Has any one tried projecting to a lower dimension?

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T_Kman0610

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Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

So, I was thinking, if there are higher dimensions, surely there are lower ones, no? Well, I was messing with the pendulum, asking questions and stuff. Well, I asked if there are lower dimensional planes, and it said yes. I asked if we can go there, affirmative.

So... has anyone ever tried projecting into a lower dimension? What happened? I was given the answer that they're not malleable to the mind's will. You think maybe that Local III mentioned in that Robert Monroe book is a lower dimension?

ummm what about a higher demension too, could there be a possible way to go to a higher demension, if so what would you see, i mean has anyone done it? tell me and well talk about it
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T_Kman0610

sorry im a little tired ignore that last reply about the ? of higher demensions. lol [:I]
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fredhedd

i've never deliberately projected into a lower dimension but i believe robert describes them as undesirable places or something like that.  they are probably dark and gloomy and no fun.  there may even be beings there that are scary or just no fun to be around.  by all means though, explore. have fun.

WalkerInTheWoods

I am not entirely sure what you mean. I have read many accounts of people projecting into gloomy undesirable places that they refer to as the lower planes/realms. Is this what you mean?
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Risu no Kairu

No, I mean, you know, like how the Astral plane is higher than the Physical plane vibrationally (or however you want to put it). Ever tried going to one  vibrationally lower?

Why would it have horrible, evil things on it just because it's lower?
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beavis

Where is a lower dimension? If it was around here, we could probably see it because it would be a subset of our dimension.

Gandalf

There are no astral dimensions 'lower' than the physical. What is refered to as the 'lower' planes are the astral levels just above and still close to the physical level, including confused people who have recently 'died', those in comas, and slightly further up, the belief centre zones complete with all their own artificial 'heavens' and 'hells'.

At the same time, I think it is also slightly unfair to refer to the physical level as simply 'the lowest' level, as if it is the worst. I think the physical is set apart and is unique in that it contains both the best AND the worst that humanity has to offer.

Those more experienced in the Monroe school, such as Frank will tell you that he passes through these 'lower' levels on his way up to f27 and above, but doesnt spend any time there since they are generally full of all kinds of weirdos.

Those who specialise in retrievals, that is rescuing stuck individuals, can often be found on the lwer end of the astral. Ginny is one such member of this forum who does so.

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Douglas

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beavis

gandalf "it is also slightly unfair to refer to the physical level as simply 'the lowest' level, as if it is the worst."

I think it is the worst. In the others, you want something and you get it. Here you have to do a job, get old, be oppressed by the government, and lots of other crap you dont want to do. There are good parts, but they're nothing compared to astral and above.

Risu no Kairu

If it sounded like said there are Astral planes lower than here, that's not what I mean.t I meant like maybe there's another layer.


Higher than Astral
Astral
Physical
Lower than physical

Like that.

Just because it's lower, that doesn't mean you'd be able to see it.

If you're high up on the Astral, do you see Earth just because the physical plane is below it?

Just because I'm in the ocean, that doesn't mean I'll see a fish. Sure, that doesn't make sense, but it just rushed into my head and I felt I needed to say it.
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fredhedd

there are going to be negatives in the astral and any other dimension, just as there are here physically.  existence here on earth is just as, if not more meaningful than existence anywhere else.  we are all in a very unique position right now.  maybe it doesn't always seem that way because of how 'dirty' things seem to be most of the time.  

one of my main goals right now is to live as long as possible.  i want to learn as much as i can here and i know the longer i stay, the more i learn.  

i was always under the impression that we are in the lowest vibrational dimension right now.  i'm not sure where i got that from but i'm sure i didn't make it up.  we are in the third dimension.  assuming all of the existing dimensions start at one, there aren't any lower dimensions.  the first two - http://www.fractalwisdom.com/FractalWisdom/first.html
http://www.fractalwisdom.com/FractalWisdom/second.html
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shadowatcher

Maybe none of the realms (planes) are better are worse than each other, just different. So what some people enjoy most is the physical world, that is relatively a higher plane for them. In fact, most people regard this as true, because they think sleeping is a lower form of consciousness. So all the realms are different.

dino333

Wouldn't a lower dimention be the 2-D realm?

Person

I was curious about that too.
I noticed the feeling of "ascending" into the astral was a positive, going up feeling.. so once I tried the reverse.
I went from the usual near-physical level and went down both into the earth and vibrationally, vision went dark, and I started seeing faces and got a very creepy feeling.  The fear was enough for me to abort back into my body, and I've never tried again.  
Maybe I simply went to a place of lesser awareness where ghosts and comatose people go, or there was something to it.  Either way I'll let someone else explore further :)

I once heard that Wiccans believe that, instead of the physical at the bottom and each higher level having a parallel dark side, that we're actually in the middle, with gradually higher purer planes above us and the negative astral below us, neg mental, neg god-level.... scary thought.
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ralphm

Lower deminsions are probably only possible if that is what is in your head-fear, sense desires ect. Robert Monroe tells about traveling through such realms but he wasn't stuck there like the souls with the desires. I don't know if those places are actually a lower plane, just the beings there had lower demensional desires and created the place.
Once while going obe i started falling down into the earth but decided i was not gonna go there.
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PDB

I think this is an interesting thought. My view is that maybe there are lower planes, in which we actually have bodies, and maybe we're all projecting up into the physical and our lower-than-physical bodies are sleeping comfortably. So, if this was true, if we could find a way of focusing on moving one of out lower-than-physical fingers, then we would  be able to wake up in that plane. Is this possible? [?]
Don't take my word for it though, I'm really new and I know nothing about the mechanics of the different planes or anything. Just a thought that came to me.

Best,
Pablo.

brianspuk

This has been posted on another topic but might be useful to read it here.

Astral planes

This information comes from various books I've been studying, mainly Astral Dynamics, and also from personal experiences. The planes correspond in general to the layers of the aura. Above the physical world there are, first of all, two intermediate planes which are more like states of consciousness which you tend to pass thtough as you are learning to expand your awareness. The body heat level produces a strong light in a particular colour, and the etheric level is an awareness of energy, sometimes with brief visions of the surrounding scenery through closed eyelids. Then there is the real time zone which contains a reflection of the physical world. This is followed by the astral plane in which thoughts come to life. The astral is divided into 7 subplanes of which the lowest and highest are different from the others. The lowest contains a large void with very negative energy and people who are not aware of their surroundings. The highest contains a very positive environment with higher level entities who choose to operate in a physical environment. The akashic records are a side environment of the astral which acts as an information store. Above this there is the mental plane which is a very colourful kaleidoscope like environment which you can get to if you are able to enter a state of peace and harmony. Next, the buddic plane contains a force of pure unconditional love which is even harder to experience consciously. With the other planes above this, you would lose your sense of being an individual entity and therefore in theory these cannot be experienced if you with to remain as a physical being.

Plane Name Description

1  Physical plane daytime world
1A Body heat intermediate state, coloured light
1B Etheric intermediate state, electrical activity, occasional visions
1C Real time dimension physical world out of body; etheric
2  Astral dimension Dream world with 7 subplanes
2A Akashic records Library of past and future events
3  Mental plane Rainbow rivers
4  Buddhic plane White fluffy clouds and pure love
5  Atmic level No individual personalities, united with a number of lives
6  Anupadaka Everything blends and is united with everything else
7  Adi The essence of everything

Actually, the only time so far I succeeded in having a conscious oobe I got the Mental Plane as described above.  I've also experienced the body heat and etheric levels, though these are not really true planes as such.

On the subject of lower planes, I've two ideas as to what these might be.  One is the Earth Core focus levels as described by Bruce Moen, I've tried these and they produce very low frequency vibrations and so might qualify as a lower frequency plane.

The other idea is that they might represent a lower level of consciousness, for example an animal, plant or rock level of consciousness.
Brian

Risu no Kairu

Could you expound (heheheh, vocabularly word from school) on this Bruce Moen Earth Frequency stuff?

I didn't know this topic had gotten so big. :/ Way to go, me. Neglecting your own topoics.
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Mustardseed

believe me they are not what you want. The fact you are even asking about them should cause you to think .Selah
Some people never get over a visit there , I have been there trust me. It is no game.
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chupacabra

Mustardseed,

Could you describe your experience there?

This discussions remeinds me of the bothersome negative entities described in Astral Dynamics that projectors encounter in the real-time zone. While reading that I wondered, "Where do these things come from? Are they corrupted human souls? Will they ever evolve out of their present pathetic state? Is it possible to ward them off in a more gentle manner then beating the s**t out of them with an astral sword?"

Thoughts anyone?
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Risu no Kairu

So, I was thinking, if there are higher dimensions, surely there are lower ones, no? Well, I was messing with the pendulum, asking questions and stuff. Well, I asked if there are lower dimensional planes, and it said yes. I asked if we can go there, affirmative.

So... has anyone ever tried projecting into a lower dimension? What happened? I was given the answer that they're not malleable to the mind's will. You think maybe that Local III mentioned in that Robert Monroe book is a lower dimension?
I need a signature that isn't stupid. :/