OBE and Phasing: the real connection

[clandestino]

Hi major Tom !

This is definitely an area where there is no consensus of opinion. It raises a few questions in my mind...How do we distinguish and define the differences between RTZ and "astral" projection ? Are these real differences or just perceived ? Does the RTZ exist seperately from the astral?

IMO, the RTZ is a kind of "staging post" within the astral...the further away you travel from your body, the more differences between physical / RTZ can be identified. Perhaps during a traditional OBE (spontaneous or not) the mind believes your "2nd body" will end up in a particular place (e.g. your room) and so it creates this within the astral.

The problem with my view, is how can we reconcile it with people who claim to have verified the RTZ, e.g. by using the card experiment ? This would suggest that the RTZ is distinct from the astral.

[Rastus]

I've seen numerous accounts of peoples OOBE's that started as RTZ then sort or morphed into AP.  Just look at pictures/posters and mirrors.  Perhaps staying in the RTZ is difficult without an Anchor (your body laying there), and people get lost on a journey and slip into an alternate Astral reality?  I've had numerous "normal OOBE's" that defintely slipped into AP's because its hard to stay focused on the RTZ.  Pretty much when I start doing things I can't do in the physical world everything sort of goes wierd(er) []

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In my earlier projections I have often seen hypnagogic pictures in the following, I have to say, suspicious order:

1. faint, fleeting thought-like pictures of faces, objects, etc. (everyone see this type of imagery at sleep onset)

2. stable pictures of two kinds (exlusive for LDs/APs/OBEs)
a.) close sights of abstract-organic pictures in fluid motion
b.) passive hovering, drifting above various landscapes

3. glimpses of the room I have been slept in from various perspectives outside of my body (this is the last stage before an "OBE" occurs)

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My method was something that you may would like to call phasing, passively observing sleep as it progress - which technically is a WILD (or WIOBE?).

I've observed that "lucid dreaming" is very likely after the process has reached the 2nd stage. I've concluded the first stage as something that has to do with the process of shutting down my brain and its ability to process memories, while the second and third stage as brief dreaming sequences. Sometimes I was able to jump into the pictures of the stage 2b but was unable to hold them for more than a minute.

It was seemed to me that pictures of the 3rd stage is generally no different from 2b, therefore just before the feeling of separation takes place I have to jump into some pictures that portrayed my bedroom!

The 2a stage and especially the exact order of the stages was a great mystery for me. I was thought that they were special dreams. Now, I see things a little different.

2a pictures might be some kind of visual interpretations of my system in work from an "inner perspective." Perhaps this stage happens when my consciousness abandon its identification with the body. Could it be the exact point where I get into OB? I don't think so.

It seems to me that in reality a typical, non-RTZ projection occurs "from the opposite direction" than we expected. If you like it, you could say that we're outside of our body all the time. When identification with our body is ceased by the onset of sleep, somwhere  around the hypnagogic state. I think hypnagogia with 2b pictures mark the state we start to operate, normally "unconsciously", from an almost non-local point of view, supposedly by an energy field which "hover above the land" and penetate other energy fields: places & peoples whom we are emotionally connected with. This is the intermediate state between OBE & dreaming, somwhere around F21.

Basically our brain & body are more likely to serve as some kind of lens to our Higher Self in order to localise and further specialise its perception. However, partly because our memories are stored in the physical brain (and bioplasm body) and because they not just have to be linearly reorganised for remembrance but they have to be linked to our previous experiences, we are unable to understand our HS's as it is. All in all, we have no memories of that existence.

Due to this conflict, we are hoplessly bound to our localised perception and we are forced to choose our body as reference just before we gain full controll of an ongoing OB-like state. In this regard, typical "OBEs" seem to be the poor man's phasing.

[Rastus]

Now you've got me thinking (always dangerous).  I've always had problems with "traditional" OOBe's.  But "phasing" seems to be how I have most of my AP's.  I just sort of stare off into infinity (In good ole Astral Vision) then it's like a power zoom in.  Is this phasing?  

I know of several healing techniques where I'm sure I'm phasing (astrally cleaning Aura's comes to mind, even though I use my physical hands, theres a lot of energy flying around)

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quote:How do you switrch from 1 to 2a? I find that to be the most difficult transition.

Indeed. I think it is mostly out of our control. Seems like the most important thing we're able to do is to carefully managing our sleep architecture. However, the 1->2a transition seems to coincide with F10-F12 change, so the mistery should be lie in shifting activity from the solar plexus regio to the middle and upper part of the chest. Muscles have to be profoundly relaxed previous to the shift because it will result in sympathetic activation.

quote:At which exact point a classic OBE occurs I'm rally not sure. I can't slow the down the procss enough yet with regards to classical OBE to be able to twell which fous levels are involved exactly.

I believe there is no such point. Even if one can induce paralysis at will, the resulted OBE-state will depend upon the direction of the sensory feedback one establish with the environment before internal projection. One can separate etherically from F10, split consciousnes into the RTZ at around F12 or project into the dream states at around F21 from F10.

quote:2b is the astral visual screen which has to be past through by phasing. Do you experience it as "hovering" over it?

I used to do. For me it was not like a screen at all. Perhaps the "3D darkness" correspond to an another type of hypnagogia I have been observed but forget to mention in my previous post. This stage is somwhere around 2a & 2b (?) but it is in the 2nd stage for sure (let's called to "8c appendix"). In this state sky plays dominant role, sometimes with the background of stars & moon, or the Sun. Sometimes I have seen the sky through unknown windows. Also there is a great feeling of expansion. I still have no idea what does it mean, it could be personal or my heavily interpreted version of the 3D blackness. Again, my method is not phasing anymore, it has took a dreamy turn so to speak (seems I'm in upstream).

I think 2b is already after the "astral screen." It's like a very brief OBE flying above cities and meadows. It could be alternated with the sense of being in the body (perhaps paralell processing of sensory informational occurs at that point, and memories about alternated locales are only some conflict of linear recollection. To prove the opposite one could take mental notes in one stage on the other).

Hovever, I'm not sure that 2b is already the astral, because phasing into the astral through 2b could be acccomplished by two manner. You could "see through your closed eyes" somewhere between F12 & 21 into the RTZ (2b/1...hehe sorry) or you could wake up in your astral bedroom (the personal landing unit projected into F22 by your uncosncious expectatations of still being in your bedroom) which is indeed in the "astral" and may correspond to 2b/2. Somwhere between 2b/1 & 2b/2 should be the state where astral screen is shows up if we don't loose consciousness at the transition from F21 to F22, which seems hard because it's associated to the natural start of dreaming.

We could call the latter (2b/2) as "phasing through closed eyes" in the sense that an internal dissociation of consciousness is required to project above the bioplasmic layer. This internal mindsplit is called trance / hypnosis. One part of your being should be asleep (in F10) while an another part is detached and observe the process, evantually regain awareness in F12 as a projeactable double. The internal mindsplit occurs between those consciousness center which projected upon the body image above and below the diaphragm as navel chakra & heart chakra respectively. As you may already suspect F21 is associated with the top of the head.

[Jarthur]

This is an interesting thread.  The book that Adrian provided a link for in the sticky subject, Max Heindel's "Cosmo Conception" is a source of a lot of information on the subject. Much of it is based on Egyptian tradition.

I go along with Heindel's idea that the body used in the RTZ is actually the spiritual part of the etheric body. The RTZ body, at the time of projection, is not generated as a copy of the physical exactly but is divided from the etheric body. One part, the most physical or "gross" part, stays with the physical to provide the necessary vital impetus to keep it alive and a part of consciousness stays with it as well.

The more spiritual or "volatile" part, is divided from the gross and provides the vehicle to explore the corresponding manifestation of the world.

According to Heindel's mythology, man arrived at his present physical state through the help of higher beings who interceded at different times during involution to produce a separation of the vehicle that was most highly developed at the time, this separation being necessary for further evolution of the indwelling spirit.

According to that system, humanity is now at a stage where we must take our own evolution in hand and the separation of the etheric body, an almost exact duplicate of the beautifully evolved and efficient physical body, is our objective. This will allow a step by step ascending of the priciples of this body which represents our individuality into ever higher spheres of action.

I think that phasing is possibly a direct means of accessing the astral, bypassing the etheric step. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to skip that step. In effect, it is a renouncing of our Earth heritage which is a source of enormous power in all other dimensions.

That is, not the body but the principle of the body which is a highly evolved, painfully aquired vehicle for the Ego. I think that principle still remains when phasing but it's much weaker.

Feel free to tear all this apart if you like.

[Jarthur]

Hey Major Tom,

The idea that bodies are a habit of the mnd is a valid one and basically, I think, it can't be disputed. Nor is the physical body exempt if we accept the reality for example of remote viewing.

In fact, there's no reason to stop there. Since consciousness can be a point with no dimensions, that consciousness is only affected by the environment insofar as it accepts it's reality. It can't be affected in any way by it if it chooses not to be. The environment is a habit of the mind as well.

What you're left with is that we are a point of consciousness with no dimensions adrift in a void with no boundaries. The response to that after a while would be: let's get some warm bodies in a smokey bar going.

Basically in my opinion, phasing is a regressive re-creation while projecting is a progressive co-creation. But y'all take that with a hefty dose of salt and I reserve the right to change my opinion without notice.

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quote:I'm able to get into deep a relaxation or body detachment from the upper torso occasioannly. This appears to coicince with being very much "in one's head". Sort of bodyless. It seems to be an extended form of focus 10 which for me is a state where there is an overall sensory redution in sense input (with the except of auditory and visual input). But, in this extended focus 10, there does not seem to be any awareness of breathing or swallowing. Hoever, the blackness is still simply black (which would indicate to me the visual senses are still operational).

If my interpretation of the results of an FFT analysis somone had done on F12 is correct, then centers associated to 400Hz & 500Hz carriers are seem to meant to be active, corresponding to the chakras of heart & neck respectively (according to the homeophetic frequency chart @ http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm).

Focusing on the neck could yield some very visual experiences, but you have to forget your body after the neck-focus is set (generally we have to forget our body above F10 at least for moments to successfully "change" between them). You could try the neck trick in luxus sleep when you doze on and off.

quote:I think it's fairly close to focus 12 or 2a in your terms, but as you say, it seems hard to consciously get there, and it is even hard to unconsciously get there.

It makes sense to me that getting unconsciously into F12 is even harder than doing it consciously. The hearth chakra (and associated RTZ-OBE) is seems somewhat out of the route from the natural process of sleep. I think the bioplasm/solar plexus state (similar to F10) serve as natural commutator to dreaming (which is somewhat associated with the neck).

quote:focus 10 has nothing to do with focus 12

Totally agree. I'm in firm believe (which may not good) that there is no such thing that shift from F10 to F12. Consciousness had to split for that transition. One part of the consciousness remain still and passive in F10 so doesn't disrupt the other parts (not identical!) that become active in F12. In the case of regular sleep, consciousness may first split into dreaming from the F10-like bioplasmic state for dreaming. (Only after, of course, homeostatic sleep need is satisfied. Up until that point hypnagogia will substitue the first REM-sleep at around the 1st stage of sleep).

Directly and consciously entering into REM-sleep often occurs through a window like structure. I may see my dream body before the frozen picture of a street or something, but I have to trick myslef into believing that indeed I could and will move that body. If I fail I'll wake up by a jerk. In the case of F12 or more likely in the state of its natural apt I feel a massive support beneath me, so there is little chance to fall back. It is not, by all means paralysis, but could be an entirely different direction of my awareness than I'm accustomed to.

quote:seems that tha is waht I'm doing when getting images in focus 10..staright to focus 21. But only semi-lucid during them. To be fully lucid would be easier from focus 12.

I think I've succesfully cracked TMI's Gateway series at around 2000. What TMI seems to do with F10 is establishing a state close to the prestate of dreaming (~ sleep stage #2), the state where normally bioplasm body would expand. However, activity of consciousness center which required to bioplasm separation (projected on our body image at the regio of solar plexus) is supressed by the binaural stimulus 250[4.0] (exclusively in "advanced F10" which looks like a prep for Focus 12).

In fact, again, according to the FFT (and no interpretation is needed in this case), the audio pattern of F12 is composed from the audio pattern of F10 + upper torso activation + a tone looks like an attempt to prohibit regular/emotional/compensatory dreaming and further balance average brain activity within the alpha/theta range.

It is interesting to note, that there are two F10 variations: "Advanced F10" & "Exploration Sleep." Both of them seem unnatural from ordinary sleep states, albeit in different manner. "Advanced F10" will shift main activity from the bioplasm center to the Hara by the binaural stimulus 200[4.0] (again, according to my interpretation of the FFT analysis). Also, 250[4.0] will keep activity of the bioplasm center around its average level & supress REM-sleep indirectly through its upper harmonics (@500Hz). The 200[4.0] could be an attempt to extrude consciousness from the bioplasm body into F12, because Hara is the lower candidate of the heart chakra due to their exact harmonic relashionship (200 Hz & 400 Hz respectively...the third memeber of that triad is the brow @ around 800Hz). Hara also have to do something with the sleep paralysis.

On the other hand, the "Exploration Sleep" version seems directly supress the dream center by binaural stimulus 500[4.0], but let bioplasm expansion to unfold (no stimulus @ 250Hz), so "rolling out slowly" and "flying upwards" or somethin like that could become possible without the hallucinatory intrusion of ordinary dreams. Seems like guys @ TMI plays their cards very well within the limits of the binaural technology. I wonder what they could do today - after more than 30 years!

quote:What do you make of the dream-like images such as those in focus 10 however? Almost seems as if they are dream-like because once mind is not fully not alligned with them. Hence, perhap, they are experienced semi-lucid and one is not full alert during them. I wonder whether when these images are experienced more lucid that the 3D effect of focus 12 is not far around the corner. Almost as if one has to allign oneself with them.

We see those pictures only for brief seconds. As we realise we see them they disappear. I think, those pictures are primarly sensed by that part of our consciousness which is at the other side of the membrane at around F12. However, the part of our consciousness which is reflected in the bioplasm body is still active, that is two set of consciousness try to operate at the same time. The result: F12 experiences will be overwritten by F10. "Advanced F10" seems hamper imagery by 250[4.0]. The bioplasm "body" (the "body who dream" the "astral body") is also can be used as temporal carrier of consciousness in "etheric projections."

I going to correct the stage numbers in my previous posts, because I've seem to lost in them. Edit: 2b1=3a / 2b2=3b. Maybe I should draw a picture...

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I've hoped it will raise your curiosity, Tom, because I was planned to write something about brainwave stimulation and chakras. You've trigger my lazyness into action. I think this is the thread. If my hypothesis below is true, my interpretations from my previous post could enhance your practice!  

FFT (Fast Furier Transformation) is a tool to get the spectrum of any signal as a frequency-domain representation. By applying FFT analysis on the TMI materials one can identify the exact frequencies from which those materials are composed. I have used the FFTA of someone else to draw my conclusions (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~noromaas/bwg-list/2000-04.htm). Later I was able to get some mp3 versions, unfortunately, mosty in joint stereo which ruins binaurals. But they were enough to realise that the FFT data I was used is not perfect. So the following hypothesis could be wrong, but so beautiful! I know that they are various methods like harmonic box and other, so this hypothesis could be also covered. But there is still a chance that is it new. Anyway, this project is far out of date because I'm not interested in binaural technologies anymore.

The audio patterns of Gateway Focuses are composed from 3-7 (8 or more?) pairs of sinus tones. Each par of sinus waves forms a carrier of a given binaural frequency (BF). For example the pair of 198Hz & 202Hz tones make the binaural stimulus of 4Hz (=202-198). The site where I've find the FFT analysis marked this BF as 200[4.0], a notation I kept so far. Another notations for the same stimulus is 4Hz @ 200. I was tought you know this and could follow my analysis.
For example "Exploaration Sleep" is composed from 3 pairs of sinus waves: 100[4.0] + 300[4.0] + 500[4.0], (4Hz @ 1,3,5K). This is a very simple construction, all carrier's amplitudos (volumes) are set equal to a level that is greatly above the noise profile.

"Advanced F10" is more complex: 100[1.5] + 200[4.0] + 250[4.0] + 300[4.0], but not so as F12 which is composed from F10 + two alfa stimulus (BF=10.0 & 10.1Hz) + one theta (4.8 Hz).

"Advanced F10" and especially F12, F15 and F21 feed our brains with various different BFs at the same time. Here it is, the very skeleton of the TMI Gateway focus constructions (some tricks are not mentioned like attempts to breath regulations @50Hz by carrier amplitudo modulation):

F10 - 102[4.0], 302[4.0], 502 4.0]                                                          
F10 - 102[4.0], 412[4.0], 502[4.0],
F10 - 102[4.0], 302[4.0], 498[4.0]
F10 - 100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0]                                                                                                                                  
F12 - 100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 400[10.0], 500[10.1], 600[4.8]
F15 - 100 [1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 500[7.05], 630[7.1], 750[7.0]
F21 & F22 - 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 600[16.2], 750[15.9], 900[16.2]
F23 - 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[3.9], 900[4.0]
F24 - 50[0.75], 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F25 - 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F26 & F27 - 400[3.9], 503[4.2], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]

I've been spent months speculating on this raw data. As someone mentioned (perhaps who have done the original FFTA) that the mystery lies not in the theta/delta mix of binaurals but rather in the exact chosement of the carrier frequencies. As you can see, the carrier frequencies are multiples of 50 and 100Hz but there are some exceptions too (in the case of F15: 100, 200, 250, 300, 500, 630, 750 is used - 630 is out of the order). The reason of this multiplication is simple: BSs are inaffective above 30Hz (determined by the diameter of the scull), but the distance between the stave of the 50Hz and 100Hz scaled ladder is still greater than 30 even after adding or drawing BF/2.

You can also see a trend that higher BFs are carried by higer frequencies (in the case of F21: BF=4.0 is carried @ 200 but 16.2 @ 900). So I've got the idea that higher carriers target higher brain structures that are being more close to the cortex. One day I've found the following frequency table:

bin / audible / body - comment                           
16.4   526   1052   top of head -      spirit, liberation, transcendence   
15.4   492   984   cortex   -      intelligence   
13.8   440   880   frontal lobes -       the seventh sense, final decision   
12.3   393   787   eyes -          visualization   
10.7   342   685   ears -          hearing, formal concepts   
10.3   329   658   nasal passages -       breathing, taste
9.19   294   588   upper lip -       emotions, conflict resolution   
8.22   263   526   mouth -          speech, creativity
7.69   246   492   shoulders -       strength of the arms, expansion, teaching
6.88   220   440   collarbones -       vitality, overall balance, stability   
6.15   197   393   heart -          love, warmth   
5.35   171   342   lungs -          oxygen, heat   
5.14   165   329   stomach -       emotional acceptance   
4.60   147   294   spleen, blood -       emotional impulse
4.11   132   263   kidneys -          strength,
3.84   110   220   ovaries -          vitality, life at every level   
3.07   98.4   197   hara -          3cm or 1.5 in. below navel, balance of pelvis
2.67   85.5   171   intestines       
2.57   82.3   165   bladder       
2.30   73.6   147   genitals   
2.06   65.8   132   coccyx   

Considering the fact that we use headphones it is obvious that tones aren't affect our body directly. However, as you can see, there aren't so many mentions of brain structures in the table (except at the top, cortex). So I've figured out that body parts and functions in question are targeted and activated through those thalamocortical loops which hold their reverberation/operational frequencies at values featured in the 2nd table.

The first row show the intrinsic, average (binaural) frequency one can assign to a given body part or set of functions. The next two rows show the carrier frequencies (lower and upper harmonics respectively). Generaééy, they are effective per se, but TMI seems to use the upper harmonic scale, sometimes both of them at the same time (could be an inevitable artifact). For example 10.7 @ 342 will do the same as 10.7 @ 685 - which is basically nothing. Nothing because the binaural frequency in question (10.7Hz) is not different from the intrinsic value assigned to the targeted body part 'ears.'

Therefore, for example, if you want increase the activity of your "heart chakra" you may chose a carrier close to 197Hz (or 393Hz). If you set BF below 6.15 Hz  then heart chakra will be supressed. If you choose a greater value than 6.15 then heart chakra will be activated. The latter is the case what TMI seems to do by F12. They use 400[10.0] which will activate the heart by a factor ~10.0/6.15 (a rough guess of course). In theory, we could target any centers and set they activites similarly as we use the sliders of an equaliser. The adjusted systems will effect body physiology accordingly to their functions and feed back to the consciousness centers whom which they are part of it. Below is the original picture I draw as a summary:

[image]http://www.uploadimages.net/images/222371TMIF10-21.jpg[/image]

However, this is not so simple - for example, one cannot activate these centers independently from each other, because they are interconnected in many levels - some of these levels transcend physiology. Also, the relative intensities (overall volume profile) of the carriers are equally important because greater volumes may have greater impact and could imbalance feedback. If our binaural construction doesn't match to any existing brain states then it will not work. The brain is indeed very plastic and able to form new connections (the conception behind binaural brain stimulation) but there are states which are still impossible to attain. Properly chosed binaural frequencies, carriers and their amplitudos have to meet to form a working key. Even peoples in TMI have chosed the parameters by reverse enginering of EEGs have been derived from talented subjects. However, there is still a hope that someone able to construct a working OBE-preset by simply considering the informations above.

Basically my hypothesis on "chakras" is the following: as we move upward along the neurotaxis (from brainstem to cortex) we'll likely to find innerconencted neuron assemblies (working as adjustable frequency generators) serving as biological parts of various consciousness centers projected as chakras along the spine. For example, activation of your solar plexus chakra (by 6.0 @ 250) will result in increased activity in that part of your brain that's responsible for your tactile sense of your navel regio. Those neurons will activate that parts of your brain which works together as the biological components of your navel chakra. Of course chakras have real 3D acceptor-structures in our bodies like endocrine glands, nerves and bands of collective tissues channeling light in the visible spectrum. This acceptor structures designed for the F10-like bioplasm field which could be the last having real 3D (macro)structures (acceptors for F12-like fields).

If you focus on your navel local bioplasm density will increase in that regio activating the parasympathetic nerve ganglions of your plexus solaris, the most important vegetative center in the body, also called abdominal brain. The effector nerves originated from that plexus will decrease blood pressure and muscle tension causing relaxation. This why I so serious about focusing on the solar plexus through localised breathing. The nerve plexuses in your body, the neuron assemblies in your brain and the remaining non-biological parts of the consciousness center of the "navel chakra" form together a functional unit. This is the real navel chakra. The feeling and subtle sight on that regios as a vortex is only one projection of its multidimensionality. Its body parts control digestion and cause relaxatation, its energetic parts control consciousness in a F10-like fields of bioplasm, and its brain parts serve as interface between them by sustain the required neurophysical reverberation & coherence. Sounds cool. But is it the truth?

quote:I understand the purpose of the beta signals in focus 10 (to keep one alert), but perhaps for some reason the increased beta signals of 12 are associated with another perceptual window opening up. Does that make sense to you?

Yes it does. However, as you can see above, there is no beta signal either in F10 nor in F12 (only in F21). Alfa BFs of 10.0 & 10.1 are used in F12 to activate those centers of consciousness which are projected on the body image as "heart chakra" & "neck chakra" to open up that perceptual window onto RTZ & non-personal, lower dream states. Also 4.8 @ 600 is used supposedly in order to inhibit regular dreaming and hinder unintentional slipping out of RTZ by sealing the consciousness axis just above the collective dream territories. Hitting the 6K centers with BF=4.8 would decrese its activity to 52% (4.8/9.19) which supposedly is at around its lowest possible values. This center correspond to the regio of upper lip and functions as emotions & conflict resolution according to the second table. The center corresponding to 500Hz and the realm between RTZ-OBEs & regular dreams is stimulated. This could greatly facilitate the double's mobility through manoeuvres like "stratching" or "zooming" in this transitory realm. This could be the edge of space as we know it where spatial decondensation of the energy body is significant. This is, still a hypothesis, of course.

[Rastus]

Should I be scared that I understand that?  Dam minor in Electrical Engineering []

I wonder what affect could be achieved by dumping headphones and going with 5.1 sound?  I mean you could add percieved rotation to the sounds, and aren't Chakras suppossed to spin in vortices?  Is there anywhere for angular velocites in the equations?

Hmmmm, I need to ponder this deeper.  With 5 sound sources plus subwoofer.....  I mean you could try and stimulate on the front speakers and suppress on the back?  Maybe a gentle fade to try and "pull" you out?  A true 360 degree rotation to try and induce the falling effect?  So many possibilities!

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Go for it, Rastus! Perhaps one could use three EM-emitter to build up spatial interference patterns in order to stimulate the anatomical locations of chakras. In his project, Shakti, Persinger attempted to stimulate the brain directly by week, EEG-derived magnetic signals http://www.innerworlds.50megs.com/shakti/index.htm - as opposed to the binaural stimulation which is indirect and purely sonic. But our mind is superior.... (or I just have no many?)

MajorTom wrote:

quote: have jogged some memories from a course in psychofysiology that is somewhere far in the back of my mind

Are you in the business too? Somehow I was in the belief that you are an enginer...

quote:It's an interesting idea to relate carrier waves to particular brain structures, which in turn are related to different sections of the body and correspondig chakra's. That's what you are doing right?

Exactly.

quote:Do you know what the basis is for relating these higher frequencies to specific body parts, or corresponding brain regions?

To simplify a little: The carrier frequencies are processed in the thalamus where all the other sensory information is meet. Different tones stimulate different neuron groups which are supposed to connected to different systems of sensory processing. Again, this is a great simplification. Due to the fact that every neuronal assembly has a specific frequency of operation where maximal resonance occurs, some frequency could elicit specific responses.

The brain is heavily "impregnated" by its auditory processing system. Hearing occurs in a wide frequency range compared to other senses. It seems to be an universal sense, most independent from the brain compared to other senses. I think, by hearing we could escape from our brain. Not only inner noises could turn to "outers", signals from the astral, but, for example, by observing the low-frequency sounds of the landscape around one can expand their awareness into his environment. One of my ongoing project is stabilizing OBEs by opening the gate of hearing and concentrating noises around me. I hope that noises are genuine sources of direct sensory information by which the energy body could reinforce its connections with the environment, preventing its desincronisation, one of the main reason of premature awakening.

quote:That is, is there such a connection? How and where was that data observed?

If you like physiology I advise you the following descriptors for a Google search: thalamocortical loop, resonance (not tested). My current favorite scientific (?) author is Matti Pitkanen. http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/ Look for his writings about quantum biology & semi trance. Soon his name will be show up on T-shirts (I hope that he will still alive...)

I'll definately look furtehr into it, to see whether stimulation or relaxation fo certain body parts, will increase the effectiveness of the tapes.

Yes, that could be the perfect practical application. I'll send some links I've found useful. You know the theory and own the tapes. What more one should want?

[upstream]

Mind enginer? That could be stressful.

links & some old notes


1. links:
- meeting the dead Monore in F23 http://www.monroeinstitute.org/memberships/members_section/voyagers/voyages/personal-sylviainc-grieve.html
- chat with Skip Atwater, research director of TMI http://members.tripod.com/~TMIVoyagers/skip.htm
- PREP Session Physiological Monitoring http://www.monroeinstitute.org/research/J&J.html
- transcript of a PREP session (haven't find yet)


2. [focus level - "official" description - my notes]

F10 - "mind awake, body asleep" - mind barely awake, body is in slumber (similar to sleep stage #1,2)
F12 - "expanded awareness" - mind is very focused or absorbed in hypnagogics, body asleep (no feelings of) (somewhat anomalous state)
F15 - "no time" - no idea of mine
F21, F22 - "other energy systems", "edge of pace time" (?) - mind highly active, body asleep (definately REM-sleep)
F23 - "recently excited humans" - mind and body is asleep (consiousness is active but detached from the sleeping brain - NREM sleep)
F24 - belief system territories - "primitive" tribal beliefs ??
F25 - belief system territories - chatolics and other organised belief systems ??
F26 - belief system territories - modern, "hollywood" belief systems ??
F27 - The Park / Reception Center - the state wherefrom wanna-be higher selves fishing for their fragments that have been trapped inside the belief systems territories


3. an attempt to compare focus states with sleep states:

one sleep cycle:
[image]http://img1.uploadimages.net/595149scycles.jpg[/image]

a typical nightly sleep as being composed from various sleep cycles:
[image]http://img1.uploadimages.net/659723sstages.gif[/image]

> waking state, TMI C1
> stage#1 - you try to relax, could be similar to TMI F3, F10
> hypnagogia - rapid transition through various states from the Higher Self to F12 (reversed!) - OR - REM-sleep/dreaming in F22 (when need for deep sleep is satisfied or anomalous SOREMP occurs due to sleep interruption or attack of narclolepsy)
> stage#1 (again!...if homeostatic sleep need is satisfied) -  you regain consciousness after dreaming or you wake up from hypnagogics...you feel yourself somewhat frustrated because you lost your "trance".... you turn on your side and impassively release some angry farts by mere frustration - Fault! this is the best state to get into action by silence & intending because your consciousness is still dispersed between various focus states: changing focus levels along the consciousness axis (perceiving through the local devices by turning your attention to the proper direction), you can reenter into dreams, download information through hypnopompic books, etc.
> stage#2 - short transitional stage between the double (hovering inside and above the physical body in F10/F12) and the dream body (which is dreamed by the double and "projected" into your "astral bedroom" around F22) - OR - dream projections based on false awakenings at around F21/F22 and reentering into regular dreams with full awareness
> stage#3 - real "astral projections" from F23 to ?
> stage#4 - "deep astral projections", returning to the Source
> stage#3 - transmission of unexplainable experiences
> stage#2 - further transmission of unexplainable experiences
> stage#1 - preparing to the first/next REM-period
first "regular" REMP - final transcription of "astral experiences" through dream insights
...sleep cycles (and adventures) are continuing...

To extrude consciousness by the Gateway system, I think, it is very important to apply Focus tapes/CDs in successive order. F10 focuses it in the Hara, F12-F21 push it from the chest to the top of the head (see curves of the diagram at the bottom of the previous page).

[upstream]

Ok Tom, good luck to you and everyone. I hope we'll get what we want without doing harm in our real selves. Please report your experiences as they unfold.

I'm going to stand here for a while to post some summarizing pictures about phasing/OBE and perhaps some technique currently I'm on.

[Pauli2]

I must say this is one of the most scientific threads I've seen at AP.

For the interested there is also this German site with Monroe Focus levels: http://www.geistigenahrung.org/ftopic66147.html

I found some more info on the Hemi-Sync frequencies here -> http://www.mind-gate.com/OBE/sound/7117.html
Some German used the software tool around 2003, I copy part of it below:

F3 - 59[1.2], 110[1.3], 288[3.7]

What is surprising is that Focus 21 & 22, and Focus 26 & 27 use same Hemi-Sync sound. Could that mean that these Focus Levels actually are at the same place? Skip Atwater has also mentions that there exists a Focus 33 (_not_ 34/35!) in this youtube clip -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohM-_tG8vx0

[Pauli2]

Interesting, according to TMI, Hemi-Sync to induce transfer to levels above Focus 21, needs gamma waves:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/wiki/index.php/Comments_On_Human_Auditory_Steady_State_Responses_To_Binaural_And_Monaural_Beats

"...all Focus Levels above F-21 use gamma stimulation within the Hemi-Sync mix."

[Xanth]

I think that all they're saying there is that the hemi-sync signal is in the gamma hrtz... not the resulting brain waves.
At least that's how I read it.

[Major Tom]

That was fun to read again. I almost had forgotten how crazy that eastern european engineer was.

We had some great discussions, although of course, most of the time I had no clue what he was talking about.

Haven't heard from Upstream in a long time. He's probably doing something you don't want to know about.