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« on: September 29, 2006, 03:31:21 »

Hey AP Gang,

Found this yesterday checking out this spirituality magazine in barnes and noble.

Biofeedback is scientifically proven to have a powerful, positive effect on your emotional and physical well-being by teaching you to alter your brain activity, blood pressure, muscle tension, heart rate and other critical bodily functions.

http://www.wilddivine.com/

I am not anyway affilated with this program or pushing anything on the group. Thought this was cool for measuring the obe state, breathing, and mastering.

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 07:42:02 »

I've used this program before. It is actually very interesting the way you progress to the next stage. Real OBE's to me are more satsifying though but some people may find this a preferred alternative.

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 07:42:02 »

logoVisit the website of Astral Pulse creator Adrian Cooper.

Home of the best selling book Our Ultimate Reality.

Astral Projection, Metaphysics and many other subjects.

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2006, 15:08:09 »

Awakened_Mind,

I read up on this and I am primarly interested in the heart rate and sensations it grabs from your skin.

Can you share a little more about this? Can this tool be used to measure heart rate and blood pressure during the obe?

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 03:25:52 »

The way you progress through the different stages is by, in laymans, relaxing more and more. Slowing down mental activity. There is more than one version of the program as well. Last time I heard anything related there was two. It can measure everything you mentioned. The actual device is well overdue however. Meaning that while it can record your physical status during projection, the information is largely irrelevant. IMO. You cannot really go over the results and go "this is where I need to improve". That has to be done through exit techniques, energy development and persistence.

Your heart rate does slow down somewhat during projection. I've read case studies on projectors that are smokers (nicotine), and their heart rates generally didn't slow down as much as those who weren't. The main variable being discussed here is physical fitness. It is not essential for projection. I find a light jog several times a week slows my HR down. I think it assists in projection, but is certainly not vital.

The machine will basically tell you, (not in words) that while projecting your body is running at it's minimum. I'm guessing this is because you projected double is using the energy.

Would I recommend buying it? For people trying to learn how to protect and reading this thread, understand that you do not need this program to project. I would say it is of more interest to experienced projectors anyhow. Your physical body operates differently when you project. You can use this program once. See what happens. Then have no use for the program. Perhaps use it to see what happens when you are seriously fatigued, drunk, wide awake etc. By attempting to exit while your physical body is in different states may come up with different results. I only did it when I was wide awake. It was around 3 in the afternoon.

IMO, it's not worth the investment. I would say it's mostly suited to people beginning a spiritual journey. Projectors can use it as a tool yes. It will measure your HR and BP.

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2006, 04:57:34 »

have you measured your BP amd HR during the OBE with this device?

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 15:57:38 »

My heart resting heart rate normally is approx 54bpm. During an OBE it went down to around 46 - 44. So it does lower significantly. I've heard rumours Bruce Lee got his down to 12 and 20. I seriously doubt this but I haven't looked into it.

BP, for me, was something that wasn't really effected by OBE. Heart rate was more the dependent variable.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 01:59:18 »

what have the studies shown for dreaming and one heart rate / blood pressure?

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 05:13:33 »

The nature of the dream and likewise an OBE is a key variable. If you monitor the heart rate of an unexperienced projector during projection and then upon re-entry, the acceleration of the heart rate accelerates quite dramatically. Generally speaking. The same is true with dreams, exciting dreams (including nightmares) can cause increase heart rate of the dreamer.

There are not exstensive 'studies' as such, done at all with OBE's. The true nature of an OBE is not observable. Monitoring bodily changes only proves that there are definite changes in the body. Seeings how all exits are subjective this creates a big problem in drawing conclusions to aspects of projection. Higher realms - different vibrational states/frequencies? In above each other? Sub-planes etc etc. However our oppinions only go so far. What we are really searching for can never be satisfied by an oppinion. We are all scientific to a certain extent and spritual to another. Balance is the key.

Not meaning to sound rude, but what specifically are you looking for in this program? What is your interest with it? I have no objection, just so I can direct my answers a little more specifically.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 20:36:29 »

Awakened Mind,

Does the software tell you your HR/BP in real-time (as it's happening), or do you have to complete the game first in order to see your results?
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 23:54:25 »

It monitors your HR/BP behind the scenes as the game progresses.

http://www.wilddivine.com/WildDivineAboutBiofeedback/

Check out those graphs.

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2006, 14:57:18 »

Awakened Mind,


Only reason that I'm interested is for awhile I've been wanting to record my HR/BP during sleep and OBE. Lately, I've been using a stethoscope hooked up to my chest recording myself during sleep and obe. But to get a accurate measure, I think biofeedback would be a better canidate.

Also, I can use this information for my web site, research study.

np, your not sounding rude.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2006, 16:54:57 »

All good. As I said this is probably of more use to experienced projectors. I don't regret using it. If you are doing a reseach study it's definitely essential to have accurate results. Good luck with it. I'll be one of the ones the reads the article more than likely.

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