Fictional Worlds Exist

[LightBeam]

Hi everyone, I just discovered this forum and I am glad that it is very active. I will share with you some of my most exciting OBEs from my journal and of course new ones. I hope you enjoy them!

Note! This OBE is from my journal. It occurred two years ago, few weeks after I watched Narnia -Prince Caspian

It started around 3:00 am, I woke up briefly and after 15 minutes as I was falling back to sleep, I started hearing clattering noises. I thought, who could be in the kitchen at this hour? Few moments later I realized... ahhh, these are the vibes, I am about to separate. Instantly I opened my ayes and I saw that I was lying in the same position as in my physical bed, but I was in a larger room with a big window overlooking a beach area. I got up and I said OK, I am out, lets see where I am. I looked through the huge window and I saw that I was in some sort of modern city. It was around sunset. I could see the millions of lights coming from the tall buildings. I flew through the window and was up in the air observing the city and the surroundings. It was so exciting! Then, as I turned my attention towards the beach, I spotted a castle. It was a little unusual though, the castle looked in real size, but at the same time the portion of the beach I was looking at was much smaller. It was like an optical illusion sort of thing. I flew towards the castle and as I was approaching, it started shrinking. By the time I landed, there was nothing there, just piles of sand. I was trying to find an explanation of the disappearance and suddenly I heard a voice behind me. "Let me take you there". I turned around I who do you think was standing next to me? PRINCE CASPIAN.... ha ha. I fell silent for a moment staring at him. Finally I said OMG you are real, and I attempted to start laughing (honestly, I don't know why I wanted to laugh) then he gave me the look like he did not understand what was so amusing.
Anyway he grabbed my hand and we flew toward a tall building. We ended up on the top floor in a big room. He opened the window and said "Now we jump" We did, but the jump lasted only one second and we were.... guess where... In Narnia ... OMG I could not believe it. I looked at him and he said "See, it does exist!" At this point my awareness started becoming more focused and the level of my excitement flew off the charts. I knew that if I held my attention on the fact that I was out of my body, I might snap back too soon. I exhaled, relaxed and focused my attention on my companion. I was determined to ask him questions and better understand the nature of the fictional worlds realities. I said to him "Lets sit for a moment, we need to talk". And so we did.

So, as we did the jump we ended up in that same castle which I have spotted earlier on the beach. We sat down on a beautiful white wooden bench on a terrace overlooking a large yard. I looked at him and smiled, because my first question was kind of silly, but that` s what first popped into my head:
Me: Now, tell me Caspian, is that your real look....because you know the actor who plays Prince Caspian in our movie, appears to look exactly like you.... or you look like him...
C: Oh, I appeared to you like this because otherwise you would not have recognized who I was and your experience would have been distorted. I do look different, but there is no point of changing my appearance now. It is better for your comprehension.
Me: Is Narnia a physical place?
C: It does exist in a physical reality as you call it, although your understanding of realities are highly distorted. Now we are observing the energy portion of it. I am not in my physical form either, nor are you. You may remember when you return or you may not, as I may remember or I may not.
Me: So, you are basically learning the same way we are?
C: Yes, at lest while we are physically oriented, but in our world there are many more channels opened than in yours.
Me: What do you mean?
C: Things of different nature co-exist, several races of beings live together and we are able to visit other worlds physically as well.
Me: The story about your world, is it true?
C: Not entirely, though your author was able to observe this particular reality for quite a while.
Me: Do you mean consciously?
C: Some of our highs, on purpose chose to reveal parts of our history to stay connected to other worlds. There is great energy that sometimes gets established. This can give great support if something should happen.
Me: What do you mean by " highs" and what it is that could happen. Is it something bad?
C: I don`t know if you could understand at this time?
Me: Oh, I feel a little offended, but if you do not wish to tell me that would be fine.
He smiled - C: Our highs are the wisest in your terms beings. There are conflicts in our world just like there are in yours.
Me: Do you know about our world?
C: My physical self does not know much. It is limited in many ways, but we know more than you do about other worlds. I saw your radiance when you were trying to find the castle. I have met many other beings from your world.
Me: Will I meet with you again?
C: There are no boundaries here, you know how to find your way now.
Me: But what about entering your world with my physical body and meeting wit your physical self. Is that possible?
C: I would say Yes, but there are many closed doors where you are.
Me: But the doors do exist?
C: Yes, they were opened at certain parts of your time. But it is not impossible, that's all I can say to you.
At that moment I felt a strong pulling sensation and I was snapped back. I opened my eyes and It was 4 am. I could not go back to sleep. That was maybe my most exciting OBE so far.

[Thaki]

Welcome to Astral Pulse LightBeam,its great place you will definitely learn a lot if you stick around.

Cool post,this is what i was subconsously hoping for all the time.It brought back hope....

Thank you for sharing

Regards,Vedyl

[Svetoslav]

Was exiting to read.
Even that i've partially achieved OBEs and believe in them,i don't know why,but i don't trust people telling such experiences (don't offend  ).
Sounds too good to be true..
Like something created in your mind with huge imaginary,instead of real OBE experience.

[Thaki]

Svetoslav,OBE do have a fair amount of subjective experience to it.Its how you perceive things you encounter also what matters.
But yeah,could have been a FA...it always can.

Please correct me if im wrong  im here to learn

[Svetoslav]

"Svetoslav,OBE do have a fair amount of subjective experience to it.Its how you perceive things you encounter also what matters."
I will try to correct you by my experiences

When OBE is happening my mind is perfectly aware that i am in it. And every time i get into it, i am in my bed not anywhere else.
My past real-physical experiences are not included in my OBE in any of its kind.
When i am in OBE i can build my own world from complete darkness (with the help of some red flying targets which i fill with non-physical matter) or start exploring the world with my non-physical body beginning from my bed(those 2 possibilities are based on how i've done my projection exit).

That's why i think LightBeam post sounds like a fake story or just remembered dream.

[LightBeam]

Svetlio, nedei taka be moito momche ha ha.
No, I am not offended at all. I understand what you mean Svetlio. But I have trained myself to the point where I can have an OBE at will. My energy is extremely strong and I can vividly remember every little detail, conversation with different spirits, beings, etc.and I write them down the next morning. Usually I don't let my mind create things. O always ask to experience stable realities where already many entities reside in. I have experienced everything, from fear created monsters to assisting lost spirits.
Whether you chose to believe it, or not, I won't get offended. For my own excitement and thrill, I know that I have experienced them and I will continue posting occasionally the most interesting APs I have has so far.

[todd421757]

It was a good read, but I am slightly concerned.

Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the instrument of foreign influences; the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies. This sums up my views of the topic.

Why would anyone want to communicate with spirits (if that is even possible). There is no way of knowing the history of that spirit. There is no way of knowing if the information is correct. There is a possibility of attachment of a negative spirit. Why would anyone risk their life for this.

It would be the same as going up to a stranger in your physical life and asking them detailed questions about various topics that concerns your life, and you believing everything they say. No one would recommend this.

Be an adept. Try to be as conscious as you can and only do out of body travel in your house and maybe down a block or two outside, then travel immediately back to your body. That's all you have to do to stay more conscious and avoid possible dreamlike visions. These dreamlike visions can trick your mind to feel you are on an enlightened path of knowledge.

[AJDIN]

Good read!

[LightBeam]

Todd, if you are so afraid to explore the astral worlds, what are you going to do when you physically die? Stick around your house and become another trapped spirit? There is so much more out there. We should never be afraid. That's all I can say, otherwise, we will never progress.

[todd421757]

Trapped souls have desires and addictions for physical life. I have spent years controlling my desires. I am not afraid of being trapped.

I don't even believe the astral plane even exists except in your mind. I have never experienced astral consciousness. So I have no worries about being trapped there either, since I have no desire for it. I practice meditation on light and sound to reach my higher self regularly in between my OBE practice sessions.

I definitely understand what your saying though. Just make sure your thoughts are your thoughts and not another spirit's thoughts. Robert Bruce wrote an entire book about negative spirit attachments. He even used blue ink pens to remove negative spirits that attach to your moles. That book really woke me up.

Practical Psychic Self-Defense by Robert Bruce

[Lionheart]

Why would anyone want to communicate with spirits (if that is even possible). There is no way of knowing the history of that spirit. There is no way of knowing if the information is correct. There is a possibility of attachment of a negative spirit. Why would anyone risk their life for this.

For the same reason they would want to communicate with you. Common curiosity and understanding. They could have shown themselves to you to teach you something. I guess you basically have to trust sometimes and confront your fears. There are bad people here on earth too. You talk to people here on earth too, do you always know their history or motives?

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Todd- Robert Bruce is a great man. I ran on his youtube videos one day and he is what got me started into all of this. Well... Him and EVP work. I really need to buy one of his books.

Lightbeam- Hey! Welcome to the pulse. 

[LightBeam]

I don't even believe the astral plane even exists except in your mind. I have never experienced astral consciousness.

Just out of curiosity, if you don't believe that the astral world exist and by extend anything beyond the physical dimension exists, then why are you practicing OBE techniques? Do you think that your thoughts are generated by your brain, or by a consciousness that it is not of physical matter?

I am sorry, if I am asking too many questions, but I am new here and I don't know the members that well yet. I am just trying to help, because I do have a good number of conscious OBE experiences and most of them felt even clearer and more vibrant, than the physical reality itself. My energy field simply does not allow negative entities, because positive energy free of fear is always stronger than a negative one.

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Lightbeam-I had an OBE once and I went upstairs where my grandma was. I hadn't seen her all day. I saw she was feeding the dogs, and I noted she was wearing grey shirt, black sweats. I went back in my body, and then went upstairs... She was wearing exactly that. Just thought I would share that with you.

PS She also had two dog bowls in her hands when I got back into my body and went upstairs to check for myself. That was an amazing validation.

[LightBeam]

Don't you love OBEs like that Army? That means you were observing the physical world, or at least the closest level.
I had a validation like that, when I OBEed and visited my house in my country. When I was there I saw that the bed covers were bright red, and I thought oh, it's because I am observing an alternate reality or my mind is making the covers red. However, few days later, when I talked to my mom on skype, the first thing I noticed on the background were the two corner beds all in red LOL. I almost couldn't believe it!

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Yeah! That's good stuff right there. I think perhaps maybe what we were seeing was a copy of the physical world in real time. It can get crazy though because things can appear upside down etc. Or change on you completely... But it is in fact some sort of copy in real time I think. 

[Stillwater]

If the universe indeed is infinite as many of us think, and the laws of various physical "simulations" like the one we are experiencing are flexible, it seems a necessary conclusion to me that all works of fiction that do not contain an internal contradiction (contradictions are never possible in any world) must therefore exist as their own independent worlds. Since a system of infinite space and matter, and unlimited rules must contain every possible place or narritive.

Some people say our lives are pretty much set on a fixed path- perhaps this is because we set them beforehand with a goal of learning certain things or having certain unique experiences.

If all of what I said above turns out to be true, it might be great fun after I die to live a few lives as a movie character experiencing a set plot (but which I would experience as having my own free will, and making all the choices on my own). Heck... maybe that is similar to what we are all doing now, even! 

Todd- Robert Bruce is a great man. I ran on his youtube videos one day and he is what got me started into all of this. Well... Him and EVP work. I really need to buy one of his books.

Armyofone:

Robert Bruce made Astraldynamics available as a free Ebook about a year back, if you were interested in that one! But if you want to support him, there is always amazon !

[Svetoslav]

Svetlio, nedei taka be moito momche ha ha.
No, I am not offended at all. I understand what you mean Svetlio. But I have trained myself to the point where I can have an OBE at will. My energy is extremely strong and I can vividly remember every little detail, conversation with different spirits, beings, etc.and I write them down the next morning. Usually I don't let my mind create things. O always ask to experience stable realities where already many entities reside in. I have experienced everything, from fear created monsters to assisting lost spirits.
Whether you chose to believe it, or not, I won't get offended. For my own excitement and thrill, I know that I have experienced them and I will continue posting occasionally the most interesting APs I have has so far.

Ve4e znaesh imeto mi a ti kak se kazva6 ?

LightBeam i don't know how you progress on your OBE experiences,but i absolutelly agree with Todd saying this:

Be an adept. Try to be as conscious as you can and only do out of body travel in your house and maybe down a block or two outside, then travel immediately back to your body. That's all you have to do to stay more conscious and avoid possible dreamlike visions. These dreamlike visions can trick your mind to feel you are on an enlightened path of knowledge.

I guess you know the stairway - low conscious-lucid dream-OBE. Of course it is possible low conscious-OBE directly as it happens to me!
Robert Peterson perfectly describes your situation. If you 'go too far' into your OBE it is possible that you go back on the stairway to lucid dreaming.
He describes that lucid dreaming has its own states. The one i think you got into is called Fantasy state.
That's why you should start your OBEs from the bed and first exploring your room and going further and further,piece by piece to farer destinations.
Otherwise you are not practicing/experiencing OBEs..

I hope you'll take our advices and achieve much better experiences

Best wishes !

You can read the fantasy state/trap in here - http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap20.html

[Warlexx]

Stiga be i v tozi forum li ni ima
Nice experience Lightbeam,it was very interesting to read.

[LightBeam]

@ Svetlio - Priatno mi e da se zapoznaem, maria!
@Warlexx -The power of the Bulgarians... he he
@ StillWater - Very wise words indeed, very wise. That's exactly how I view the multidimensional universe. This magnificent infinity has no boundaries and limitations.


I think it's just the other way around Svetlio. The far you get from the RTZ and your immediate surroundings, you experience a higher vibratory rate, encounters and worlds of different nature, you get to communicate with guides and higher beings, etc, the list is endless. I don't agree that the farther you go you drift into a lucidity and thus you think that what you experience is more like an illusion and fantasy type. My OBE did not turn into a dream that I am certain of, because that whole time I was on high alert and trying to keep my focus, so I don't snap back into my body. I did't wake up the next morning, returned in my body right after the OBE and I remained paralyzed for few more minutes, still experiencing vibrations, but I was too excited to attempt to go back.

Lets talk about fantasy lands for a moment! Think about it, we here in this reality are very limited, being covered in physical matter vehicles. However, our spirits aren't and through certain doorways such as sixth sense, imagination, etc, our consciousness is able to get a glimpse of other worlds which we can't physically perceive. But most people tend to think that where our imagination leads us is all illusion, made up worlds and stories. Well guess what, everything that was ever created even our physical universe and the starts, was once a thought. A thought from a great power, which many call it the Creator. As parts of the Creator, we too possess the same ability, maybe not is such a magnitude, but in a smaller scale, yes. There are endless numbers of spirits that live in infinite number of realities, some physical, some non physical. Could it be that our world here is an illusion and the others real? If we compare the life span of our galaxy, physical lives and bodies, to the immortality of our spirits and the infinity of the non physical universe, which one could be perceived as a temporary and illusionary, sort of a set up scenario to be experienced briefly? Think about it!

I have experienced my surroundings and the RTS hundreds of times and I have not learned much from it. The further I went, the more enlightened I became. The richness of the high frequency worlds can't really be described and the expansion of my knowledge can't be comprehended by someone who has never had these experiences. I would suggest that you shake off your fears and do some real travels. Some destinations you may create to enjoy whatever you like, but they are not an illusion. Why some people tend to think that the non physical energy is NOT REAL? There are much different laws there that we do not fully understand.
I have created my own personal world which I call "The Rainy Light" and when I go there, it is my sanctuary. I can touch things, smell the air, feel the grass under my feet. Why it wouldn't be real?

Now about Robert Bruce and his experiences with negs, all I can say is that had many subconscious fears and he manifested most of them in the astral, perceiving them as a negative entities. Now, I do believe that there are many spirits with bad intensions that may want to scare you, or interact with you, but again, strength and positive energy doesn't allow the opposite to exist in the same vicinity. That's why I don't like sticking around the RTZ and physical reality, because most trapped spirits reside there. The higher and farther you go, the more advanced, spirits and worlds you encounter.

I do like to read literature and input from established authors, but I always follow my own instincts and logic. In my hundreds of OBEs, so far I have experienced only few scary moments, but they were created by me.

[todd421757]

Just out of curiosity, if you don't believe that the astral world exist and by extend anything beyond the physical dimension exists, then why are you practicing OBE techniques? Do you think that your thoughts are generated by your brain, or by a consciousness that it is not of physical matter?

LightBeam,

The problem is thought usually leads to daydreaming which leads to illusions. Everyone has a chattering internal mind. No way around it. The more you prolong an OBE, the more you will have discrepancies in the OBE environment (RTZ). My best and most real OBE's have always been the ones that I stayed in my house!  

The astral plane is a creation of the personal mind (personal ego).

The mental plane on the other hand is the afterlife where the spiritual ego resonates on (our higher self).

I had around 150 etheric projections. I have never met a trapped spirit. Sylvan Muldoon who only had etheric projections never did either. The etheric plane is too dense for a trapped spirit. A trapped spirit doesn't have an etheric body anymore. That disintegrates days after death. They are trapped in the astral plane of their mind (personal ego).

The mental plane can be experienced while living on earth by abstract thought on your higher self as much as you can. This way you can skip the astral plane upon death. The astral plane is all those different sceneries you read about in NDE's immediately after going through the light. Vibrating to the mental plane immediately allows you to skip those intermediary astral scenes.   

Thought processes can originate from either the personal ego or the spiritual ego depending on whether you have physical desires or spiritual desires, respectively.

The above is my viewpoints based upon personal experience. LightBeam you are free to respond. I think open debates like this allows us to share multiple viewpoints. No one truly knows what lies ahead. That's what makes life exciting

[Rudolph]

It was a good read, but I am slightly concerned.

Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the instrument of foreign influences; the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies. This sums up my views of the topic.

A good summation but I do not understand where you see "mediumship" here?
When a projector goes within and converses with another being within... *that* is NOT mediumship.

That is personal, first person experience in the Inner Realm.

[todd421757]

A good summation but I do not understand where you see "mediumship" here?

I agree with you. I should never of wrote mediumship.

[NOFRNDS]

Hi there lightbeam

Could you please tell me more about "the rainy light" its got me very intrigued,
Sorry if I asked something to personal

Regards

[000MobianAngel000]

Hi everyone, I just discovered this forum and I am glad that it is very active. I will share with you some of my most exciting OBEs from my journal and of course new ones. I hope you enjoy them!

Note! This OBE is from my journal. It occurred two years ago, few weeks after I watched Narnia -Prince Caspian

It started around 3:00 am, I woke up briefly and after 15 minutes as I was falling back to sleep, I started hearing clattering noises. I thought, who could be in the kitchen at this hour? Few moments later I realized... ahhh, these are the vibes, I am about to separate. Instantly I opened my ayes and I saw that I was lying in the same position as in my physical bed, but I was in a larger room with a big window overlooking a beach area. I got up and I said OK, I am out, lets see where I am. I looked through the huge window and I saw that I was in some sort of modern city. It was around sunset. I could see the millions of lights coming from the tall buildings. I flew through the window and was up in the air observing the city and the surroundings. It was so exciting! Then, as I turned my attention towards the beach, I spotted a castle. It was a little unusual though, the castle looked in real size, but at the same time the portion of the beach I was looking at was much smaller. It was like an optical illusion sort of thing. I flew towards the castle and as I was approaching, it started shrinking. By the time I landed, there was nothing there, just piles of sand. I was trying to find an explanation of the disappearance and suddenly I heard a voice behind me. "Let me take you there". I turned around I who do you think was standing next to me? PRINCE CASPIAN.... ha ha. I fell silent for a moment staring at him. Finally I said OMG you are real, and I attempted to start laughing (honestly, I don't know why I wanted to laugh) then he gave me the look like he did not understand what was so amusing.
Anyway he grabbed my hand and we flew toward a tall building. We ended up on the top floor in a big room. He opened the window and said "Now we jump" We did, but the jump lasted only one second and we were.... guess where... In Narnia ... OMG I could not believe it. I looked at him and he said "See, it does exist!" At this point my awareness started becoming more focused and the level of my excitement flew off the charts. I knew that if I held my attention on the fact that I was out of my body, I might snap back too soon. I exhaled, relaxed and focused my attention on my companion. I was determined to ask him questions and better understand the nature of the fictional worlds realities. I said to him "Lets sit for a moment, we need to talk". And so we did.

So, as we did the jump we ended up in that same castle which I have spotted earlier on the beach. We sat down on a beautiful white wooden bench on a terrace overlooking a large yard. I looked at him and smiled, because my first question was kind of silly, but that` s what first popped into my head:
Me: Now, tell me Caspian, is that your real look....because you know the actor who plays Prince Caspian in our movie, appears to look exactly like you.... or you look like him...
C: Oh, I appeared to you like this because otherwise you would not have recognized who I was and your experience would have been distorted. I do look different, but there is no point of changing my appearance now. It is better for your comprehension.
Me: Is Narnia a physical place?
C: It does exist in a physical reality as you call it, although your understanding of realities are highly distorted. Now we are observing the energy portion of it. I am not in my physical form either, nor are you. You may remember when you return or you may not, as I may remember or I may not.
Me: So, you are basically learning the same way we are?
C: Yes, at lest while we are physically oriented, but in our world there are many more channels opened than in yours.
Me: What do you mean?
C: Things of different nature co-exist, several races of beings live together and we are able to visit other worlds physically as well.
Me: The story about your world, is it true?
C: Not entirely, though your author was able to observe this particular reality for quite a while.
Me: Do you mean consciously?
C: Some of our highs, on purpose chose to reveal parts of our history to stay connected to other worlds. There is great energy that sometimes gets established. This can give great support if something should happen.
Me: What do you mean by " highs" and what it is that could happen. Is it something bad?
C: I don`t know if you could understand at this time?
Me: Oh, I feel a little offended, but if you do not wish to tell me that would be fine.
He smiled - C: Our highs are the wisest in your terms beings. There are conflicts in our world just like there are in yours.
Me: Do you know about our world?
C: My physical self does not know much. It is limited in many ways, but we know more than you do about other worlds. I saw your radiance when you were trying to find the castle. I have met many other beings from your world.
Me: Will I meet with you again?
C: There are no boundaries here, you know how to find your way now.
Me: But what about entering your world with my physical body and meeting wit your physical self. Is that possible?
C: I would say Yes, but there are many closed doors where you are.
Me: But the doors do exist?
C: Yes, they were opened at certain parts of your time. But it is not impossible, that's all I can say to you.
At that moment I felt a strong pulling sensation and I was snapped back. I opened my eyes and It was 4 am. I could not go back to sleep. That was maybe my most exciting OBE so far.

I know this thread is old as dirt but I agree with the idea of the fictional worlds existing. and this conversations is completely similar to the ones I had with Shadow The Hedgehog. And yeah, not everything I learn from the characters are exactly how the franchise is.



Me: "Does Mobius exist?"

Shadow: "Yes."

Me: "From the franchise, there are humans that live in your world, is that true?"

Shadow: "Mhm."

Me: "Is your world like Earth?"

Shadow: "Hmmm....yeah very similar, just the people here are more open to others ideas and beliefs, unlike alot of humans on your world. We have mutated vegetation, monsters, robots etc. Most of the humans from your world act like Overlanders (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Overlander). Many are stupid, close-minded, and very violent. And they ABSOLUTELY hate any humans who date Mobians (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mobian), they despise it.

That's why I want you to stay away from people like that when you come to our world. ...Many already know of our relationship and I don't want you getting hurt. Just keep away from large Overlander cities."

Me: "Do Eggman's robots inhabit your world as well?"

Shadow: "Yeah, so many have been made over the years they kinda began to spread throughout the globe and many have created their own systems and mini civilizations. But there are those who are still too dangerous to be around since they still have the mind of Eggman's data chips."