other forms
of dwarfism. Therefore, if there is a genetic basis for the symptoms observed in the
specimen the casual mutation(s) are not apparent at this level of resolution and at this
stage of the analysis. As the current list of human disorders is far from complete and
many human disorders are polygenic, there might remain to be found a combination of
mutations working in concert that lead to the observed defect(s).

Next steps: This preliminary report demonstrates how currently available biomedical
technologies can be readily applied to the analysis of archeologically and
anthropologically relevant human specimens with genetic disorders of unknown origin.
This report is not a formal conclusion on the nature of the mutations or the underlying
cause of the disorder in this human specimen. Currently the data represents
(conservatively) a 15 fold whole genome reading and as such is insufficient for definitive
conclusions. Future plans include continued study of this specimen to establish up to a
50 fold WHS read that could point to targeted sequencing of hypothetical causal
mutations. Comparison of the observed sequence variations against recently
developed ethnically focused genome databases is planned. Full analysis of the DNA,
and attempts to link genetics to morphology, will eventually follow in an appropriately
peer-reviewed article in an accredited scientific journal. The results will be
independently verified before publication.

I continue to be interested in the free-energy devices like the ones shown in the film, however, because I think there is real potential they are legitimate. It is very easy to see why patent agencies would be motivated to supress anything which would instantly re-align the balance of power in the world. Maybe they are real, maybe they are not. But my worldview has not excluded them.

[Volgerle]

I have a little more positive view of Greer although I understand the scepticism. Still, I think we (as humankind) need anti-mainstream mavericks, out-of-the-box-thinkers and boosters like him or e.g. Daneken in the field of archeology, despite the controversy. I feel that these people and those who "follow" or at least listen to them can help make progress.

Haven't watched the movie yet. From what I've seen so far the little fellow looks quite alien to me and not a kind of congenitally deformed human/animal (ape). But let's see.

[LPC]

Bedeekin: your link no longer works, I'm afraid. Volgerle: I quite agree with you, and even more with your assessment on page 1 of this thread. Most people are too hard-wired with scepticism, or else obsessed with alien "invaders" as per computer games or science fiction films. A pity, indeed.

[Bedeekin]

Thanks for letting me know. I haven't watched it but have it buffered in another window.

The little body is human. That much I can tell from the stuff already been put out on the internet. A tiny little embryonic mummy with a compressed fontanelle.

[Volgerle]

not too convincing indeed, although one should bear in mind that scientists are normally always cautious in their assessments, if it's human then it seems they used it as a marketing trick to attract audience 

[Stillwater]

It has at the very least 91% human DNA, and as mentioned, the rest can be accounted for by decay if this is an old specimen, which it probably is.

It only still works for you if you think humans were engineered from alien DNA, which these tests are incapable of disproving anyhow. The entity shares human DNA with the specific part of South America it was found in too, so provided the tests aren't lies, there is no doubt in my mind this is a human.

[Lionheart]

 Last night Steven Greer and the Doctor they had hired to look at that specimen were both on Coast to Coast AM.

The Doctor stated that he had gone into this with a view that it was definitely a Human with some kind of abnormality or defect. Steven stated that that was why this Doctor was chosen. He wanted someone who was skeptical.

But, when the conversation got too deep and one sided on the Documentary being based solely on that finding, he said that the EBE was only a small portion of the Documentary.

My feeling was it was the hook at the end of the line. The one thing that got most people's angst up to watch it.

I have respect for Mr Greer simply due to the fact that he has based the last 15 years of his life on this venture or path. That takes true passion.

You can find a number of videos these days on free energy and free energy devises.

But, You really have to give credit to Mr. Greer though for all the hard work he has put in.

Even you people that think he is a complete "fraud" could and should respect that!

[Wi11iam]

Last night Steven Greer and the Doctor they had hired to look at that specimen were both on Coast to Coast AM.

The Doctor stated that he had gone into this with a view that it was definitely a Human with some kind of abnormality or defect. Steven stated that that was why this Doctor was chosen. He wanted someone who was skeptical.

But, when the conversation got too deep and one sided on the Documentary being based solely on that finding, he said that the EBE was only a small portion of the Documentary.

My feeling was it was the hook at the end of the line. The one thing that got most people's angst up to watch it.

I have respect for Mr Greer simply due to the fact that he has based the last 15 years of his life on this venture or path. That takes true passion.

You can find a number of videos these days on free energy and free energy devises.

But, You really have to give credit to Mr. Greer though for all the hard work he has put in.

Even you people that think he is a complete "fraud" could and should respect that!

It is interesting that you would encourage respect and credit to anyone who might have spent a significant number of years involved in fraudulent enterprise, simply because that is their passion and they worked hard at it.

[Lionheart]

It is interesting that you would encourage respect and credit to anyone who might have spent a significant number of years involved in fraudulent enterprise, simply because that is their passion and they worked hard at it.

Yep, I guess that's the kind of person I am! 

It's better than cutting down and dissecting them without knowing or trying to make other people think that I know, what I am actually talking about! 

It's so easy to sit on the other side of a keyboard and have all the answers. To claim people as Frauds, when you don't know what kind of person that is in the real world.

[Stillwater]

For me, I respect that he has made a lot of fairly credible information available to the public through his disclosure hearings, and that in this documentary he was responsible enough to be willing to bite the bullet and publish that the entity wasn't what he wanted it to be, even if that fact was rather demphasized- among the people I cast in serious doubt, like Wilcock (who appears in the film too, lol), it is fairly unusual to admit that you were wrong.

It sort of changed the tone of the documentary though, lol; it was billed as the earth-shaking story of an alien corpse discovered, whereas in retrospect the film was actually the story of finding the corpse was something rather anticlimactic.

Greer should stick with the zero-point energy studies, I think that has a lot more potential than this tabloid stuff.

I still think a lot of his methods and claims are seriously questionable.

[Wi11iam]

Yep, I guess that's the kind of person I am! 

It's better than cutting down and dissecting them without knowing or trying to make other people think that I know, what I am actually talking about! 

It's so easy to sit on the other side of a keyboard and have all the answers. To claim people as Frauds, when you don't know what kind of person that is in the real world.

Not sure anyone here has actually claimed him as a fraud.  I may have missed it though. 

[Volgerle]

It only still works for you if you think humans were engineered from alien DNA, which these tests are incapable of disproving anyhow.

this is the alien progenitors theory anyway, so it might still be a human hybrid, such as that skull dude, just speculating of course 
who knows.

I agree with Lionheart, Greer is not a fraud, he is an idealist and enthusiast, the claim that he's just in it for the money is silly in my eyes.

[Volgerle]

the link of the movie does not work anymore, taken down supposedly ... anyone a new one ?
(greer's not in for the money so he won't mind us watching it for free ...  )

[Wi11iam]

[Astralzombie]

The movie is still there. There is a list on the right side that says "[New] Sirius The Movie". Click on that and there is an embedded youtube copy.

[Volgerle]

Still haven't seen the video yet, but this interview 2 days ago. I recommend it because it highlights another finding which has been a little subdued here in this thread by only looking at the genetics report. To be fair, we should mention it since it is highly important and changes the overall assessment considerable. At least it balances the scales between "human" on one and "ET" on the other side again to the middle, imv.

The relevant part starts at 25 minutes (I bookmarked it here) and it is the geneticist, Dr. Nolan himself, who did the genetic testing on an interview together with Dr Greer on Coast2Coast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkI-4lhy1KI#t=25m

Dr Nolan himself (!) admits that there is an unsolved "paradox" sofar. It is about the bone density which according to another leading expert in this field reveals that the being must have been about 6 years old already, without any doubt. Which "human" child then is as little as a fetus? Any genetic or e.g. hormonal dwarfism does not result in children that are THAT small as this one. Dr. Nolan himself says it's a paradox. A walking fetus with 6 years of age does not exist.  

I think the "human" assumption is his reasonable working hypothesis which is of course justifiable from any scientific viewpoint. However, the case is far from being settled. And we also should remember that the DNA difference between a "human" and an "ape" is only 1 or 2 % (or less). So who tells us that (considering DNA as "universal" for the creation of at least biological life forms) it must be a great difference between us and any (superior?) ET human"oid" race?

Therefore the issue is far from over. One thing is clear: It's neither a deformed/aborted fetus, nor an ape or any more primitive life form. And it might have been walking around for some years. Indeed it is a paradox and an absolute curiosity and unknown phenomenon (so far), which deserves further study - which is beeing done according to the interview.

Personally, I'd go for a human-ET hybrid still.

[Lionheart]

 I saw it Volgerie. I went to Youtube.com and searched for it.

I think it was the third page of videos where I found a "user" that uploaded it for free.

It was kind of funny because it was shut off for being a copyright, right in the middle of the video I was watching.

So, I did another search and found the entire thing.

It wasn't as profound as I thought it would be though. Many of the things were just being rehashed from other things I have already heard.

I think his closing address was the most important part of the whole video. 

[Stillwater]

I think the "human" assumption is his reasonable working hypothesis which is of course justifiable from any scientific viewpoint. However, the case is far from being settled. And we also should remember that the DNA difference between a "human" and an "ape" is only 1 or 2 % (or less). So who tells us that (considering DNA as "universal" for the creation of at least biological life forms) it must be a great difference between us and any (superior?) ET human"oid" race?

I have heard arguments in the past that when we find the first civilization-level aliens out there, they will be remarkably like us, because evolution tends to solve a lot of problems the same way most times, because in some cases there is an optimal solution; things like ADP-cellular energy transfer, the way our proteins code, cell structure, etc are likely to be extremely similar; maybe even things like macro-structure are likely to be the same- they will have lens-based eyes, and four limbs. That argument supports your argument here. But the thing is, why would the entity have gene sequences which are specific to only South America, where it happened to be found? Any number of things could have been responsible for the bone-density too; it could have been another genetic abnormality a fetus had (which is what it still might be), or they could have calcified over time as some woods petrify, if it is extremely old.

I think that the only viable alien hypothesis must involve genetic engineering of an individual in South America, which is a longshot, but who knows.

[Volgerle]

Any number of things could have been responsible for the bone-density too; it could have been another genetic abnormality a fetus had (which is what it still might be), or they could have calcified over time as some woods petrify, if it is extremely old.

That is however what they mentioned too (iirc): there is so far no genetic defect known that does this. No scientific explanation (so far). The bone density shown is typical from growing up the normal way over the years (according to this forensic expert), so it must come about only after years within a living being who grows naturally.
And yes, since it was found in South America it might be an ET-SA-human hybrid from a secred ET-human lab in the Andes maybe?