Hero Dreams

[Lionheart]

 Hero Dreams, yes we have all had one, some of have them constantly. I have them so frequently that I need to question what they are for.
Are they a) Training for Retrievals
             b) An actual Retrieval of sorts
             c) Just another consciously aware Non Physical Realm adventure
             d) Just a Dream (I am leaving this option up for the people that believe LDs and Dreams are just that)
Last night I had another one of these Hero Dreams, but this one was really unique and I would like to share it with you.

Last night I went to bed and found that I had severe Insomnia. I tried counting, emptying my mind, nothing worked. This went on for about 2 hours.

The next thing I know I am in the 3D dark zone. I had no intention on Phasing at all. My first thought was, where am I. I then watched a cartoon Tom (the cat) run by chasing Jerry (the mouse). I thought ok, this might be interesting. Then Tom turned and looked at me and his eyes were glowing white and he had a really evil smile on his face. I immediately said, Oh, no, I'm not going to be stuck in "Cartoon Hell", lol. This immediately sent me back to the darkness, which I usually term "fade to black".

I don't know how long I had lost consciousness for but when I gained it back again, I could see a circle of light ahead of me. As the circle was growing, I could see my bedroom and everything in it. But the circle only got so big, I was experiencing extreme "tunnel vision". I then started to roam around my home, trying to make that circle bigger. It seems like I was actually in a tunnel and my circle was the size of a dinner plate. I didn't stay conscious long here, I don't remember a lot of this part. My view was also in Black and White. I think I remember a bit of color near the end.

The next thing I know I am becoming conscious right in the middle of another scenario. There are two large/hulking men arguing. The argument is getting violent now. One guy pulls out two curved daggers and attacks the other guy. He hits the man in both of his shoulders, then both of his thighs in a lightning fast action. He then turns around and runs away, leaving the man lying in a pool of blood. I am shocked by this scene. A boy then shows up crying, I can see this must be the man's son. Some other people show up as well and help the man back to his "tent". A tent, yes, it seems like this is some kind of Tribal Village or Gypsy camp. The son grabs a rifle/shotgun from the corner of the tent and runs out. I watch as he goes in search for the attacker. Now I can see the layout of the land a bit better as I watch this boy running all over the place searching for the man that attacked his father. After an exhaustive search he returns to his father to tend his wounds. The other villagers have left to do their own tents and I would guess their chores.

Now I want to say that at this point I am viewing this like you would when you watch a movie. I am a simple point of view.

The next day the boy goes out once again searching for his father's attacker. But still can't find him. I see his searching and basically everything that goes on in the day, so I won't bore you will trivial details.

On the third day, the attacker returns. The other villagers see him, but either are ignoring him or are too frightened to approach him. The young boy hears of his return, grabs the gun and goes on the hunt. The boy follows the attacker until he comes around a dead end where he has him cornered. The attacker then yells to the boy "Now you have me, how bad do you want to die". It was more of a shouted question. The boy goes to shoot, the attacker spins around quickly and he has a gun as well now. Both fire ..... (LOOP)

The boy is following the attacker into the dead end where he is cornered. The attacker asks to the boy shouting "Now you have me, how bad do you want to die"? I now enter the scene, push the boy's gun away and wrestle with the attacker. He drops his gun, grabs his Daggers and goes to attack, but I have seen his style before, so I block his attack, grab his hands and turn the Daggers back on him. He falls to the ground ....(LOOP)

This scene keeps LOOPING over and over again. But, I don't want to be in it anymore. I have exhausted almost every solution I could find. But, my ace in the whole is I know what to expect already. I have seen everything occur. So, now I decide I have had enough of this.

 So, the boy is following the attacker into the dead end where he is cornered. The attacker asks to the boy shouting "Now you have me, how bad do you want to die"? The boy goes to shoot, I stop him, the attacker turns around to shoot and he see about 30 guns aimed at him. Since I am the one in command I had previously gone to the Villages while the boy was searching and explained to them what was happening. I said if you don't stand up for yourself now, then he will be back terrorizing you as well. They all agreed and grabbed their guns and followed me. We (just as I had planned) ended up being at the scene and in position exactly when we needed to. When the attacker turned around he saw he was badly out numbers and I asked him  "How bad do you want to die"? He dropped his guns and the Daggers and gave up. The Villagers surrounded him ...

Then  I woke up.

You could look at this in a number of ways. It could simply be just a Dream. It could be that it was to train my ability to become consciously aware and enter the scene. It could be a Retrieval of the boy, the villagers, even the attacker. It could also be just another wonderfully strange NPR experience. The LOOPING is what made me want to share this with you all here. These LOOPING Dreams are some of the most unique and also the most adventurous you can have.

I am putting this in the Dream section because of the title. To me Dream/Projection, they are all the same thing. In this entire night I perceived the NPR from three different viewpoints and I say it all has to do with level of awareness.

During the brief "Cartoon Hell", I was fully consciously aware and it was totally in Technicolor just like a Cartoon world would be. In the tunnel vision seeing my surroundings, I didn't have a lot of awareness and for this everything was foggy and I didn't maintain a lot of this memory. For the last scene I had awoken in my Dream to a shocking scene which immediately spiked my awareness. I didn't enter the scene immediately because I like to get my bearings first on exactly what is happening, plus the attack happened so quickly, I barely had time to react myself.

Thank You listening. I am open for questions.  

             
           

[Stillwater]

I have never experienced the looping situation, but I recall from Monroe's books he went through it. He went through a battery of tests with a certain entity to see what sort of mind he had and if he was compatible with certain tasks.  I believe there were times where he was given impromptu situations in the form of replayed life-experiences, and he had to come up with a reaction or response to the situation that was what the testor was looking for; there were a few he had to replay a number of times.

This sounds eerily similar, but I don't know what it means.

[Astralzombie]

I am leaning towards this being a retrieval because the only time I have encountered the "looping" is during one.

So long as I do not give up, I can get as many opportunities as it takes to get it right. Sometimes this means returning a week later.

I have no idea who is being retrieved here. Perhaps it is all parties involved.

However, in more ways than one, retrievals are just another test and fit what stillwater is saying perfectly.

[Szaxx]

I made a couple of posts on lessons from decades ago, the pointless spinning plates one (souly for retrievals, I think). In New Jericho there's another reference made that destroying the entities would be easy but I chose a better path.
You did exactly that in one.
You passed this lesson grasshopper.
You've been tested in a one on one and resolution is only possible by making more characters respond.

Maybe something bigger is coming your way in the retrievals department.
It looks that way to me.

[Lionheart]

 I love that you guys said everything but "It's just a Dream", lol.

I took it as a LOOPING NPR adventurous Retrieval of all, (even myself in a way) that tested the way I handled it, so that I may move on to bigger and better things.

I was waiting for question like "why didn't you just mentally obliterate the attacker"? I did in one of my many LOOPS, lol.

                 or the obvious

"Why didn't you just wake up"?  It wasn't an option. I knew that I had something to do and was going to see it through. Also once the LOOP occurred, there was no "fade to black downtime". It was all right in my face right again. I only had time to react to what was occurring in front of me.

Last night I had another Hero Dream of sorts, but it was a reactionary impulse that created the Hero theme. Here's a very brief description of that one. This was a very long Dream as well and was very emotional. But, I cut it down to just the important points for you. I really don't like typing!  

I become aware of talking to a lady about her Husband who was violently killed by a plane crash the year before. I was involved in that crash as well.

It all started at about 6-7 pm the year before on the same date as today. A storm was approaching, the Tornado sirens went off. The Tornado hit the east side of the city I was in and destroyed everything in it's path.

I was in the city's Airport. Everyone in the terminal was gathered into a stronger structured area, we were awaiting the Tornado. The Tornado went South of us, missing us completely. We all started to walk back to the Departure room in the terminal. We watched as a large plane landed and was now taxiing to the front of the airport. There were 5 business men in suits that I remember because they were talking about how us Northerners knew nothing about Tornados. That annoyed me.

All of a sudden a huge airplane appeared and it was coming down on top of the other plane. The roof of the Terminal was caving in as well. The last thing I remembered I crouched down for impact. The last thought in my mind was SHIELD. I heard the explosion. I had my eyes closed. It was incredibly loud, with screaming, glass shattering, the whole "nine yards". I then realized I was still alive. I stood up and saw that there was a huge Bubble/Shield around the terminal. We could see the devastation all around us, but everyone in the terminal was ok. My last reaction before the impact had indeed created a Shield.

The final tally of the disaster though was bad. Everyone on both planes perished, so did 12 people in and around the airport (including this Lady's husband). The Tornado had created another 10 deaths, but for the amount of damage done to the city, this was amazing. The Tornado had totally destroyed entire neighborhoods, buildings, basically everything in it's path.

Now, I saw the part of talking to the Lady and the entire scene of the plane crash from a 1st person (my own) point of view. But the reminiscing of the Tornado hitting the city and destroying everything in it's path was more of a Daydream vision or mental imaging. At the time, I didn't realize I was in a Dream. It was so real, no LOOPS, no reality checks. Just "finger nail biting" action.

Two back to back nights of some form of a Hero Dream. Also they came at it from two completely different angles. I just wish the Hero could have saved the people on the planes as well. That would have led to entirely different Dream and I'm sure there would be many LOOPS in that as well, lol.

You don't usually get it "right" the first time, at least I know I don't!  

[raditus]

I have had looping dreams before, two that I can exactly remember.

One was a Hero dream of my own, where there was this guy that sought to kill a girl. I had to escort her to this place, but had to stop her death from happening. The guy would ambush us each and every time and kill her. It would repeat in an exact loop. But I would retain all knowledge beforehand. So After like the tenth loop, I had all of this information that ended up me surprising the guy at the end and killing him!

The other was stupid and about some extraterrestrial killing two guys. It was pretty gory and the dream didn't loop until the last gory part, which the alien didn't physically attack them anymore. It had infected them with a deadly toxin of sorts. The dreamed looped the noxious results of their deaths over and over again for six times before I woke up. 

[Stillwater]

One was a Hero dream of my own, where there was this guy that sought to kill a girl. I had to escort her to this place, but had to stop her death from happening. The guy would ambush us each and every time and kill her. It would repeat in an exact loop. But I would retain all knowledge beforehand. So After like the tenth loop, I had all of this information that ended up me surprising the guy at the end and killing him!

LOL. Something tells me that might not have been the intended solution, if there was such a solution.. but then who really knows. This is on the fringe, even for what we do here.

[Astralzombie]

LOL. Something tells me that might not have been the intended solution, if there was such a solution.. but then who really knows. This is on the fringe, even for what we do here.

Yeah, I only get violent when I'm not consciously aware. I could get all Freddy Kreuger up in there.

...but I don't see this as being on the fringe. That's like drawing a line in the sand for yourself and expecting others not to cross it.

[Stillwater]

Well, fringe in the sense that not that many have experienced it here, and that there appears insuffcient information to make a judgement about what it means. Fringe as in... who really knows why it happens?

I am simply pointing out that I think it firmly lies in area that we can explore, but only speculate about.

[psychichoward]

I have these types of dreams all the time. "Hero Dreams" is such a great name for them!

[Astralzombie]

I am simply pointing out that I think it firmly lies in area that we can explore, but only speculate about.

There is a group at TMI that bring "back" details with them and then verify them in the historical records as much as possible.

They have had some incredible hits.

[Stillwater]

Yes but that is a property of projections in general- that they are capable of gathering verifiable information about some state of the physical world. What I am referring to as fringe is the mechanic- the exercise of repeating a certain experience to gain insight from it. No one that I can tell has a definitive answer for why that happens or how it came to be so structured. For instance you can have a looping experience where you relive the life of a Victorian person you can later identify by name and place; this doesn't explain who or what caused you to have that experience in the first place.

[Lionheart]

Yes but that is a property of projections in general- that they are capable of gathering verifiable information about some state of the physical world. What I am referring to as fringe is the mechanic- the exercise of repeating a certain experience to gain insight from it. No one that I can tell has a definitive answer for why that happens or how it came to be so structured. For instance you can have a looping experience where you relive the life of a Victorian person you can later identify by name and place; this doesn't explain who or what caused you to have that experience in the first place.

I would say you did, simply because you needed to. At that time when you were experiencing the looping phenomenon there was something important that you needed to see, do or learn. Even reliving a Victorian existence could have valuable lessons. It may shown you a past life for instance and the reason that you chose to reincarnate again in this period.

...and no, that isn't a "definitive" answer, just my personal opinion. But, I do know (through my own experiences), that once the "looping" has begun, it will not stop until you have seen, done or learned what you needed to.

[Mark Alexander]

Now, this is an interesting thread.  Too bad I didn't see it sooner. 

I've also dealt with similar situations in dreams or conscious astral projections.  My regular dream cycles feature these types of experiences fairly regularly, in fact.  (perhaps because I've played too much D&D and video games in my life     )

A lot of these types of 'hero dreams', for me, involve at least a semi-lucid state of being that I access in order to fully activate my super powers.  Looping is something I've done fairly regularly, though in my case it's usually done consciously when I want to 'redo' a dream scene with better results.  Another interesting thing to do in this sort of dream is to create an 'avatar' that interacts with the dream inhabitants while the conscious 'me' is watching from 3rd person.  One fun experience I had was like this: After traveling through a bizarre geometric world of historical architecture and progressively less physical geometries, I found myself in a constructed level of reality inhabited by a type of non-physical 'overseer' group of entities who were quite controlling.  I did not appear here in person, but rather created and controlled an entire family of characters that were loosely based on the Simpsons cartoons.  Gradually, the controller entities managed to trap or kill all of the family members, which allowed the non-present 'me' the time to tap into and steal an important non-physical 'file' of information that the entities were guarding.

Some of the more vivid dreams like this do feel like retrievals,though like all things of this matter, it's tough to tell what the ultimate reality of it all is.  Nothing is really absolute; so what is a soul retrieval on one level may just be a training session when viewed from a higher perspective. 

[Szaxx]

This 3rd person perspective is something I've not come across in retrievals. It wouldn't appear to be useful, if you have your awareness and reacting in the first person, what is the point in the third?
It's easy to get a perspective of view from anywhere in an instant if you need to find someone hiding for instance. Or is this the reference used?
To do one in the third person wouldn't be as exciting surely. It appears too limited.
Am I missing something here?

[Astralzombie]

Am I missing something here?

No, I think I was. Still was talking about "looping" in specific while I was talking about retrievals in general.

[Szaxx]

Looping, the learning system in actuality. It's been a very long time since I had anything loop. The most strange was a false awakening.
Its as if you are set up to see a scene and observe. Then the answer, when found, has some profound teaching attached to it.
They alter your immediate reaction to one where 'look before you leap' has an importance.

[Stillwater]

Still was talking about "looping" in specific while I was talking about retrievals in general.

Don't mind me, I tend to contemplate angels dancing on pin-heads a bit too closely, lol.

[Lionheart]

  Looping is something I've done fairly regularly, though in my case it's usually done consciously when I want to 'redo' a dream scene with better results.  Another interesting thing to do in this sort of dream is to create an 'avatar' that interacts with the dream inhabitants while the conscious 'me' is watching from 3rd person.
 
Some of the more vivid dreams like this do feel like retrievals,though like all things of this matter, it's tough to tell what the ultimate reality of it all is.  Nothing is really absolute; so what is a soul retrieval on one level may just be a training session when viewed from a higher perspective. 

I have many Dreams where I am initiating the "Loop" myself as well. These are Dreams that I become consciously aware in, (usually near the end of the Dream), but don't like the outcome of. I label this as "Re-scripting". Because that is basically what's happening.
Then I have the other kind which is not initiated by me (knowingly), whereas the "loop" is initiated and can't be broken until whatever lesson is learned or sight is seen.
Both of them could be seen as Retrieval scenarios, but the one that is initiated unconsciously usually fits the "bill' of a Hero Dream.
That creation of an Avatar almost sounds like you are creating a "servitude" of sorts to do your bidding.

I think the label being trained to do Retrievals would be more of an accurate description. But as you said, there is no absolute, only "gut feelings" or the sense of "knowing" why this occurring.

This leads into one of the strangest topics and I would label this the "download". Possibly this is the next learning curve. I am perplexed by this one. This is when you awaken for real at night with the feeling that you were just given a ton of information just like a "download" on a computer. But, you haven't the foggiest clue on what that info is. The only thing I can figure out is that it is given to your subconscious, but sooner or later will be used by your conscious "being" or self. 
One night while awaking during or after this, I could swear I saw some kind of "Binary Code" or strange code, period, that was left as a afterthought. The symbols/code, didn't mean anything at all to my rational mind. I would love to hear other people's thoughts on this. I have a feeling this might be a bit more common than we think and might come under the heading of "taboo'. But, I can't rationalize it myself, so I am sharing it with you guys, says the crazy man, lol! 

[Szaxx]

It's you being on the receiving end of an imprint. I've only recieved a few to questions whilst in the void and the info is immense. It's such a pity our meat based minds can't keep it all. The symbolism is clever as triggers are prominent when the info is required. The main problem lies in the way it seems to function. It has the same characteristic as waking from a dream.
In the NP I can't count the number of imprints I splashed out.

[soarin12]

I've had the 'download' thing quite a few times.  For me,though, it feels like I am on the receiving end of a very long lecture where I'm gaining a ton of info. and insight.  Too bad I can't remember any of it.

As for the looping, I've experienced that just once about a month ago.  I was flying through rooms of a house and then the same room kept looping over and over.  Basically, I couldn't get out of the room because it kept repeating.  Once I realized I was stuck, I stopped flying, stood still in the middle of the room, and said,"What now?"  Then a large, threatening looking man came over to me and grabbed my arm.  I tried to pull away but he held on tight and jerked my arm a little.  I shoved back, and he shoved harder.  Each time I made an aggressive move he countered it with the same, only he was stronger than me.  Obviously fighting wasn't working so I held still for a moment.  When I held still, he held still--but he still didn't take his arm off me.  Then I prayed for help.  After about 5 seconds of that, he removed his arm from me and slumped in a more humble stance.  Then he walked away.

In this case, I felt it was a simple test to show me aggression was not the answer. 

[Lionheart]

I've had the 'download' thing quite a few times.  For me,though, it feels like I am on the receiving end of a very long lecture where I'm gaining a ton of info. and insight.  Too bad I can't remember any of it.


In this case, I felt it was a simple test to show me aggression was not the answer. 

I think we do remember what we were told, but only when the time is right!   

I believe we are being taught to use our minds, not our might! 

[Lumaza]

 I am resurrecting this old thread that I created using my former name here "Lionheart". As you can see, it's now the year 2020 and my "Hero Dreams" still continue.

Another night, another Hero Dream. This one though had so many weird things in it, like a sense of knowing things, even though there was no mention of them, multiple Dream triggers, going in and out of 3rd person view and 1st person view and lastly being in a different body from what I am today.

I become aware I am in school. All of a sudden the fire alarm. An announcement comes over the PA system that there is a active bomb threat. There is all kinds of havoc here, from people screaming and crying to basically stampeding to get out of the school. (cut scene).

Now I am outside in the schoolyard. We are told that the threat isn't for our school. Instead, it is down the block from us. But, it's close enough for them to have to alert us. (cut scene). All that time I was in 1st person view.

Now I see the actual chaos at the bomb scene. I see the bomb squad around a Van, then a boy walks up to the Police and the Police move out of his way and allow the boy through. Back to 1st person view. That "boy" was me. I am now surveying the situation. I can see through the Van's door (x-ray vision) and there looks to be some kind of device in there. It is not Dynamite or C-4. It seems to be just a silver sphere that is hooked up to the door.

All of a sudden I here a "whoosh" and see this boy flying. he lands right near me and seems to know me. I don't know him at all. He reaches out and puts his hand right through the Van door and grabs the device. It is still active though.

I notice we are at a mall of sorts. Not inside of it though. He calls me to come with him. he doesn't do it verbally though. This is a telepathic message. We go to the wall and seem to be using bodies to block the blast from everyone around us. But the strangest thing is, people are coming out of the mall. We tell them to go back in the mall, but they ignore us. If anything they are annoyed by the inconvenience that we seem to be to them!  

The guy that is with me senses this isn't going to work, so he puts the device back into the Van and once again calls to me telepathically to help him lift the Van to bring it to a area that is safe against the oncoming explosion. I go to him and off we go. This is where it gets weird again because I have a knowing that I have never flown before, but have practiced leaping large distances. Well now, I was actually flying. How I had knew that, I have no clue. Many times in this experience I knew things about myself, yet I was never told or shown anything and at no time did I actually focus or even give a thought to the fact that I was sleeping peacefully and safely in my bed. I just "knew" I was. (cut scene)

Back to 3rd person view. I see the 2 boys flying through the air holding the Van. A few minutes of that and now I am are back to 1st person view again. Now I can see I am flying. The boy sends a message to me saying that he thinks the water is too far away and that we need to ditch the Van now. So, we fly down to what looks like a underground garage. We are flying around the corners with the Van as we go lower and lower into the garage. When we get to the bottom, we put the Van down and haul our butts out of there.

There is huge explosion and the ground buckles in a few places. One of those places is in the road about a block away. We, the boy and I seem to be safely atop of a building watching all of this. I then see a woman with baby carriage fall into the buckled area of the road. Immediately I dive off of the building to fly to help her. I don't think abut it, I just do it. She seems to be plummeting deeper and deeper. I finally get to her and save her and her child. (cut scene). Now I see a bit of the aftermath, but I am back in 3rd person view. (cut scene).

Now I am home, wherever home was and I am talking with I guess she is my girlfriend. She then shows me a video of the boy and my heroism "You have some explaining to do". It seems that she didn't know that I had "abilities". Then I woke up.

So what was so strange there. I became aware in LD, saw I was someone else, had activity left and right in my face, yet I somehow knew things about this person, like for instance that he did have special abilities.
The 3d person view was like watching a movie. The first person view was even more vivid than this actual physical reality of ours is. It was "surreal"!
I knew all along that this was a "Simulation" of some sort. Yet never did I even think of my physical existence here. There was just a strong sense of knowing.
I talked about DT (Dream triggers) above. Like I said there was many of them. The fact that I was someone else. The fact that I knew so much about that person, yet was never told or shown a thing. The fact that I was much younger than I am today, back in school and all of that. The flying. All of the "instinct" that I had and how I acted upon that.

Going back to the "simulation" comparison above. In my "Souly for Retrievals" thread I wrote about finally being invited into the White Cathedral/Hospital like building that I normally saw, only from the outside, in many of my Retrieval experiences. While inside I got to see special rooms they had that that were known as "Simulation rooms". These were rooms that whoever was in them, the "patient" at the time could actually be living there life and "horrors" in. The simulations were so real, you couldn't tell the difference. If anything though, they were even more vivid and very intense. I felt like my Hero scenario above was actually played out in one of those rooms.

I have had all kinds of Dreams that I have become lucid in. The "teaching/lesson" Dreams seem to have a different feel to them then the other normal Dreams do. They seem more intense and in your face. They seem to be "action packed". So much so that you are forced to react without thought, even though I am totally aware at the time. I know that some of you here will understand what I am talking about. It's like our Dreams seem to be "compartmentalized". Like there are different sections of our "subconscious" that certain Dreams are played out. It really got me to thinking about that today. So many questions and so few answers!  



 

[LightBeam]

I've had vivid dreams with semi awareness that are usually packed with action. The coolest one was with the Avengers that I posted here not too long ago. I don't remember any being from a third person perspective. One time I actually was walking on a busy town street and I saw my reflection in one of the store glass walls. I was a young black girl, but at the same time I thought I was me, my character. That was quite of a shock to think that you are someone and then see your reflection as a completely different body. At that time I gained awareness and I had the knowing that this was one of my other lives. I was in her body. These type of dreams don't happen often though for me.

According to the receptiveness and the nature of your dreams, it looks like you have a very focused mission of search and rescue. The multiverse definitely need more characters like you

[Lumaza]

I've had vivid dreams with semi awareness that are usually packed with action. The coolest one was with the Avengers that I posted here not too long ago. I don't remember any being from a third person perspective.

I remember your Avenger scenario. That one sounded really cool! 

According to the receptiveness and the nature of your dreams, it looks like you have a very focused mission of search and rescue. The multiverse definitely need more characters like you

I would say that the jumping between 3rd person and 1st person views could be one of either two things or maybe it could be both. The awareness could be waning when a jump is made to 3rd person view and the reboot of the awareness comes courtesy of the 1st person view or it could be that this is made "memorable" like this so that I would retain the vivid recall of the experience. Either way, it did indeed catch my attention. But like I said, it's not the first time this has happened. It's the added "backstory" to the equation that really makes it unique!