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Oliver

Hi Dan,

Yeah I think video games are a waste of time, though they are fun to play. I dont play them anymore though, I used to have an N64 but got rid of it caus i never used it. Im just not into video games. However the same can be said for tv. I think tv is a waste of time, except i still watch it.

I think tv gets in the way of spiritual growth, or just other aspects of life. Think about how many hours you spend watching tv a week, what could you be doing instead? (heh, i know i could be doing more homework) But instead of watching tv you could be meditating, or thinking about life, etc.
So im planning on giving tv up entirely now, though i am still watching it but not nearly as much and not everyday.

Well, thats my viewpoint:)

Oliver


andy

Good points and im sure that regardless to what one does for entertainment they can always see it as a waste of time.
I own a p.s2 and keep it for entertainment on the weekends.On long weekends or really cold winter weekends I can sometimes play for four hours in a day and see nothing wrong with it.I suppose its like watching t.v or a couple of movies,two things which I seldomly ever do as I cant handle cheap cheesey crap which makes up for 90% of whats out there in my opinion.
I feel that what ever the vice someone has it is important to cut loose and tune out for awhile.

I personaly like the role type games which requier some brain activity such as breaking codes,locating items or cracking combo locks so that Jill Valintine can waltz through a underground passageway where the undead await her.

Everyone cant be so effiecent and productive all of the time and this I believe is meant to be.So relax and have fun!Thats my take.

Peace!


WalkerInTheWoods

I love playing video games. I prefer games that require atleast a little thought. I think they can be a waste of time, as well as tv. But that does not mean that people should not play them. You do need some time to relax and do something enjoyable. If you play for several hours every day that might be a little excessive and be a waste of time, been there done that. But every now and then when you do not have something else to do, or just need to chill they are good. If you play them and neglect other parts of your life or things that need to be done then yes they are a big waste of time. But they can also be good as well. Some games can improve your thinking and problem solving skills as well as hand/eye cordination. So if you are improving yourself they are not a waste of time, are they? There are many educational tv shows on that you could be watching, so if you are learning is it a waste of time? It really depends on how you are using your time and what you are using your tv/game time for.

P.S. Resident Evil RULES!

Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way.

cainam_nazier

I can think of only one word to describe how I am when it comes to video games.  ADDICTED!!!

I love to play games.  And I actually look at them as some what of a means of personal growth.  I know, I know, how can I say that when a vast majority of people spend countless hours just killing things and pillaging the country side.  However I tend to look at things slightly different.

Games in general tend to make a person re-think thier way of thinking.  He who has the larger gun and the faster reflexes does not always win.  Sadly a good majority of the games out there promote this point of view.  however the are a good number of games that require wits to play.  These games can teach a person a lot.  But there is one thing that no matter what kind of game you play that can be learned.  Ploblem solving.  No matter the game you always hit spots where no matter what you do you can not progress any further.  And because of that you are forced to look at the situation and figure out what you are doing wrong and develope a way around it.  

I personally think that you can also learn a great deal more from games as well.  Want to learn economics? Play one of the Civilization games.  Want to learn about resource management?  Play Age of Empires or Command and Conquer.   Want to learn about the human condition?  Play The Sims.  Want a total revamp of your view on the 1st person shooter?  Play Thief.  I could go on for a long time.

Not to mention the amount of hand/eye work, basic and complex mathmatics, statistical averages, diplomacy, inter-personal reactions, and basic chaos theory that can be learned through the right games.



David Rogalski
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PeacefulWarrior

You know, I never thought of it that way, but Age of Empires and similar strategy games do indeed teach economics, etc.  I remember in Junior High School we would play a game called "Carnival" or something.  You had to build an amusement park and then regulate the amount of workers, food, etc.  It was part of the math program.

Anyway, when it comes to t.v., I don't watch it often at all.  Maybe two hours a week, and usually that's news and occasionally a late night talk show...and that's for the comedy monologues.

Video games, like anything, are very negative when done in excess.  And there are games, usually the ones rated M, which give off a lot of negative energy.  I think for the weekends, or for an hour a day, games can be stimulating.  When I have kids, however, I am going to strictly reglaute how long they play and what kind of games they get their hands on.

-Dan

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We shall not cease from our exploration, and at the end of all our exploring, we shall arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
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cainam_nazier

That is one of the things that I find funny about the world.  There is a large group of people who think that it is the game or movie industries fault for putting out the hings that they do.  That "they" are teaching the kids of the world violance and intolerance.  I however do not see this as the problem.  

Saddly I see the problem being more on the parents side.  They leave thier kids to be brought up in this manner instead of doing thier job and regulating and teaching thier children about what they see.  This is the parents responsablity to guide thier children, to teach them right from wrong, to help them gain understanding and wisdom.  This should not and can not be left to the whole of sociaty to do this for us.

If we do not make sure our children grow to be strong, intelligent, wise, understanding, and honorable then we as parents have failed.  Not sociaty.


David Rogalski
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I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.
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alpha

I dont see them as a waste of time.If you are having fun thats all that matters.Me and my GF both play games.Sometimes I can play for hours everyday for a week straight.

If I have a game that I particully enjoy that is.If I find my self getting sick of it.I will stop playing for awhile.Can be as long as a month.What I do is wipe all thoughts from my mind when I play.So Im always getting something out of it.And tv is ok.I finally got cable back not too long ago.So I was watching alot.

But already starting to get tired of it.Today its just reading for me.And some meditation soon.The games out nowadays are superb.Ive been playing stuntman,crazy taxi 3,and a little luigi's mansion.These were all  rented,and I personally recommend these.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Yay Fallenangel.Resident evil does rule.It went over into my obes'I guess I played it too much.Zombies everywhere.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>








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WalkerInTheWoods

Games seem to help with dreaming. I have had a dream about something close to Resident Evil as well. It got into a loop where these zombies would keep coming into this room I was in. I would shoot them then it would start over again. After a few times it made me think of Resident Evil which made me think of my physical life and brought the dream close to lucidity. The rest of the dream was very vivid and somewhat lucid.

Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way.

andy

Gotta say ive had more dreams about resident evil than you can shake a stick at.It was a  stressful game for me at first and at the time I bought my first p.s I had NOTHING else to do,"yellowknife,huh"(famous last words from a good friend boarding a plane to leave)
At any rate I was fast to realise that tooooo much gaming,7-12 hours on weekends could,no,would influence yours dreams,astral vision ext.
Now while zombies are not cool in dreams in my opinion,motion I think is,an  example being the constant running in silent hill.Often upon trying to sleep or during a dream I would notice a lot of motion.(often a que for me)
Before sleep I seem to sense as if im still playing the game from a motion sense and wondered if playing a game such as ace combat 4 prior to a.p techniques could not inhance the ability to concisously project?

I havent tried it yet cuz ive limited my play time but mabey ill give it a shot this weekend!

Peace!


muzza

mmmmmm resident evil *drools*

that plus silent hill 1 and 2 http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>


-- Muzza

MJ-12


Nerezza

I just finished Silent Hill 2. I'll never walk alone on a foggy day again....

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king.

muzza

I played through SH1 about 4 times but never got too see the Alien ending! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_sad.gif" border=0> I might have to get it out again. I haven't finished SH2 yet but it is a great game...very scary especially at night with the stereo turned right up. I maybe scaring the neighbours too! heheh



-- Muzza

General-Army

If you got nothing else to do, why not pick up your nearest control or pc game and start playing? All you would be doing any way would be sleeping, or watching tv. I usualy play mostly counter strike, tribes 2, and starcraft: brood war for the pc and FF9 and Gta3 for ps2. Im out all during the day, but when nighttime comes, im bored, and have nothing to do, so i just play some video games.

Every man has their fear of dieing, whether it be of pain or not knowing where you are going, however, mine is the family, memories, and good times i leave behind.

PeacefulWarrior

You know, I must admit that games like GTA3 have absolutely NO redeeming qualities and I feel these games are truly horrible for children to play.  I will not support games like that...I mean, I even think 007, and even the new one "Dead to Rights" are ok, but the whole point to GTA3 is to kill cops, support criminals, etc.  

Anyway, has anyone ever played "Halo" for XBox?  It's easily in the top 5 games of all time.  The detail and possibilities in the game are INCREDIBLE.  Check it out...it's worth getting an XBOX for Halo alone, but wait till you see some of the other games that are coming out for it:

Project Ego
Halo II
Brute Force

to name a few.

-DT

fides quaerens intellectum
We shall not cease from our exploration, and at the end of all our exploring, we shall arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
T.S. Elliot
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fides quaerens intellectum

andy

Peacefulwarrior,ya left out the part in GTA3 where you increase your health if ya pick up a prostitute and drive to a secluded area.The car rocks and your health goes up.This in my opinion is going a bit far and my girlfriend  agrees.Its just a bit degrading in my opinion,yet I own the game and occasionaly play(different parts).Had I that knowldge id not had boughten it.

I often wonder why people are so supprised that crime is what it is when you have games or movies that inspier the idea that its cool to comit acts of violence against other people.
And what about porn? Im not against it entierly but do there really need to be mags that have Women in degrading positions,bound and gagged with some hooded slob sticking a broomstick up her rear?
What were these people thinking when they made this stuff?What are the people looking,playing or watching this stuff thinking?

Its definitly desensitising to say the least and should not be in the hands of young people living under thier parents roof.

Thats my take anyways.

Peace!


cainam_nazier

Okay well I agree that GTA 3 has no "educational" value at all.  But it's really fun.  And if you read the packaging it is intended for mature users.  50% of the gaming industry is not makeing games for kids.  They are making games for adults.  

One of the things I like the most about gaming is the idea that you can do what ever you want to.  You can do all the things you can't do in real life.  And my personal opinion is that it is no different than getting into a really good book.  

It is NOT the game or the programmers fault for the way a game is taken by a person.  The idea that "oh he shot that guy because he saw it in a game or movie"  is flawed.  Things like that happen because a person does not know right from wrong.  Because thier parents didn't teach them, they most likely would have done it any way.

Games and just that, GAMES.  And movies are movies.  It's called entertainment.  Not to be taken seriously.

David Rogalski
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I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.
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Ashfo

Heh, same here.

I have to say my favourite a MMORPGS - Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games - and dont let that term confuse you.

Your in a world where magic is real, bards and warriors also exist.. you can choose what to be.
What do you fight? The computer? Hell no. You fight other people, not so-called "AI", but "I". Real intelligence. Real skill. To be good you dont just need quake like reflexes but strategy and a view into the enemies mind..

They're fantastic... I can't play any other game these days.

Oh, and only 1% of players actually "role play" and talk in bad Shakespearen :P

Asfho

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WalkerInTheWoods

Games like GTA are kind of bad in what they are dealing with. But as people have said they are just games and should be taken as such. Many games are NOT for children, such as the GTA just to name one series. Such games on the other hand are good in that they let people vent some frustration and get a little aggression out of their systems. No matter how much we wish to think otherwise, we humans are an aggressive species. Those that learn to deal with their aggression through whatever means, be it video games, sports, or whatever, are much better and less likely to become serial killers than those to let it build up. Of coarse those that endulge in it can become much more aggressive, but video games, sports, etc are not what promote this. The person would find some means to build and endulge in aggression, legally or illegally, either way. But I do think that allowing children to be exposed to such things can influence them, as they are still young and learning. Adults should be able to hand games and if not then the games are of little concern and the actual problem should be focused on. Honestly think about all the people that play such games that remain good lawful citizens.

Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way.

metaphysic

ASHFO,  do you know any good , free MMORPGS?
I have no cerdit card but love multiplayer rpgs.

you want a real fun game? its not for ps2 or x-box.
its real life paintball. real pain, real defeat, and really sweet victory.
anyone here play paint ball?  I'v been covered in wealts for a month (I play ever weekend) and have never had so much fun in my life (besides astral projection). the other day, I "killed" one man, capured another, and singlehandedly (my partner was "dead") took down the rest of the other team. you dont know what you got untill you take a hostage, while haveing no ammo, take his ammo, and defeat his team with his stuff.  fun, fun,a little pain and more fun.  I started with a bunch of pump guns, but now we play with some excessively powerful equment. someone is gonna bleed when we play. I play untill everyone, one by one , gives up for lack of ammo,
they know they cant win, or their on the groung in a painful daze.
some people dont see the logic of playing  with guns that can bust your skin open, but if we dont people dont play to the best of their ability.
the last round of the last game I played, it came down to me and my cousion, we both have 4 or 5 years experence playing, the most of any in my group.
our guns will hurt enough to make you give up at 20 yards. we were in a feild, and one of us broke to the car. the last few shoots took place at the car, me and him about four feet away. both weilding auto guns. He shot me in my face, my head was ringing , and I shot him back.Mind you we were using the car for cover as well. I poped him in the lip. He was out, I was driping blood and paint.  he was on the ground in pain for two munites, I was laughing becouse of the fun I had. his face looked like he had a stroke, half his mouth was paralized and lip swolen about three inches ( we didnt have masks on, just the glasses.the third guy's car was covered in paint, all over. we play with more people, but a few had to leave early (they got hurt).  its kinda pricy to play ( 5-8 cents a shot after you get the guns, masks,extra equment and gas for the guns) the guns and masks cost from $60 to hundreds and hundreds. I drop a couple of hundred bucks a time, at least. you shoot thousands of shots, so it does add up. I play with skill, experence, and I can remote view so I know where there at. I have got some bad wounds, but I hurt everyone more than I get hurt, so I win.  
I dont play at paint ball places eather, I go to the woods around my city.
dont go to parks, you can get fined, your weapons taken, or worse yet ,hurt some little kid.    always wear at least glasses, masks if you can. dont take your mask of in a game - EVER .  


...anyone in the Rockford Illinois / south wissconsion area wana fight my team?  we can do pumps or autos.

metaphysic@rockford.com




WalkerInTheWoods

Always wanted to try paintball. Sounds like fun.

Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way.

Rob


OK first I absolutely love playing games, my all time ultimate favourite being action quake 2 online, might try getting into reaction quake 3 at some point. CS is far too slow, though I haven't played it much, I'm really not sure why everyone jizez so wildly over it....bit slow for me. But about action Q2, it is very graphic, you are playing against other people, aiming at their heads, bandaging when you are shot, reloading when needed etc. In other words getting close to seeming real.

However, I have to say that they do leave a negative mark on you, in that like films they add to the psychological "violence=cool" mindstate, while also disconnecting you from reality. In its lesser form this seems to lead to a kind of blood-lust, people talking about war like it was a good thing, reading far too much of guns'n'ammo, etc. In the most severe cases, I believe it can disconnect you from reality and into the alternative mindstate enough that people start doing such sick things in the real world. Or maybe they will just join the army....speaking of which I was listening to Jeff Renses show I think a while back with some conspiracy theory bloke claiming games like quake, half life CS, solfier of fortune (exceedingly graphic), etc are deliberately put out there to corrupt and modify todays youth, turning them into mad killas http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_evil.gif" border=0> who will then go into the army as grunts. Sounds a bit (or a lot) nuts but he did put up a reasonable argument. I mean, I know that long term use of games impressed them onto the subconscious mind. I try and get to sleep sometimes and all I can see is me bouncing around maps, trusty mp5 in hand, spraying bullets into my enemies. But oooooohhhhh I have had action quake 2 dreams, and I cannot even begin to describe how much fun they were!!!!!!!!!

and they do improve reaction times, hand-eye coordination....
and they are an amazing amount of fun!!!....
...but if I start playing an evening can vanish on me, which I could have been using to do so many more productive and enlightening things. OOoops I got ADSL a few weeks back that certainly didn't help!

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PeacefulWarrior

A waste of time?  Fun?  Pong?

What do you think of when someone says "video games"?  I am just curious.

Personally, I am part of the infamous generation X, if you buy into this classification of "gens".  Anyway, I own the X-Box and enjoy my games.  I think most people are suprised to find out that video games make A LOT MORE money than movies these days.  Also, video games are radicaly changing...many are unbelievable, truly amazing.... 3D enviornments and story lines that take YEARS to create.  There are producers, contracts, etc.  Sony put more into designing the PS2 than it did any other product or line of products.  

Well, probably more than you wanted to know about them.  They are, I must admit, fun...but can also be an INCREDIBLE waste of time.  I think kids suffer because of them...actually, because they need to be regulated.  An hout or two a day is plently, but then look who's talking.  Somedays I play for hours....  think of what the future could be like when true virtual reality kicks in.  Anyone here familiar with William Gibson....scary stuff in a lot of ways.

-Dan

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We shall not cease from our exploration, and at the end of all our exploring, we shall arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
T.S. Elliot
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