My First Conscious Projections Were Accidental

[astral traveler]

my first conscious projections were accidental at the age of 14.  after experiencing them, i later engaged in research how to willfully trigger them through cause and effect methods.

much focus should be placed upon simply becoming conscious of the astral projections which already occur.  we commonly forget our astral projections, much like we forget our dreams.  and there are still other times when we may fail to identify a projection which we had due to lack of familiarity.

[+Explorer+]

nice I wish I had a spontaneous projection too.

[Starvingpercussionist]

All of my projections so far have been spontaneous. 

[Someone here]

Same I had one where I remember looking at my blinds in my bedroom. I was like, "Wat the hell am I doing here?"
BAM! Slammed back into my body! Felt like someone slapped me across my face 

[ka0s]

Hmm I am going to disagree with you on this one Astral traveler, not to be a devils advocate. I disagree with you in the fact that we often forget our projections. There comes a point for me atleast where each experience is vivid enough to recall most of the details. I think there are ways to increase your dream recall too, such as buying a recorder, etc: which helps you get in the practice of remembering dreams/or OBE's. Some of my earlier experiences at the age of 16 I remember as clear as day. At the same time they were also spontaneous like yours and not planned by any means. Unfortunately they were not genuine experiences, as they were occuring when I was taking Ambien for my sleep problems. I did not have genuine experiences until after the age of 18 and even then it was a regressed versions of the ones i experienced at the age of 16.

I also learned how to willfully trigger them--but it also depends on what kind of day I want to have. Often if I project several times in one morning I will be mentally exhausted most of the day. I can have several OBE's each week, or I will not have any for a month or two. It depends on my schedule and what all is going on in my life.

I agree its important to be conscious of the astral projection. It is also very important to have a goal or intent for your experiences (which we discussed in a previous thread).  Once you get to a level where the first thing you do when OBE is recognize your OBE, then I would say you have exercised a level of consciousness which validates the experience itself.

[CFTraveler]

Hmm I am going to disagree with you on this one Astral traveler, not to be a devils advocate. I disagree with you in the fact that we often forget our projections. There comes a point for me atleast where each experience is vivid enough to recall most of the details. I think there are ways to increase your dream recall too, such as buying a recorder, etc: which helps you get in the practice of remembering dreams/or OBE's. Some of my earlier experiences at the age of 16 I remember as clear as day. At the same time they were also spontaneous like yours and not planned by any means. Unfortunately they were not genuine experiences, as they were occuring when I was taking Ambien for my sleep problems. I did not have genuine experiences until after the age of 18 and even then it was a regressed versions of the ones i experienced at the age of 16.

I also learned how to willfully trigger them--but it also depends on what kind of day I want to have. Often if I project several times in one morning I will be mentally exhausted most of the day. I can have several OBE's each week, or I will not have any for a month or two. It depends on my schedule and what all is going on in my life.

I agree its important to be conscious of the astral projection. It is also very important to have a goal or intent for your experiences (which we discussed in a previous thread).  Once you get to a level where the first thing you do when OBE is recognize your OBE, then I would say you have exercised a level of consciousness which validates the experience itself.

I disagree with your initial assertions, kaos.  When you start projecting on purpose you're adding a different level of consciousness to an experience that is naturally unconscious.  The reason that you suffer more energetically when you consciously project is because it takes energy and brainpower to stay 'on' in this process.  So if you project spontaneously you will not have the drain you have when you work up a trance state and stay 'on' when the fun begins.
And if you do this long enough you find that you go to places that you know you've been before, because you retrieve the memories of the past visits when in the right frequency state, showing that there's lots of memories that are lost when the projections are unconscious.

[astral traveler]

nice I wish I had a spontaneous projection too.

i suggest that pre-disposed conditioning can be set in place.

[astral traveler]

All of my projections so far have been spontaneous. 

[astral traveler]

Same I had one where I remember looking at my blinds in my bedroom. I was like, "Wat the hell am I doing here?"
BAM! Slammed back into my body! Felt like someone slapped me across my face 

lolol.

[astral traveler]

Hmm I am going to disagree with you on this one Astral traveler, not to be a devils advocate. I disagree with you in the fact that we often forget our projections. There comes a point for me atleast where each experience is vivid enough to recall most of the details. I think there are ways to increase your dream recall too, such as buying a recorder, etc: which helps you get in the practice of remembering dreams/or OBE's. Some of my earlier experiences at the age of 16 I remember as clear as day. At the same time they were also spontaneous like yours and not planned by any means. Unfortunately they were not genuine experiences, as they were occuring when I was taking Ambien for my sleep problems. I did not have genuine experiences until after the age of 18 and even then it was a regressed versions of the ones i experienced at the age of 16.

I also learned how to willfully trigger them--but it also depends on what kind of day I want to have. Often if I project several times in one morning I will be mentally exhausted most of the day. I can have several OBE's each week, or I will not have any for a month or two. It depends on my schedule and what all is going on in my life.

I agree its important to be conscious of the astral projection. It is also very important to have a goal or intent for your experiences (which we discussed in a previous thread).  Once you get to a level where the first thing you do when OBE is recognize your OBE, then I would say you have exercised a level of consciousness which validates the experience itself.

so how would you know that you don't actually forget many of your projections?

[astral traveler]

When you start projecting on purpose you're adding a different level of consciousness to an experience that is naturally unconscious.  The reason that you suffer more energetically when you consciously project is because it takes energy and brainpower to stay 'on' in this process.  So if you project spontaneously you will not have the drain you have when you work up a trance state and stay 'on' when the fun begins.
And if you do this long enough you find that you go to places that you know you've been before, because you retrieve the memories of the past visits when in the right frequency state, showing that there's lots of memories that are lost when the projections are unconscious.

i believe that this makes perfect sense.  i personally don't recall any sense of being de-energized after my own projections, unless i was but didn't make the connection.

[ka0s]

If your looking to be technical or sneaky: sure I dont remember all of my projections. Some people would consider each dream itself a projection. All i can say is that I record all of my induced projections. I am sure there are some that go missed but I have gotten in the habit of recording once returning/physically awakening.

[astral traveler]

Some people would consider each dream itself a projection.

well, we're not necessarily out-of-body during every dream.