Are we Gods??

[Siòn]

I think we are gods in the sense that we are all individual expressions of the One, the Mind, God, Consciousness, or whatever we want to call it. We do create our own reality by what we think and strongly believe is true. That's why I'm into enlightenment now over enlightenment through eons of physical incarnations. All that "God" is is within you now -- wisdom, knowledge, love, prosperity, health, whatever. Believe it and act on it now "as if." Since I've been moving in this direction, my life has changed radically for the better health-wise and financially and wisdom for business. It's only my opinion but I think that "past life" experiences  are a matter of us tapping into the One in whom all human experiences are recorded and tasting a bit of "what's there" through dreams and meditation. Nonetheless, with enlightenment now, I've just junked all of my past beliefs about reincarnation and my limitations. That's when I started finally started making real progress.

Think well! Siòn

[Lost soul]

I believe someone like Hitler has to get throw the lives of everyone he killed and also everyone of their relative.
and the good thing about the after life is YOU the only one who judge you're self.
Hell dose exist but the spirit it's self the one who torture it's self.

it's very hard for a spirit to forgive it's self if it did something very bad
that's why he has to live throw a life time of someone he destroyed in order to forgive it's self and move on.

I also believe if someone suicide if it hurt somebody else he has to see their pain and also has to live his life again maybe in an alternative time line and correct it's mistake.

I also see it that way. there are spirits are living in each one of our bodies at a different time lines.

but each past life also effect it's decisions somehow and makes each time line a unique one. because he planes for it before his life even starts.

so there are many others who are playing my character in many time lines, but also everyone is doing something different. because the past life times for each spirit is different then other because the spirit is also unique.

fate is situation of my character is born with. but decisions is what makes every time line is different.
they say 30 % of our life events is fate and 70 % comes from decisions

At the end the spirit is the only judge of it's self.
and sometimes it's not easy for them at all

I believe the Cosmos has given us our eternal freedom...

I am looking forward to reach enlightenment
 

[Lost soul]

I also believe that you can plan again for you're life event's after you die and change things happened in you're first life events.

i mean for example if i chosen is this life to marry someone. i might also chose to play throw this life again except not getting married with that person this time. in an alternative time line.
just to experience something different.

i believe everything is possible 

[Xanth]

Yes and no. If everyone is a god... then isn't no one a god?

Exactly.  Actually, that's the entire point.  We... "just are".

[Kieran99]

Recently after some searching and thinking i made up some conclusions:

every spirit chose to reincarnate to learn new stuff we all know that.

In the none physical world there is an infinite numbers of realities and dimensions.

every spirit can make - create what ever it want's

what i thought for some times that the physical universe is some sort of school for education new young god's which it's us as spirits

after learning so many things in so many life times we might reach some sort of level or rank that the Buddhists call it "Enlightenment"

which a point i believe the spirit is ready to start it's own universe and even create other new spirits of his own to raise them and teach them the way our god thought us

there are many common theories these days tells us about spirits before living a life in the physical world they make a lot planning and discussions with the who so called elders

the existence of the elders prove that the spirits are different in their ages just like us in the physical
some of us are old spirits and some others are new and young.

it could also prove that God isn't stopping giving birth to new baby spirits all the time 

i begone to imagine that reaching the Enlightenment for a spirit is a level of growing where the spirit can become an adult God and even becoming able to create life and new spirits in it's own new universe

because at that point a spirit learned so far enough to take the responsibilities of taking care it's new children and it's own universe. Just like a man becoming ready to take care his own family and house     


infinite numbers of universes creates even more  infinite numbers of universes and it's been going on like that since ever!.

which it's crazy i know. but if someone has other opinion about the cosmos let me know

None of us really understand how everything started from the beginning. or even if it had a beginning.

it's just my conclusions

But it you embrace the idea that time is an illusion how can you be learning anything or going through a graduation? Surely you already know everything anyway? To me each individual life/experience is akin to the human body. Each of our cells has an exact copy of our DNA. Although each cell(or groups of cells) goes on to form a unique part of the whole each cell is the same in its quality and depth of information. With scientific knowledge you may quantify them cells as being different but they aren't..they are exactly the same! Them individual cells don't know about each of the equally same cells working away at the same time but they are! You could go smaller and say this about individual atoms/quantum particles or bigger and talk about planets or suns, then galaxies..then universes etc.. we may break down or break up but we come to the same thing at the same time         

[Permanently Grounded]

"Are We Gods"

IMHO, NO! Absolutely NOT!

First of all, I find it hard to accept the concept of multiple gods. There is either ONE or there is NONE. I find the concept of God temporarily forgetting about its true nature to be utterly ridiculous. Secondly, if there be a God it (I abhor referring to a possible God as being 'he' or 'she') would have to possess the attributes of being All Powerful, Omnipresent, All Knowing, Loving, Merciful, and Infinite.
In fact if there be a God it would need to possess ALL of the following attributes, as detailed wonderfully by the Islamic tradition in the following list:

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The 99 Names (Attributes) of God (Allah)* according to the tradition of Islam are:

1.Ar Rahman (الرحمن) The All Merciful
2.Ar Rahim (الرحيم) The Most Merciful
3.Al Malik (الملك) The King, The Sovereign
4.Al Quddus (القدوس) The Most Holy
5.As Salam (السلام) Peace and Blessing
6.Al Mu'min (المؤمن) The Guarantor
7.Al Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian, the Preserver
8.Al Aziz (العزيز) The Almighty, the Self Sufficient
9.Al Jabbar (الجبار) The Powerful, the Irresistible
10.Al Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Tremendous
11.Al Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator
12.Al Bari' (البارئ) The Maker
13.Al Musawwir (المصور) The Fashioner of Forms
14.Al Ghaffar (الغفار) The Ever Forgiving
15.Al Qahhar (القهار) The All Compelling Subduer
16.Al Wahhab (الوهاب) The Bestower
17.Ar Razzaq (الرزاق) The Ever Providing
18.Al Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener, the Victory Giver
19.Al Alim (العليم) The All Knowing, the Omniscient
20.Al Qabid (القابض) The Restrainer, the Straightener
21.Al Basit (الباسط) The Expander, the Munificent
22.Al Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser
23.Ar Rafi' (الرافع) The Exalter
24.Al Mu'izz (المعز) The Giver of Honor
25.Al Muzil (المذل) The Giver of Dishonor
26.Al Sami' (السميع) The All Hearing
27.Al Basir (البصير) The All Seeing
28.Al Hakam (الحكم) The Judge, the Arbitrator
29.Al 'Adl (العدل) The Utterly Just
30.Al Latif (اللطيف) The Subtly Kind
31.Al Khabir (الخبير) The All Aware
32.Al Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing, the Indulgent
33.Al 'Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent, the Infinite
34.Al Ghafur (الغفور) The All Forgiving
35.Ash Shakur (الشكور) The Grateful
36.Al Ali (العلي) The Sublimely Exalted
37.Al Kabir (الكبير) The Great
38.Al Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver
39.Al Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher
40.Al Hasib (الحسيب) The Reckoner
41.Al Jalil (الجليل) The Majestic
42.Al Karim (الكريم) The Bountiful, the Generous
43.Ar Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful
44.Al Mujib (المجيب) The Responsive, the Answerer
45.Al Wasi' (الواسع) The Vast, the All Encompassing
46.Al Hakim (الحكيم) The Wise
47.Al Wadud (الودود) The Loving, the Kind One
48.Al Majid (المجيد) The All Glorious
49.Al Ba'ith (الباعث) The Raiser of the Dead
50.Ash Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness
51.Al Haqq (الحق) The Truth, the Real
52.Al Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee, the Dependable
53.Al Qawiyy (القوي) The Strong
54.Al Matin (المتين) The Firm, the Steadfast
55.Al Wali (الولي) The Protecting Friend, Patron, and Helper
56.Al Hamid (الحميد) The All Praiseworthy
57.Al Muhsi (المحصي) The Accounter, the Numberer of All
58.Al Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Producer, Originator, and Initiator of all
59.Al Mu'id (المعيد) The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
60.Al Muhyi (المحيي) The Giver of Life
61.Al Mumit (المميت) The Bringer of Death, the Destroyer
62.Al Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living
63.Al Qayyum (القيوم) The Self Subsisting Sustainer of All
64.Al Wajid (الواجد) The Perceiver, the Finder, the Unfailing
65.Al Majid (الماجد) The Illustrious, the Magnificent
66.Al Wahid (الواحد) The One, the All Inclusive, the Indivisible
67.Al Ahad (الاحد) The Unity, The indivisible
68.As Samad (الصمد) The Long, the Impregnable, the Everlasting
69.Al Qadir (القادر) The All Able
70.Al Muqtadir (المقتدر) The All Determiner, the Dominant
71.Al Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter, He who brings forward
72.Al Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer, He who puts far away
73.Al Awwal (الأول) The First
74.Al Akhir (الآخر) The Last
75.Az Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest; the All Victorious
76.Al Batin (الباطن) The Hidden; the All Encompassing
77.Al Wali (الوالي) The Patron
78.Al Muta'al (المتعالي) The Self Exalted
79.Al Barr (البر) The Most Kind and Righteous
80.At Tawwab (التواب) The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
81.Al Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger
82.Al 'Afuww (العفو) The Pardoner, the Effacer of Sins
83.Ar Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Compassionate, the All Pitying
84.Malik al Mulk (مالك الملك) The Owner of All Sovereignty
85.Dhu al Jalal wa al Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
86.Al Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable, the Requiter
87.Al Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer, the Unifier
88.Al Ghani (الغني) The All Rich, the Independent
89.Al Mughni (المغني) The Enricher, the Emancipator
90.Al Mani' (المانع) The Withholder, the Shielder, the Defender
91.Ad Dharr (الضآر) The Distresser
92.An Nafi' (النافع) The Propitious, the Benefactor
93.An Nur (النور) The Light
94.Al Hadi (الهادي) The Guide
95.Al Badi (البديع) Incomparable, the Originator
96.Al Baqi (الباقي) The Ever Enduring and Immutable
97.Al Warith (الوارث) The Heir, the Inheritor of All
98.Ar Rashid (الرشيد) The Guide, Infallible Teacher, and Knower
99.As Sabur (الصبور) The Patient, the Timeless

NOTE: Allah is the literal translation of the word God and so is not one of his names. The names refer to "characteristics" and "attributes" of God (Allah).

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Last time I checked, no humans possess ANY of the characteristics mentioned on that list. If anything, I would venture say that we humans are more akin to DEMONS! Grubby, self-centered, shallow, materialistic, ignorant D E M O N S with the AUDACITY to ask ourselves whether we are 'gods'.

[Xanth]

Actually, every single human that exists, has existed or will exist has the potential to exude every last characteristic on that list.

As I said in an earlier post, we are god... we are the creators of this reality (and any reality you can experience), and we continue to create it with every breath we take.  If we (every living consciousness which inhabits this reality) were to disappear... so would this reality. 

I think people are too fearful... fearful of religion... fearful of what being a creator of this reality potentially means.  It means that you are fully and completely responsible for your own actions.  Not only that, if you hurt someone, you're only hurting yourself in return.  People don't want to face this fact because it would destroy the concept of individuality... and the ego won't allow that to be known.  Basically, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions... especially not the actions that have formed the kind of world we have right now.  Not that there isn't vast beauty in this world, but there are also horrible atrocities as well.  Putting this responsibility off on some other being makes us feel vindicated. 

There is only one god... Tom Cambell calls it the LCS (Larger Consciousness System), of which you, I and everything we have ever experienced is a small perspective of.  Other people have different names for it... all metaphors.  Some people call it "God", some call it "Allah", some call it something else.  It's all the same.  It's everyone and everything.

Understanding this changes your reality... it changes it COMPLETELY. 

[Permanently Grounded]

Actually, every single human that exists, has existed or will exist has the potential to exude every last characteristic on that list.

Actually, NOT ONE single human that exists, has existed or will exist has ever exhibited a SINGLE ONE of the attributes mentioned on that list. Not O N E. Potential, shmotential. The greatest potential humans have is for wishful-thinking.

It means that you are fully and completely responsible for your own actions

Exactly! And what precisely ARE the collective actions of human beings? Murder, torture, theft, lies, deception, cheating, egocentrism, ignorance and self importance ..to name just a few! A race of venomous snakes with the gall to consider themselves 'potential' gods. Here's MY take on what life on earth represents: the opportunity to LEAVE 'humanity' behind by recognizing the concept for what it truly is .. then subsequently transcending it altogether!! You know that 'hell' all the religions talk about so animatedly? Well, that 'hell' is also known as 'earth' and the demons we read about in all those sacred texts are also known as 'humans'.

If anything, our mission here is to learn how to STOP being human.

[Xanth]

You have a very negative perspective on life and humanity...
I used to look at the world in a very similar way that you do right now.  About 5 - 6 years ago, I would have agreed with every word you said... not anymore.

You see the murder and cheating... I see the Love and beauty.  That doesn't mean the murder and cheating doesn't exist, I just don't focus on them as my primary focus. 

Change your perspective and you change your reality.  YOU are the creator of your reality.  Make use of it and stop being the victim.

Your mission here is to learn to Love. 

[Permanently Grounded]

You have a very negative perspective on life and humanity...
I used to look at the world in a very similar way that you do right now.  About 5 - 6 years ago, I would have agreed with every word you said... not anymore.

You see the murder and cheating... I see the Love and beauty.  That doesn't mean the murder and cheating doesn't exist, I just don't focus on them as my primary focus.  

Change your perspective and you change your reality.  YOU are the creator of your reality.  Make use of it and stop being the victim.

Your mission here is to learn to Love.  

I've learned to love TRUTH (that would be God's attribute number 51 on the list I provided: Al Haqq (الحق) The Truth, the Real) above all else. I see the murder and cheating... you see the love and beauty. We're obviously BOTH right thus far. The human condition certainly fluctuates to both extremes. But the truth, as I see it of course, is that by this very admission of man's polarity between good & bad one accepts the underlying truth that the human race is intrinsically flawed.

And flawed creatures do NOT good gods make, my friend.

PS: that hopey-changey-based theory of "Change your perspective and you change your reality" only works up to a certain point. Sometimes when faced with Reality one must learn instead to surrender & accept. Then again I'm talking about Reality with a capital R.

PS: I just want to clarify I'm NOT pointing fingers at anyone specifically in these forums but rather speaking in overall general terms of what I consider humanity to be. If anything, the people drawn to AP certainly all seem to be quite decent and likeable people. Now count how many participants AP has and then compare that number to how many other people out there prefer playing violent videogames or watching porn or indulging in some other similar self-destructive behavior online instead. MILLIONS! Right now.

[Xanth]

One day you will learn.  One day you'll realize it's not the "TRUTH" you love.

[Szaxx]

Interosculated sociology in context of human negativity has been detected lol.
Look at the simplest of organisms for reference, an amoeba. From a social viewpoint its the ultimate warrior, a terrorist etc. It eats anything viable it comes into contact with. In human terms it is therefore evil...
Now in perspective, its only doing what an amoeba does.
If we utilise excessive bias towards antisocial behavior, most things can be given this label. The referenced amoeba can be assimilated into a menagerie of sociopaths if no respect is paid to the inherent nature of each organism present. In human history so many people were terminated for being incorrectly assessed in this respect, witches, need I say more.   Searching out a reason for  any tenacious nature is the initial requirement or we're sure to mess things up.
How many people live in a country?
How few does it take to disrupt their harmony?
The harmony is ignored, the disruption stays with us for a long time.
Think on this then ask yourself what is statistically correct?, then look at your thoughts on the disruption and how they affect you.
It's very true odds of a million to one is harldy worth bothering with, however ten million to one statistically can affect everyone through social media if it has negative emotional aspects.
This can lead to the hatred of being human. The truth is, its this stirring of emotions that creates the prevarication. Being human socially isn't about disruption, its about caring and coexisting in peace which billions of us actually do. Those few who disrupt are not being human at all. Quite the opposite, they may have some erred impetus, but its an inhuman action. A sociological version of corporate greed if you like.
We as humans are mostly compassionate by nature, its those few bad apples that allow false assumptions on what we really are in essence.
Through time the amoeba evolved into complex organisms. We will do the same. If chasing the dream of our art is the way towards perfection then a few of us must be on the rails to fastrack success towards the ultimate goal.
If it means being in the presence of the source then we are heading where we need to go. The source may be our Utopia, we are a long way from this at present. We can't even get our emotional side to see the true reality of being human. At 10,000,000:1 odds and failing at recognizing the basic truth, we are not even ready to ask the question 'are we gods'.
Looking at the experiential side of being in the physical and that learned from the non physical. You may find more truth if you stop and do the math from the statistics of all the good actually being done versus all the bad.
One bad apple...
Still, there's far more love if you just look without bias.

[soarin12]

In my view we are Gods in the sense that we are made from the 'stuff' of God.  There is a place within us that is pure love and humility.  A few on earth including myself have experienced this in it's fullness.  When in this state you cannot even conceive of harming another.  I'll call this the heaven experience.  Now switch gears to the earth experience. The overwhelming love is gone.  Well, not gone... it comes and goes here and there, but at a much lower strength.  It is a shadow of what it was in the heavens.  Why the dial down?  To present us with the opportunity to choose.  Choosing to serve ourselves at the expense of others is a pretty easy choice when you're not actively feeling the love.  Of course the greed eventually catches up with us and the pain begins.  In time, both the pain of selfishness and the pleasure of the 'God within' shining through and inspiring us on occasion teach us to choose empathy.  People do change.  I see it all the time.  Empathy is contagious.  The end result of our journey is an evolution to an even deeper, wiser, richer love than we started with in the heavens.  We start with the love of innocence and end with the love of experience.  Kind of like comparing a sweet innocent child to an older man who has sacrificed much for his beloved family.

Anyway, this world certainly seems like a hell whole, but we should not loose sight of our purpose here.  The opportunity to choose to show love when selfishness seems to be all over the place is precious and we should value our time on the earth where this polarity exists.  It doesn't seem like the good we do here makes a difference but it does.  A seed planted takes time to grow.

[Lost soul]

Permanently I advise you to watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra9QQ58b7JY

[Nameless]

This has been a much more interesting conversation than I first thought it would be. The replies are really thoughtful and reflect much of my own beliefs. The question brings to my mind the Pango, the worlds's largest living self-cloned organism.

While the original may have been God or the Source, the rest only have the potential.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Although we can create a realm of existance easily, these realms are also controlled by a higher authority. To test this for yourself all you need is hyper clarity and the desire to make a nasty place for (experimental purposes) and see what occurs.

Your entire post was incredible Szaxx; what does this mean? Is there some intelligent monitor of the dreams we create that will come down and lay the ban hammer if disobeyed? I remember people speaking of astral bans in the past actually. Is there really a limit to what we can do? My gut says that consciousness can create anything and that it can go its own way.

I see our units of consciousness as a reduction of the whole, not a new unit. As you expand your perspective you break down the limits that separate you from the whole. One could say that full enlightenment is removing all of the barriers to knowing you are consciousness.

[Szaxx]

Standard dreams are not created directly by oneself and as such are not yet fully understood so I don't think it applies. With better than physical wakefulness and from the 3D void your experience is totally under your control. There was a time I experimented with the 'creativity' and pushed it to its limits. There's nothing you couldn't create. By gaining full awareness and 'annoying' a group of thugs that were already in the scene to give chase, I went out on a limb and was altering the environment immediately in front of me. This gave me a great deal of 'how to do it' whilst aiming to not get caught. I could have easily jumped and started flying but that wasn't the game I was playing. If I got caught they'd have pummelled me until I was turned into soup. This wasn't an option I wanted to take again as it does hurt lol. Running through a wooded area I moved trees around and created bridges to cross rivers. After a while I started to slow down and they didn't. A twist I wasn't expecting. To slow them I created more trees behind me and turned the ground into thick mud. Once clear I was free and woke up.
Those types of experiences were allowed with no interference.  
On another crystal clear experiment I decided to generate a world that was a challenge. In this one poisonous plants, 2 feet long wasps and all sorts of nasties were being generated in a dark and inhospitable environment. I wanted to test my abilities on survival and this assault course would have done the trick. However I was removed from it by unknown forces and told others could visit and that wasn't allowed. I was placed in a beautiful sunny countryside scene with soft grass and trees next to a babbling brook and told to rest here.
I've no idea why I was booted out as I would have collapsed the assault course once finished. This when thinking about it may not have occurred if I failed and this was very likely.
Other times long ago, I have been with a guide or two when visiting some nasty places they were showing me.
Having spent a long time in the Badlands and seeing all sorts of unsavoury things I would have expected some help or have been removed from this place. That never occurred as it was my training ground. At such a young age it looks preposterous, I learned the hard way and what I learned has been extremely helpful.

If the booting out was on my mind I would have accepted it as a manifestation. It wasn't and being told to rest was definitely not what I wanted to achieve that night.
I'm convinced there's more than we accept, astral police? Gimme a break, it's far deeper than that. Every time I get in a position that's at my percieved limits, something pushes me past it and failure isn't an option.

[Lumaza]

If the booting out was on my mind I would have accepted it as a manifestation. It wasn't and being told to rest was definitely not what I wanted to achieve that night.
I'm convinced there's more than we accept, astral police? Gimme a break, it's far deeper than that. Every time I get in a position that's at my percieved limits, something pushes me past it and failure isn't an option.

I agree Szaxx. This always brings me back to my questions about "structure, as in rules" in some of these Otherworlds.
I created a thread based on this titled "Tests, Quests and Challenges. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/tests_quests_and_challenges-t46546.0.html

  A simple forum search on "Astral Police" brings up some great conversations as well, even though the title "Astral Police" is so vague. As you said and I have also found out, it is far deeper then that.
All you can rely on is your own perception of what is, because in the end, that's all you have. 

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Another amazing recollection Szaxx, the clarity of mind to construct realities from the void is where I want to be. I have gone as far as to alter a dream reality in front of my face, transforming concrete to grass, but I struggled to maintain clarity without constant refocus.

If I understand you correctly, the theory seems to be that your deadly jungle environment may not have been a personal reality experience. Perhaps you created something in a malleable reality which is shared by others. I can't really imagine a realistic reason why it would matter in timeless infinity that one corner has a nasty jungle. Even if I created a jungle in the middle of everyone's favorite astral hangout couldn't the location be cloned with a thought?

Can these entities really control our consciousness and what we perceive, even if we wish to not be involved with them? What would have happened if you said, "actually I think I'll go back to my jungle, sorry bud" and just did it?

[Bloodshadow]

In a physical sense were not gods, but we can become God like, but it will take a while to reach. But first we must confirm what is a God, and for me a god creates, heal for the most part, but we do this in months, but a God does it in days. But I'm sure I'm thinking on a small scale, there is a lot more that a God does, and we as humans or as souls have barely scratched the surface. This is just my opinion. I think everyone must find their own way to God status in their on their own journey. I think I found my way to it, but I must test this theory first.

[RobertForsythe]

In a physical sense were not gods, but we can become God like, but it will take a while to reach. But first we must confirm what is a God, and for me a god creates, heal for the most part, but we do this in months, but a God does it in days. But I'm sure I'm thinking on a small scale, there is a lot more that a God does, and we as humans or as souls have barely scratched the surface. This is just my opinion. I think everyone must find their own way to God status in their on their own journey. I think I found my way to it, but I must test this theory first.

How many people have a clear understanding in their own minds of just what they would look like if they actually did get anywhere close to being godlike?

Not very many, I would say.

As a practical consideration it would have to be taken in stages. First one would have to exercise enough self control to know how to get through the day without committing any of the 7 deadly sins, without hurting anyone else, being kind and responsible... like my mom.

Finally one would rise to the level of having basically complete control over one's universe. One would be able to consciously move throughout the Universe at will, perform miracles, walk on water, etc. ... like Padre Pio.

From what I see, not very many people even come close to the earliest steps of ascending to godhood.

Take for example the way people behave in heavy traffic. A very large percentage of drivers succumb to anger over almost nothing. As an experiment a few years ago I started to toot my horn in a short burst when I passed jaywalkers leaning close to my vehicle as I passed by. I am astounded that easily 95% will flip the bird at me as I glance in the rear view mirror. Personally, I have never once in my life ever made such a rude gesture to any other creature on earth, ever... not once. And this is just a very small step in the self discipline arena.

For some reason in large cities very violent gangs form and they go about behaving in borderline DEMONIC fashion. Forget being godlike... they are one baby step away from demon status. Then just spread the net a little wider and list off the criminal behaviors -- aggravated assault, all manner of theft... if you look at the number of people who are shoplifters... I have family that works security and they say this is going on every day, all day long in virtually every retail store in the country.

Then if you look at the number of wife beaters and child abuse... then drug and alcohol abuse... fuhgetabout it....

Almost no one is even trying to be anything close to their God potential. 

Are we gods?

answer; NO, not even close.

Not even 1% of humanity is even trying.

[Bloodshadow]

Again I will say we all have our Journeys to God status, towards the type of god we like to be, in my mind no God should be alike, if we all working to become just one way, it will be like becoming a robot, like most  already are, being bent to someone elses will, or way of thinking, we can be a whole and still be different. unlike the so called god we have now, or the way is depicted in a book, contradicting and judgemental, and jealous. that's definitely not the type of God I want to be there will be punishment for wrong doings but it will not be for an eternity or forever, what kind of heaven would be good without all your loved ones, when half of them burning in a hell forever, not my cup of tea, you will be punished for a time and let to be with your family and loved onesas long as a lesson was learned. anyway i'm going to stop here before I start rambling on.