Astral projection, vibrations and focusing the eye's upward?

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PlasmaAstralProjection

So I have noticed that when I have a hard time getting to sleep that if I just focus my eye's upward that it can not only help me get to sleep but also induce some kind of vibrations. Now I can both physically move my eye's upward or focus my inner eye's upward and get the same type of effect.

Do any of you have thoughts on how this might relate to astral projection?

Xanth


PlasmaAstralProjection


soki

I can rely to this feeling. I think it does the same mental movement than ''putting pressure upward'' on your etheric body. I can get kind of vibrations when I do that but it won't lead me to a full OOBE since I'm forcing my way out. It's exactly the same as looking up then you feel energetic sensations and it feels like you're pushing upward. I'm able to create this same feeling now just by moving my consciousness upward. Your eyes=your focus (consciousness). If you look at somehting you focus on the thing, you put your consciousness ''there''. So I think it's the same with your inner eyes it brings the focus there. I can stay in that place, at the beginning I was forcing and couldn't stay ''there''. But now I do it without my eyes and without pushing, so I don't get all the energetic feelings and it brings me really deep really fast. Try to do it without thinking about your eyes, remember the mental sensation and recreate the conciousness movement. You'll understand what I mean and maybe you will get to the same hypothesis than me! Another trick could be putting your attention towards the inner part of the top of your skull. It does pretty much the same thing but without forcing. And you can try the back of your head too. It's what I was doing a month ago to get to the trance state.

PlasmaAstralProjection

Quote from: soki on March 01, 2015, 22:48:16
I can rely to this feeling. I think it does the same mental movement than ''putting pressure upward'' on your etheric body. I can get kind of vibrations when I do that but it won't lead me to a full OOBE since I'm forcing my way out. It's exactly the same as looking up then you feel energetic sensations and it feels like you're pushing upward. I'm able to create this same feeling now just by moving my consciousness upward. Your eyes=your focus (consciousness). If you look at somehting you focus on the thing, you put your consciousness ''there''. So I think it's the same with your inner eyes it brings the focus there. I can stay in that place, at the beginning I was forcing and couldn't stay ''there''. But now I do it without my eyes and without pushing, so I don't get all the energetic feelings and it brings me really deep really fast. Try to do it without thinking about your eyes, remember the mental sensation and recreate the conciousness movement. You'll understand what I mean and maybe you will get to the same hypothesis than me! Another trick could be putting your attention towards the inner part of the top of your skull. It does pretty much the same thing but without forcing. And you can try the back of your head too. It's what I was doing a month ago to get to the trance state.
Thanks for that Soki. I did a thread here and I naturally ended up doing something like that when I tried to astral project earlier. And I got into a pretty deep trance as you call it. Though I was fully aware.

Here is the thread.
www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/i_might_have_been_close_to_astral_projection-t45628.0.html

Let me ask are you a proficient astral projector? Thanks.

soki

My pleasure! I just posted something in the same section you posted this topic and it's gonna answer your question go read it if you feel like it I would appreciate it! I'm gonna go eat and will be coming back to read your link after supper's ready haha!

soki

Just read it. To answer your question I think that yes I'm proficient at astral projecting and I understood today that I succeeded before without knowing I was in AP. But today is the first time I really got the feeling of an OOBE. Let's say today is the day I finally understood how to take control of the phenomenon. Here's the link to the post:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/first_astral_projection_frome_the_waking_state_well_need_your_opinion-t45629.0.html

Take a look you'll understand what I mean by I was AP'ing without knowing it.

PlasmaAstralProjection

Quote from: Xanth on March 01, 2015, 20:08:06
Frank wrote whole pages on just that very thing.
Xanth where is that PDF or document of some sort with all of Franks posts? I'll see if I can find it. Thanks.


soki

And it's not where he talks about the eyes uppward phenomenon. It's more about his vision of OOBE's, the Non-Physical Reality and phasing.  Excellent read really.

Xanth

Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on March 02, 2015, 01:01:39
Xanth where is that PDF or document of some sort with all of Franks posts? I'll see if I can find it. Thanks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0mdilfmsymjkz9/FranksPosts.pdf?dl=0
Knock yourself out.  :)

Projector4life


soki

Happy to help!

And thank you Xanth for the document I already read it (think it was a sticky topic) but I am gonna read it again since everytime I get further in my practice and read something I had read I understand it in another way.



soki

Yes thank you I saw Xanth's link and I had already read it but I'm reading it again!

soki

I'm reading it and I found this don't know if you read it I'll put it here so you can have a look keep reading he talks about the eyes upward.




No, I'm not saying that at all. You do not "need" anything to project. Any physically and
mentally normal person already has everything they need in order to project.
You see, these days people are suffering Astral Information Overload. Problem is,
commercialism is taking over; books need to be sold, pages of information need to be created,
and so forth. Marketing works because, in essence, it fools you into thinking you "need" some
"thing" in order to be a better person, say, or to make your life more secure, or whatever.
Advertisements play on fear and greed and all kinds of circumstances and emotions so you'll
keep buying and buying and buying......
But don't get me wrong, I do realise where you are coming from. I just want to make clear the
big mistake I see people making, time and again, is they think they need some "technique" in
order to project. No, the act of projection is a totally NATURAL event.
However, what you DO need (or at least what most of us seem to need) is relaxation coupled
with a little meta-physical imagery. So as to kick-start the process of bringing ourselves to the
mental point where projection WILL happen (NOTE: The key word to remember here is "little").
Have you ever noticed that the sexiest pictures of women, the pictures that really stimulate the
most, tend to be the ones where they are NOT fully naked? That's because they tantalise the
mind and stimulate it into developing elements of creative fantasy in order to "fill the gaps".
Which, in turn, can very quickly stimulate an erection.
So the million-dollar question is: How can we "tantalise the mind" into stimulating projection?
Okay, the first thing we need to do is to simply relax. Not relax in any particular way necessarily.
No, all you need is to simply do nothing more than just lie down on your back and relax... what
could be more natural than that?
But what has happened is, the marketing-boys have latched onto this and have provided us with
an amazing plethora of so-called "techniques"... "Buy my latest Power Technique... No, buy my
Super-Power Technique... Hey, over hear, I've got a Super-Power Technique that doubles as a
10-Minute blah, blah, blah, Technique all rolled into one... No, listen to me, I've got the latest
Advanced Super-Duper Power Two-Minute Projection Blaster... and if that fails, next week
comes the very latest Projection BlasterII that's guaranteed to relax & project more than any
other, or your money back!"
And so it goes on, ad nauseum.
I was flipping through Astral Dynamics yesterday when I came across a section where problems
had occured from using the Rope Technique. One person ended up with a pile of rope on the
floor; another kept hitting the ceiling, and so forth. What these people have done is to develop
(or perhaps they already did have) brilliant powers of creative visualisation. But that is all they
have done.
Alright, maybe having such an attuned creative power will come in handy in their physical life.
Especially if they are a designer of some kind. But it is not at all necessary for Astral Projection.
In fact, I maintain that it can quite possibly interfere with the entire projection process.
Projection occurs when you shift your focal point of awarenes from behind your physical eyes
and move it upwards to the point I described in a previous post to this thread. That is really all
you need to do.
Your focal point of awareness is simply the part of your brain that gives you the five physical
senses of smell, touch, taste, hearing and eyesight. Plus, it allows you to think about things and to
remember events.
Right, so inside the front part of your brain, about where I told you to imagine the red dot, is a
portion of the brain that has the ability to see the Astral region(s). Imagine that the Astral regions
are the VHF FM waveband (in the UK it's 88 to 108 megahertz) and that the portion of the brain
I'm telling you about is an FM radio. But also imagine that this radio has no loudspeaker - just a
headphone outlet.
So now imagine a situation where the radio is switched-on and tuned to a station; and you are
standing next to the radio wearing a pair of headphones. But the headphones are not plugged in.
In other words, the radio is receiving and playing a signal; and you are standing there with
everything you need to hear it; but you can't actually hear anything... until... you do the simple
act of plugging in the headphones and bingo! Instantly you hear the station.
In the physical body, your focal point of awareness are the headphones. The part of the brain that
connects to the Astral is the switched-on radio. When you shift your focal point of awareness
upwards... you plug in the headphones.
It really is that simple.
So just lie back, relax, and imagine making that connection by using a little meta-physical
imagery. You can climb an imaginary rope, or imagine putting your sense of physical awareness
in an elevator, or anything like that will do. The simpler and the plainer it is the better.
Also, and this is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, let your eyes roll back so they are looking upwards.
You see, this is SO HIGHLY EFFECTIVE because your focal point of awareness, when you are
awake, tends to follow the eyes. Point the eyes up, and your focal point of awareness goes...
At first, you may experience stress in the eye muscles. So relax them until the strained feeling
goes away and try again. Try to concentrate on not physically holding the eyes up. Just let them
roll back naturally. Which they WILL do after just a little practise.
You know when you are doing it right, because there will come an instant when suddenly you
thought you heard something; or maybe you thought you detected some kind of shadow or
movement. At which point the eyes will try to look. Which will have the effect of immediately
halting the process. So you will have to start again. This may happen quite a number of times at
first, but at least you will know you are on the right track!
So please, as a little experiment, put aside all thoughts of using any kind of technique. Simply lie
back, gently relax, and let your eyes roll back and imagine your awareness drifting upwards. It is
important that you take things very slowly, and handle your mind very gently. It is rather like if
you were physically handling a new-born baby. Think of the protective gentleness you would
feel towards that tiny new-born soul. Now imagine the same thing, but in mental terms.
Please always bear in mind: YOU CANNOT "MAKE" PROJECTION HAPPEN!!!
Successful projection is all about creating the right circumstances where you simply let it
happen. Understand that conscious-exit projection is a gentle and graceful process. The slightest
hint of any kind of mental harshness totally scuppers the whole thing!
Yours,
Frank
2552 Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! /
Deep physical relaxation?? on: April 01, 2002, 14:39:40

PlasmaAstralProjection

Quote from: soki on March 02, 2015, 22:05:03
Yes thank you I saw Xanth's link and I had already read it but I'm reading it again!
The link I gave is different than the one Xanth gave. Check it and see for yourself.

PlasmaAstralProjection

Quote from: soki on March 02, 2015, 22:48:28No, I'm not saying that at all. You do not "need" anything to project. Any physically and
mentally normal person already has everything they need in order to project.
You see, these days people are suffering Astral Information Overload. Problem is,
commercialism is taking over; books need to be sold, pages of information need to be created,
and so forth. Marketing works because, in essence, it fools you into thinking you "need" some
"thing" in order to be a better person, say, or to make your life more secure, or whatever.
Advertisements play on fear and greed and all kinds of circumstances and emotions so you'll
keep buying and buying and buying......
But don't get me wrong, I do realise where you are coming from. I just want to make clear the
big mistake I see people making, time and again, is they think they need some "technique" in
order to project. No, the act of projection is a totally NATURAL event.
However, what you DO need (or at least what most of us seem to need) is relaxation coupled
with a little meta-physical imagery. So as to kick-start the process of bringing ourselves to the
mental point where projection WILL happen (NOTE: The key word to remember here is "little").
Have you ever noticed that the sexiest pictures of women, the pictures that really stimulate the
most, tend to be the ones where they are NOT fully naked? That's because they tantalise the
mind and stimulate it into developing elements of creative fantasy in order to "fill the gaps".
Which, in turn, can very quickly stimulate an erection.
So the million-dollar question is: How can we "tantalise the mind" into stimulating projection?
Okay, the first thing we need to do is to simply relax. Not relax in any particular way necessarily.
No, all you need is to simply do nothing more than just lie down on your back and relax... what
could be more natural than that?
But what has happened is, the marketing-boys have latched onto this and have provided us with
an amazing plethora of so-called "techniques"... "Buy my latest Power Technique... No, buy my
Super-Power Technique... Hey, over hear, I've got a Super-Power Technique that doubles as a
10-Minute blah, blah, blah, Technique all rolled into one... No, listen to me, I've got the latest
Advanced Super-Duper Power Two-Minute Projection Blaster... and if that fails, next week
comes the very latest Projection BlasterII that's guaranteed to relax & project more than any
other, or your money back!"
And so it goes on, ad nauseum.
I was flipping through Astral Dynamics yesterday when I came across a section where problems
had occured from using the Rope Technique. One person ended up with a pile of rope on the
floor; another kept hitting the ceiling, and so forth. What these people have done is to develop
(or perhaps they already did have) brilliant powers of creative visualisation. But that is all they
have done.
Alright, maybe having such an attuned creative power will come in handy in their physical life.
Especially if they are a designer of some kind. But it is not at all necessary for Astral Projection.
In fact, I maintain that it can quite possibly interfere with the entire projection process.
Projection occurs when you shift your focal point of awarenes from behind your physical eyes
and move it upwards to the point I described in a previous post to this thread. That is really all
you need to do.
Your focal point of awareness is simply the part of your brain that gives you the five physical
senses of smell, touch, taste, hearing and eyesight. Plus, it allows you to think about things and to
remember events.
Right, so inside the front part of your brain, about where I told you to imagine the red dot, is a
portion of the brain that has the ability to see the Astral region(s). Imagine that the Astral regions
are the VHF FM waveband (in the UK it's 88 to 108 megahertz) and that the portion of the brain
I'm telling you about is an FM radio. But also imagine that this radio has no loudspeaker - just a
headphone outlet.
So now imagine a situation where the radio is switched-on and tuned to a station; and you are
standing next to the radio wearing a pair of headphones. But the headphones are not plugged in.
In other words, the radio is receiving and playing a signal; and you are standing there with
everything you need to hear it; but you can't actually hear anything... until... you do the simple
act of plugging in the headphones and bingo! Instantly you hear the station.
In the physical body, your focal point of awareness are the headphones. The part of the brain that
connects to the Astral is the switched-on radio. When you shift your focal point of awareness
upwards... you plug in the headphones.
It really is that simple.
So just lie back, relax, and imagine making that connection by using a little meta-physical
imagery. You can climb an imaginary rope, or imagine putting your sense of physical awareness
in an elevator, or anything like that will do. The simpler and the plainer it is the better.
Also, and this is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, let your eyes roll back so they are looking upwards.
You see, this is SO HIGHLY EFFECTIVE because your focal point of awareness, when you are
awake, tends to follow the eyes. Point the eyes up, and your focal point of awareness goes...
At first, you may experience stress in the eye muscles. So relax them until the strained feeling
goes away and try again. Try to concentrate on not physically holding the eyes up. Just let them
roll back naturally. Which they WILL do after just a little practise.
You know when you are doing it right, because there will come an instant when suddenly you
thought you heard something; or maybe you thought you detected some kind of shadow or
movement. At which point the eyes will try to look. Which will have the effect of immediately
halting the process. So you will have to start again. This may happen quite a number of times at
first, but at least you will know you are on the right track!
So please, as a little experiment, put aside all thoughts of using any kind of technique. Simply lie
back, gently relax, and let your eyes roll back and imagine your awareness drifting upwards. It is
important that you take things very slowly, and handle your mind very gently. It is rather like if
you were physically handling a new-born baby. Think of the protective gentleness you would
feel towards that tiny new-born soul. Now imagine the same thing, but in mental terms.
Please always bear in mind: YOU CANNOT "MAKE" PROJECTION HAPPEN!!!
Successful projection is all about creating the right circumstances where you simply let it
happen. Understand that conscious-exit projection is a gentle and graceful process. The slightest
hint of any kind of mental harshness totally scuppers the whole thing!
Yours,
Frank
2552 Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! /
Deep physical relaxation?? on: April 01, 2002, 14:39:40
Thanks I actually already read some of this in skimming through the PDF.

Other than that today I tired to astral project again. I didn't feel like I was phasing inwardly like the  other day, but I did feel like I helped open mind frontal lobe consciousness to the astral, kind of like what Frank was talking about. Other than that I was too tired to practice astral traveling this morning, only later after I got my rest was I able to do it. When I am tired I am tired and don't feel like projecting or anything. I will continue to practice though.

soki

Ok I'll check that thanks!!!! In the next days I'll be attempting to succeed at phasing and having a higher degree of awareness than in my last AP. And I have to make them last longer! Good luck in your practice (the simple fact of saying that motivates me that's why I did so haha).


For sure keep on trying and keep me posted! I was doing 2-3 tries per day for a month and a half before succeeding (I had stopped 2 years ago I think, and it's been years since I tried for the first time). But to give you an idea it was the time it took ME while really trying hard and taking notes on everything that happened. I analysed every detail that occured during my practice and it led me to where I am now. Practice is the only way to do it, and sometimes (as it happened for me in the last weeks) you will stumble at the same stages, thinking you just can't go further. But each time you will take little steps forward, it can be so little it's frustrating. But keep on doing it, the simple fact of doing it is gonna make you improve. And by reading your notes you will be able to see the huge improvement between the weeks, even if you don't feel like it while doing it. Keep it up the harder you try the better you get!

soki

Thanks for the link it's awesome!! Up in the favorites it goes!

PlasmaAstralProjection

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Quote from: soki on March 03, 2015, 00:45:26
Ok I'll check that thanks!!!! In the next days I'll be attempting to succeed at phasing and having a higher degree of awareness than in my last AP. And I have to make them last longer! Good luck in your practice (the simple fact of saying that motivates me that's why I did so haha).


For sure keep on trying and keep me posted! I was doing 2-3 tries per day for a month and a half before succeeding (I had stopped 2 years ago I think, and it's been years since I tried for the first time). But to give you an idea it was the time it took ME while really trying hard and taking notes on everything that happened. I analysed every detail that occured during my practice and it led me to where I am now. Practice is the only way to do it, and sometimes (as it happened for me in the last weeks) you will stumble at the same stages, thinking you just can't go further. But each time you will take little steps forward, it can be so little it's frustrating. But keep on doing it, the simple fact of doing it is gonna make you improve. And by reading your notes you will be able to see the huge improvement between the weeks, even if you don't feel like it while doing it. Keep it up the harder you try the better you get!
Thanks for the encouragement, it's encouraging, really. I like you, tried to astral project very seriously some years ago. And then I am really getting back into it again. I quit back then though since my health turned for the worse, but now that I am doing much better I feel like I got a good chance of being able to project with practice. If you didn't see my other post in my other thread here about what for my second OBE attempt today check it out.

PlasmaAstralProjection

Man I got to start practicing 2 to 3 times a day. It might double my chances of getting out of body.  :-)

soki

I'm following this other topic too and for sure it will greatly increase your chances since you will get a better control over everything. The more you do it, the less things surprise you. So you can go past these things towards AP (ex: vibrations, sounds, mental images etc.). The best trick I could give you for where you are at now: don't wait for nothing to happen. When you feel something just don't think about it. Even if it's pretty exciting and you think it's nice and everything put it aside and put ALL your focus (without forcing it) onto your visualisation or whatever you're doing. You'll have all the time you want to take notes after your session and think about it. If you begin thinking about it while it's happening it will stop the process. I repeat the most important part that helped me: don't wait for nothing to happen! Not until you are able to reach the separation point. After you can apply an intent to get out but if you wait for something to happen it's gonna kill it. And remember it's easier to get out when you don't feel anything because when you do it brings your attention towards your physical body. The hardest part is to ignore the sensations. Good luck!

dust8879

Thank you Soki for you extremely helpful posts. Rolling the eyes upward is something I'm definitely going to try. I know someone who projects regularly by rolling their eyes upwards. They see a light coming towards them and then end up in a scene.

Various times during the night when falling asleep I see a white haze. It's only started appearing a few months ago when I started third eye meditation. Maybe this is a way to exit.