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« on: January 30, 2006, 12:32:40 »

Hello,

I address to you because I'd like to know  about the parapsychology and paraphysical implications of this disease. (Causes, possible solutions, effects... )

You can be as extensive as you like.

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 22:42:24 »

Check this out:

http://www.schizophrenia.com/
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 22:42:24 »

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2006, 08:06:24 »

There are no limits, there is no real defenition for this or any other similar mental illnesses, it is simply a collection of many different types of mental illness.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 23:00:10 »

Check out my post in the "Hawaiian Ho'oponopono Healing - Basic How To". It expains how mentally ill criminals were healed with that method.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 17:27:20 »

the way of the mystic has to possible outcomes: glory or psychosis/schizophrenia. If the light shines upon your path then you have nothing to worry about. but if you are full of regret, guilt, madness, etc then you will probably have a very hard time like i did. the most important thing you must remember is you cannot fall in to believing your own lies; it leads to schizophrenic disorders (living in a reality of imagination, with no connection to reality). you cannot let information or words you read or hear change the way you live or do things. You must let yourself change, eh... hope those words help :/   
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 17:29:53 »

oh and the way i got rid of it was by deep thinking and realization. i kept silent towards the "paranormal" things I felt and it led towards insecurity and schizophrenia. the best doctor and spiritual guide is yourself...
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 19:43:24 »

It stems from how you were raised or lack of growing up!

Most have had mental and physical abusive parents, surrogate parents
or foster or siblings, some one close on a regular and ongoing basis!

And no escape, no way out to be seen or found

No other way to cope with all that was happening to them!

No one to help them or explain evil person behaviour or how to deal with it.

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 19:56:19 »

I have to disagree with you Tina, respectfully so.  I had a abusive, disfunctional life up until 11 or so years ago and live very much in the real world.   As a young child I automatically searched for the reason why things were happening to me and tried to learn from it, even if it was due to surviving, but as I got older I of course felt victimized as one should, but there is a time when you can only use that for an excuse.

I think schizophrenia truly is a brain malfunction, that the person cannot help.  There is a difference in being in the victim mentality and having chemical imbalances.  IMO.

P.S.  Welcome to the boards. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 23:37:40 »

Hi,  I'm new here.

Schizophrenia is a word for a very broad illness,  it comes in many fruits and colours.  I had  been diagnosed a schizophrenic for about 10 years,  the mental anguish was extremely difficult to bare and still is sometimes,  but from personal experience i found that instead of thinking theres something wrong with me,  as the doctors told me,  i would embrace my ideas and thoughts and go with them,  they are harmless ideas i must add.  This acceptance of myself,  caused an obvious improvement.  here is an interesting read
http://www.jungcircle.com/roberts2.html    Hope the link works.

This seems like a fantastic web site,  I look forward to learning more. Smiley hehe you even have a spell check
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 00:24:34 »

Hi,  I'm new here.

Schizophrenia is a word for a very broad illness,  it comes in many fruits and colours.  I had  been diagnosed a schizophrenic for about 10 years,  the mental anguish was extremely difficult to bare and still is sometimes,  but from personal experience i found that instead of thinking theres something wrong with me,  as the doctors told me,  i would embrace my ideas and thoughts and go with them,  they are harmless ideas i must add.  This acceptance of myself,  caused an obvious improvement.  here is an interesting read
http://www.jungcircle.com/roberts2.html    Hope the link works.

This seems like a fantastic web site,  I look forward to learning more. Smiley hehe you even have a spell check

Using Greek Mythology as an example has me a bit confused and then talking about shamanic work that will help......   No offense, but how many TRUE shamans do you know?  And I'm not talking about the hollywood kind either. 

Let me get this right.  You are saying that people with schizophrenia are shamans?

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The path is always lonely and demanding for those called to shamanism, and doubly so for those who must contend with Western culture's refusal to accept the overwhelming reality of the disturbing realms of vision and torment in which these potential shamans dwell.

Do you wanna know how this reads to me well, besides the obvious egotism?  "I can't let these people see the real me because the real me is a fake"

I'm confused.  Can you possibly give me some cliff notes on the website, instead of having me do all the reading.  I gather you know the website and just didn't google it out of no where...right?

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2007, 03:41:08 »

I also had a problem with this but for a different reason- it equates schizophrenia with shamanism, and indirectly says that Joseph Campbell said so.  Shamanism in the context of the cultures that used them, is an exploration in an altered state using plant entheogens (drugs) and other mind-altering processes (drumming, fasting, etc.) to facilitate them.  A shaman is taught by his/her culture as to what means what, etc. (Meaning of symbols, for example.)  This is not the same thing as schizophrenia, which has been shown at least in some cases to be a result of 'rewired'  processes in the brain, and drugs are used to suppress these processes- when they work.  This is the absolute opposite of a shaman.  About the only similarity is in the perception of an outside source for the voices/images.
In other words, the shaman takes drugs to get them and can control them by not taking them.  The schizophrenic can't control his objectified perceptions and sometimes needs drugs to stop them.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2007, 12:13:40 »

I apologize for being vague,  I was referring more to the case studies,  I think that medication isn't the be all and end all,  I asked my phyciatrist what does the medicine do,  how does it help me,  He said "we dont actually know" great vote of confidence, I found learning to accept my ideas and thoughts helpful.

the schizophrenic can't control his objectified perceptions and sometimes needs drugs to stop them.

This rings true,  but by making me a zombie in the process is defeating life.  i guess im looking for alternatives

Its interesting to get your thoughts on the other aspect,  shamanism,  I have read about schizophrenia and shamism,  maybe desperately searching for answers for my condition.




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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2007, 18:29:43 »

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Schizophrenia is a mental disorder. It difficult for a person to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses to others, and to behave normally in social situations.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/article/000928.htm

This is an interesting read.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2007, 03:18:33 »

One of the theories in psychotherapy is that schizophrenia is caused by trauma during infancy, including separation from the parents or mother.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2007, 01:22:39 »

Dealing with Negs?
Also: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/voice-hearers/

Mods, please send them here.
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2007, 11:47:11 »

Found this thread late, but there is truth in what Tina said. Recent studies have shown the environmental conditions can drastically increase the likelyhood of schizophrenia developing.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialcare/story/0,,1953959,00.html

Something interesting to note is discoveries over the past few years of brain development in children being led by external stimulus. For example, parts of the brain dealing with communication will shrink if the right kind of stimulus is not experienced as the brain develops, in the most severe cases, children who have been in a  communicative deprived environment until after the age of around 3 will never be able to generate comprehensive sentences. The brain areas needed for it simply failed to grow.
Similarly, it seems that lack of both parent figures can causes areas of the brain which require stimulus from both to not grow correctly, or be stunted. This could partly explain many problems with the current generation of children and behavioral problems - although the crap we consume through food or absorb from our environment in this modern age no doubt has a part to play.

The brain has been found to be a dynamic organ, and even changes in adulthood (neuroplasticity) depending on the stimulus received. Although it does seem that there are certain points after which certain development cannot occur (Such as the language problems).

Please note, not everyone or every child brought up in such conditions will experience schizophrenia, it's a much more complicated issue than that. Although regarding the ability to make cohesive sentences, this does seem to be hardcoded at the age of 3 or so. Even a lifetime of schooling will never correct it (if you are interested, google wild children, and there are a number of cases where children were locked in seclusion by their parents for years who experience it too.)



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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2007, 16:34:05 »

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The thing that amuses me about non scitzophrenia people talking about Scitzophrenia people is that you simply have no idea what your talking about. you just read a thing some doctor wrote and suddenly your qualified,

The thing that amuses me about people who make presumptions is that they make assumptions about people they know nothing about. Many in this thread could fall within the criteria of schizophrenia, they could have family or friends with the condition, or they could actually work with schizophrenic people. Hence they do know what they are talking about.
Iím not taking a dig, just saying you donít know the circumstances of those who post in this thread Ė and no one here is claiming to be qualified in anything.

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its not true!. people with scitzophrenia just think more. why is a white whitch who sees spirits angels deamons and can talk to people telepathecly why are they concidered evolved and spiritually mastered.

look at adrian the boss of the pulse ok he has obe in other worlds other realitys talks to dead folk sees aliens and uses his psychic powers all over life for his life.. many folk from down the pub would call him a scitzo... they be like other realms psychic powers year right.

This isnít exactly a good analogy. People who OBE and experience these things usually have full control, they actively seek these experiences, and they feel comfortable within them. With schizophrenia this isnít usually the case.

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the reason that many suffer with there thoughts are environmental and sencetive souls behave in this way. we are the ones who listen we are the ones who learn. I cant put it more clearly than I have already its not an illness its a sencetivity to the environment. and being a Scitzophrenic im far more qualified to Judge than any doctor. our entire life is in our mind its not brain damage or a lac of anything its an over developed sencetivity to the environment. this can be for many reasons like lonelyness or a bad up bringing but at the end of the day. all of us think. an you should not be coming to a place like the astral pulse if you dont care about the astral and its inhabitants. and if you stimulate your third eye center you do become more clearvoyant and you do see more and you do hear more and guess what thats what its for! to percieve


Scitzophrenia means to listen to every idea in your mind and follow the path.
all the "normal" people belive every influence inside them is them, where as a scitzo decides what they want to be part of them and what they dont want.. its all thought thats all. and the terrors that we see are not as ugly as pure ignorance

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We have to walk a careful line between believing everything is in the mind, and taking onboard rational observations of the reality we all share. There can be no doubt the brain constructs that which we are, as even minor damage to the brain can have profound effects on a persons internal and external worlds. Slight damage to one area can alter a personís behaviour and habits irrevocably. The sheer body of evidence out there which supports this cannot be ignored. What also cannot be ignored is the vast body of evidence which shows the brain grows through stimulation, and various deficits in required stimulation create stunted or deviated growth Ė leading to behaviour and personality changes.
Perhaps outside of the physical the brain is unimportant, but while we are here, it constructs everything we are, and controls our behaviour and personality.

Schizophrenia can be a terrible condition to someone who suffers from it (please note I said Ďcan beí not it is in every case) and I believe we have to be very careful with giving people alternative explanations to their condition.
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2007, 04:35:10 »

The thing that amuses me about non scitzophrenia people talking about Scitzophrenia people is that you simply have no idea what your talking about. you just read a thing some doctor wrote and suddenly your qualified,

I too am schizophrenic, i was diagnosed in 2001. I sometimes think that ppl know everything about mentel illness also, and at times i would get frustrated with ppls comments. a way i got over this is to realize that no one is trying to make you feel inferior. sometimes ppl can actually help. for me i naturally feel that ppl are generally like this, but i feel i need to let my guard down and stop being so defensive.

This isnít exactly a good analogy. People who OBE and experience these things usually have full control, they actively seek these experiences, and they feel comfortable within them. With schizophrenia this isnít usually the case.

For me it was obe and meditation that helped with all of what i been threw. i started taking obe seriously about 3 years ago, and since then i have been able to get off the medication. now i just take an omega 3 supplement and I'm still under doctors supervision. but once i started being consciously aware of obe i was able to cope with reality alot better, it was like i gave myself the time in obe to experience the things that would have otherwise slipped into my everyday life. Its kinda like obe and meditation was exercising the very part of my brain that was causing the imbalance, like it grounded me in a sense. huh

i hope i did the quote thing properly I'm kinda new to forums so still learning grin
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2007, 06:09:24 »

 opps....i messed it up.LMAO tongue  maybe someone could explain how to do the quote?...lol
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2007, 08:45:23 »

Well I dont see how encouraging people to belive they are ill or that they are defective or that there is a vast body of evidence supporting the wrong in there life is helpfull at all.

Hey Nodes,
I definitely donít believe people with this condition are defective in any way shape or form. Normality is just a point on a bell curve Ė itís a fantasy which doesnít exist. Everyone has something which moves them away from the imaginary line of normalcy. People just Ďareí. With conditions such as schizophrenia (Which really is an umbrella term for a large number of symptoms) I think that while some people can help themselves, others might need medical treatment to help them on their way.  So I think itís best to keep all options open. Understanding the cause of some of these symptoms could aid in helping to control some of the more serious ones.

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"you have to be insane to live in this world" and realistically hes right were all nuts if were given a little push in the wrong direction. if you live in a negative situation it scars your mind with memories.
the more and more you try to "Fix" it the more brain cells you sacrefice to the problem.

I can agree with the above.

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and if your brain constucted everything you was why would you need DNA or a Soul. the brain is little more than a hard drive to store information and emit protiens. do you think that when your brain dies there is no more realitys for people. because if there is thats a vast body of information suggesting its just a device for the young and is not responcible for higher thought or conciousness.

This is definitely another topic for discussion. The more I experience personally, the more I am uncertain what of us exactly survives death (thatís if anything actually does).DNA is simply a mechanism to encode traits and predispositions of reactions to certain stimulus, this helps produce a large variety of personality traits, and in a way, helps reinforce the illusion that we are all unique individuals.
As mentioned previously, damage to specific areas of the brain over large numbers of people have shown the exact same symptoms. Such as people acting differently, their personality changing, their ability to act socially responsibly (i.e. not grope random people etc), becoming increasingly violent. And this doesnít even touch on the incapacities. What this shows is that even the most gentle, good natured soul can become a violent predator if his brain has specific damage. This at the very least has to make use question our concepts of souls and spiritual progression through lifetimes. If our brain affects our innate goodness to such an intricate level, what exactly would be left of us when our brain dies and rots away? Directionless, unknowing conscious potential?
Perhaps one day iíll have answers, but for now Iím willing to sit on the fence and see which way the wind blows.

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and although I acknowledge people with seriouse mental illnesses is bad we cant be sure that it was derived from the phisical plane at all .. more over nobody knows whats going on inside there mind.
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I agree with you here too Smiley. The fact that we have so much to learn, and that we know so little, is what at least grounds me in a sometimes sceptical view. Everyone is different though, and has to walk their own path.

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Iím sorry if I cam across a bit strong, i was just finishing up after a stressful day at work, perhaps not the best time to reply to serious posts as this Smiley.
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2007, 08:55:46 »

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I too am schizophrenic, i was diagnosed in 2001. I sometimes think that ppl know everything about mentel illness also, and at times i would get frustrated with ppls comments. a way i got over this is to realize that no one is trying to make you feel inferior. sometimes ppl can actually help. for me i naturally feel that ppl are generally like this, but i feel i need to let my guard down and stop being so defensive.

Hey Canicula,
I think with schizophrenia, a lot of people still donít know much about it, so although some people might mean well, they might come across as offensive. Certainly in these forums, no one would mean anything bad (I hope  grin).

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For me it was obe and meditation that helped with all of what i been threw. i started taking obe seriously about 3 years ago, and since then i have been able to get off the medication. now i just take an omega 3 supplement and I'm still under doctors supervision. but once i started being consciously aware of obe i was able to cope with reality alot better, it was like i gave myself the time in obe to experience the things that would have otherwise slipped into my everyday life. Its kinda like obe and meditation was exercising the very part of my brain that was causing the imbalance, like it grounded me in a sense.

This is fantastic. If Iím honest, if someone stopped medication *and* stopped seeing their doctor Iíd be a bit concerned. But you definitely seem to be on the right path. As much as people can rubbish the current medical system, it can still do some good (I am aware it can still do bad too Smiley Ė with anything, be cautious).
I think the whole OBE phenomenon can help a person become a lot more comfortable with conditions which seem to be out of the norm, it helps give things meaning and can take away a lot of fear.

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I sorted out your quotes, I hope you donít mind Smiley.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2007, 15:02:48 »

hey MIsterJingo,
I agree with you, there is still alot to learn, and i really do think everyone does means well. I also think the medical system can do some good to, it really helped me with the first few years of my illness. i really do feel like I'm on the right path and my doctor supports me 100%.

I think that fear can play a major role with schizophrenia, especially when it comes to voices and delusions. I found that once i started obe alot of my fear was lifted away maybe that is why i have found it easier to cope. smiley

thanks for sorting out my quotes, lol..  i really appreciate it grin
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2007, 23:08:28 »

For me it was obe and meditation that helped with all of what i been threw. i started taking obe seriously about 3 years ago, and since then i have been able to get off the medication. now i just take an omega 3 supplement and I'm still under doctors supervision. but once i started being consciously aware of obe i was able to cope with reality alot better, it was like i gave myself the time in obe to experience the things that would have otherwise slipped into my everyday life. Its kinda like obe and meditation was exercising the very part of my brain that was causing the imbalance, like it grounded me in a sense. huh

Thanks for sharing this.  My son has been treated for schizophrenia for a long time and has done pretty well with the meds.  If he goes off though he gets really paranoid and delusional and dangerous to himself.  I don't think he has ever tried OBE or considered it as an option, but I'm going to show him your post.  He needs some kind of glimmer of hope that there might be some kind of life beyond meds or at least a different dimension to life than what he now knows.  DH
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2007, 23:16:57 »

This is definitely another topic for discussion. The more I experience personally, the more I am uncertain what of us exactly survives death (thatís if anything actually does).DNA is simply a mechanism to encode traits and predispositions of reactions to certain stimulus, this helps produce a large variety of personality traits, and in a way, helps reinforce the illusion that we are all unique individuals.
As mentioned previously, damage to specific areas of the brain over large numbers of people have shown the exact same symptoms. Such as people acting differently, their personality changing, their ability to act socially responsibly (i.e. not grope random people etc), becoming increasingly violent. And this doesnít even touch on the incapacities. What this shows is that even the most gentle, good natured soul can become a violent predator if his brain has specific damage. This at the very least has to make use question our concepts of souls and spiritual progression through lifetimes. If our brain affects our innate goodness to such an intricate level, what exactly would be left of us when our brain dies and rots away? Directionless, unknowing conscious potential?
Perhaps one day iíll have answers, but for now Iím willing to sit on the fence and see which way the wind blows.

This has been something I've been wrestling with for a long time.  I have a friend who is really into Vedanta, and he assures me it's only my own ego worried about its extinction!  I hope he's wrong, but there is the big "I" again.   undecided  DH
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2007, 00:12:53 »

This has been something I've been wrestling with for a long time.  I have a friend who is really into Vedanta, and he assures me it's only my own ego worried about its extinction!  I hope he's wrong, but there is the big "I" again.   undecided  DH


It's something which occupies my mind too. Something which gives me some comfort is that we cannot remember anything prior to birth, and there is not fear in that. At worst, if oblivion occurs, we simply return to that state. Also, the fact that I am (or at least believe I am) alive and conscious now, when at one point it might have been nothing also leaves the possibility I might be aware again one day (without any knowledge of this instances of me of course. But these are the worst case scenarios Smiley.


Some ideas regarding this I sort of believe are:

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I guess non-existence could be likened to unconsciousness with no memory, i.e. undergoing general aesthetic and the hours you were under is less than a second to your conscious awareness as it's not recorded or even experiences of coma patients who have lost years and it seems instantaneous to them. Non-existence could be like this apart from you would never wake up.

Although if there isn't any afterlife it might not be all bad. Something I posted elsewhere:

I reason that if there is oblivion on death (yes I have projected since childhood, and do have some convincing evidence we are more than the physical body - I just can't totally discount all potential theories which have some weight - well until I truly do die   ) and we are the product of a physical brain/genetic pattern, we will live again an infinite number of times. In infinity infinite possibility must be carried out (even within certain strict rules) so the conditions to produce 'you' will be reproduced an infinite number of times. With oblivion there will be no passage of time, so even if vast amounts of time pass between each recreation, it will literally be instant to 'you'. Another theory I've reasoned is that consciousness is the same in each of us. That is every human who exists (and potentially every aware life form) shares the same basis of consciousness, individuality arises from different life experiences. So in effect every person on this planet is you but with differing life experiences. What this means is that if death is oblivion, you will exist in the next new born child. Not as 'you' but as a new point of consciousness which is exactly the same as your core. So either way, if there is life after death or not, we will be back

From this thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_spiritual_evolution/not_everyone_has_a_soul-t20346.0.html;msg185107#msg185107

It's not as articulate as I posted elsewhere, but I can't find that post Smiley.
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