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« on: January 16, 2013, 23:25:44 »

I know genetics and the astral body or soul are separate things. But, there must be some sort of relation in some form? Like would a more pure complex being have more Fibonacci or pi based ratios genetically? (More beautiful?) I only say this cause I've had a heavy curiosity about it. Like, if we chose our situation, as bad as this sounds, wouldn't everybody choose to be beautiful? As for the reverse. I see some beautiful people who don't seem very *spiritually or ethically..good..but they get all the perks...

I am rambling but I'm hoping someone can decipher this in an analytical manner for me derived from the astral rather than a series of it is what it is statements.

Like, if you are beautiful and do well or bad, does it carry over in some form to be not so, or become so? Because with something like intelligence on the other hand. I feel like that is derived experience and cannot be dictated to be taken or given based on your ethics, or karma.

I am very poor at explaining this right now. Somebody save me! Lionheart! Somebody! !!
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 23:59:41 »

It appears from experiences that like attract like. This seems to form groups of similar mindset entities.  A thing I've noticed is the more peaceful and respectful you are to others your ability to meet really nice people in beautiful loving surroundings is easier to attain.
Id guess if you were a thug you'd meet more of the same in your travels. This rings true if you read the works of many authors. Its also fitting with the old school 7 planes crossed by 7 planes belief system of a century ago.

An exit when youre really angry (long term) and wanting to destroy someone in the physical would give you a taste of the lower (old school) planes. It's reflected in your travels as its on your mind. If anger and hate have the better of you just sleep. Sometimes the places visited while livid will make you think again.
Head toward tranquillity, its good advice.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 00:52:45 »

It appears from experiences that like attract like. This seems to form groups of similar mindset entities.  A thing I've noticed is the more peaceful and respectful you are to others your ability to meet really nice people in beautiful loving surroundings is easier to attain.
Id guess if you were a thug you'd meet more of the same in your travels. This rings true if you read the works of many authors. Its also fitting with the old school 7 planes crossed by 7 planes belief system of a century ago.

An exit when youre really angry (long term) and wanting to destroy someone in the physical would give you a taste of the lower (old school) planes. It's reflected in your travels as its on your mind. If anger and hate have the better of you just sleep. Sometimes the places visited while livid will make you think again.
Head toward tranquillity, its good advice.

Eloquently answered as usual Szaxx!

 We are all here to lower our entropy. Anything we do that shows love and caring for one and everything in our reality does just that.

 What we bring to the NPR, we will get back. If we go there to learn then we will learn. If we go there to hunt Demons then that is what we will find. If we go there with peace in our hearts, than peace we will find.

 When I do a Retrieval I find myself in the personal hell that that person/entity has created for themselves or has been created for them, due to the way they lived in this reality. Many times it was not their fault. They were born into a life of slavery, torture, or were put into a situation of it due to some belief or organization. I say some kind of organization because I have had a number of Retrievals that were war related.

 You really should never try to Phase/AP while angry. That's a recipe for disaster right there.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 03:19:23 »

Like, if we chose our situation, as bad as this sounds, wouldn't everybody choose to be beautiful?

The spirit in its purest state does not think like a human. When life situations are chosen, it is from the prospective of what knowledge needs to be received rather than what pleasures there will be experienced. The pleasures in this world are so pathetic in comparison to higher level experiences, so the soul isnít interested to create exclusively easy and fun temporary life. The purpose of why do we enter these low dimensions in the first place are far more important and complicated, than creating a beautiful body and lots of money lol. However, during different lives we experience different things. The higher self sets up lots of different scenarios so that you can see how it is on both sides of the fens. To evaluate different values you need to experience what it is to be accepted and admired and also what it is to be rejected. In one situation you may be smart, wise and beautiful. In another ugly, dumb and bad. In a third one a combination. Itís all about covering various experiences to evaluate and expand.
As far as beautiful thoughts altering physical appearance. It is possible to some degree, but the frequency here is so low that our thoughtís impact cant manifest things 100%. Beautiful thoughts though in general attract alike circumstances, etc. But the general situations established from the higher self must be encountered. Thatís why the law o attraction everyone talk about is very hard to accomplish. Again we may desire certain things as humans and dream of easy, fun life, but our paths are pinned to some degree so to speak because our spirit has the need to receive missing pieces through experiences that we should accept and extract as much knowledge as we can.
Every challenge shows that there is something we are missing in our understanding. We musnít blame anyone or anything, but think what it is that I must learn. As soon as you realize, this situation will never repeat again.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 03:24:33 »

Thank you both, I enjoy the answers but I may have not iterated my question appropriately. It was more based on the idea of the literal physical manifestation that is your body must come from some sort of premeditation of reason or karma. Like less so your living conditions and more so the vessel you are in at this very moment.

I am rarely angry and wouldn't project in that matter : P I'm curious how that got brought up?

Thank you both regardless:)
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 03:27:09 »

The spirit in its purest state does not think like a human. When life situations are chosen, it is from the prospective of what knowledge needs to be received rather than what pleasures there will be experienced. The pleasures in this world are so pathetic in comparison to higher level experiences, so the soul isnít interested to create exclusively easy and fun temporary life. The purpose of why do we enter these low dimensions in the first place are far more important and complicated, than creating a beautiful body and lots of money lol. However, during different lives we experience different things. The higher self sets up lots of different scenarios so that you can see how it is on both sides of the fens. To evaluate different values you need to experience what it is to be accepted and admired and also what it is to be rejected. In one situation you may be smart, wise and beautiful. In another ugly, dumb and bad. In a third one a combination. Itís all about covering various experiences to evaluate and expand.
As far as beautiful thoughts altering physical appearance. It is possible to some degree, but the frequency here is so low that our thoughtís impact cant manifest things 100%. Beautiful thoughts though in general attract alike circumstances, etc. But the general situations established from the higher self must be encountered. Thatís why the law o attraction everyone talk about is very hard to accomplish. Again we may desire certain things as humans and dream of easy, fun life, but our paths are pinned to some degree so to speak because our spirit has the need to receive missing pieces through experiences that we should accept and extract as much knowledge as we can.
Every challenge shows that there is something we are missing in our understanding. We musnít blame anyone or anything, but think what it is that I must learn. As soon as you realize, this situation will never repeat again.

So true. Nice.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 03:32:56 »

As for the rounding of perception through experiencing different forms, I agree with that. But being that we are all our own souls and experiences it would be kinda upsetting to think Hendrix was a guitar god in one life and wouldn't have the slightest inclination of being partly good at guitar in his next incarnation. I would like to think I hold a fairly high intelligence and that training that would allow me to hyperprocess my life experiences and carry it over in some for. It would be highly upsetting to think I could be just stupid in the next life.

And I know it's partly an ego thing. But I refuse to not accept an analytical answer for some fairytale idea. If we came to this system to learn measurements and such I feel that everyone else is in denial that our actions do not hold some sort of merit in the future. Why train if that were the case. There would be no development of pushing past pain. Only rolling over. Like a female dog.

Success is in the heart. Money is not to answer. But I would like to train to the best of my ability. Attempting to see the bounds of my character and possibilities.

The last post makes me feel as though this is some hippy "Just go with it man" type of stuff.

Fudge that. Fudge that hard. If I see someone suffering I try to help. I feel that other mentality is the kinda puss stuff that lets good people get hurt and everyone just watches.

Fudge that into the ground.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2013, 03:38:16 »

I hold everyone on this forum in high respect. Please don't take my last post as a personal attack. I just don't like the idea of not pushing ourselves to the best of our ability, that I may be just dumb in the next life to experience being dumb. I've been picked on growing up, I get it. I don't need that again in my next life. I would like to think our push for bettering ourselves would allow more opportunities to do so. Not to go backwards
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2013, 03:47:26 »

The last post makes me feel as though this is some hippy "Just go with it man" type of stuff.


On the contrary, with every challenge you have to work hard, solve problems, analyze, realize, etc. It is not just go with the flow because my higher self and set it up. It was set up for you to fight it. You got it backwards, stickytoes. And by all means you have to fight for your fellow men, help and provide guidance if you have the opportunity. That is a part of the experience. Why am I bothering writing my experiences here on this forum if I already know how to project and donít need help from anyone? Because I want to help and guide and see others succeed. Make sense?
As for Hendrix, what was he in the lives before the one he learned the guitar? I agree that we sort of roll over some traits from one life no another immediate one. But we must have started at some point somewhere as new spirits. Think about it. It is the ego that makes us think that we could have never been limited in any way during our physical experiences, but perhaps you will understand it when you are free of these boundaries.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2013, 03:57:21 »

We aren't part of this system to learn to get good at working with our hands or be clever at something. What good does that achieve? Part of the reason we maybe incarnate fresh and new is because we return to the source of which has no interest in what abilities it just had in the learning lab of human existence. Your 'higher self' learns from emotion and growth of character.

The fact that this module.. .this life of yours that you are living is the only important one... now... at this time. What you were before or may be again is inconsequential. When you pay a new console game you start afresh... you learn the game to complete it.. .NEXT!!! You get better at playing consoles but you need to learn the rules and exceptions for the next game. This I suppose can be analogous to an old soul.

What you think when you roll over to the existence after this one may be absolutely nothing to do with the why's and wherefores you hold now. Like a dream. You wake from a dream wondering what the fudge you were thinking of... painting uncle Greg with a butterfly... at the time in the dream this felt perfectly logical and was very important but upon waking it had no relevance to your actual quality of life. The same could be said about waking from THIS dream.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2013, 03:58:38 »

Not sure if you're asking for technical details about the spirit, or about incarnations. Pfft. Incarnation is just a process of attaching yourself to a physical form. How it's done varies from person to person and culture to culture.

As for karma - over the past millenniums, criminals have been overtaking control of the reincarnation systems of Earth and that's part of the reason things are spiraling out of control. They snatch your spirit in the astral and send you through a judgment process, whereby you're considered a bad person if you've done things during your life that the criminals dislike, and you're put in increasingly worse bodies until you end up as a chicken in one of their factory farms. If they like you (for instance you served their militaries and promoted their cults), you move up a little bit. This usually means you're born into a slightly more wealthy family.

Of course, it's just their rules. There are loopholes, work-arounds, or just the outright solution of joining an organization that kills the bad guys.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2013, 05:43:52 »

 If Hendrix retained his "Guitar God" skills and status in all his lives, how would he be able to experience anything new?

 He would be just reliving a cycle of the same over and over again. That's why Retrievals are needed.

 Before you come into this life, you choose the body you will reincarnate in and what lessons you wish to experience. Then circumstances occur in your life that drive you towards those lessons. Whether it's wanting to be a top stunt man in Hollywood or something else. Your whole life would be about building up to that goal. Once you achieve it, then you experience it to the max. But you also get to experience the good, the bad and ugly of your chosen path.

 Tom Campbell and Bruce Lipton talked about just this topic in their great interview here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eujDxDpISXw

 Bruce was giving his opinion based on his finding using a Biological approach, Tom filled in the Metaphysical side of things.

 You've been picked on in this life, but it has helped you do what you are doing now. Because you were helpless once, you wish to help others.

 Action always creates reaction!  smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2013, 09:19:46 »

Lightbeam, Bedeekin, Lionheart, I would like to thank you all for these answers and ideas. I have thought about most of them but some have made me have to analyze some things slightly differently which is always good.

Lionheart I always usually agree with what you say, I still do, but what about the case of prodigies? That must be some sort of experience layover?  I've been wrong before.

Zareste, your drugs seem good. You should write a book.

Bedeekin your video game console verses playing the game experience metaphor was great, I like the idea of the general sort of *cosmic experience from playing the console. But from game to game *incarnation* you have to learn all over again. I like that example  grin
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2013, 17:25:34 »

yeahhhh he has no clue what we're talking about
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 21:02:36 »

why aren't all people beautiful? why 'choose' some "less favorable" conditions (parents with not so many 'beauty-genes', socially poor circumstances, etc.)? so why become ugly voluntarily? or disabled? or a victim of a chronic disease? or in whatever way victimised, impaired, handicapped?

because it's a challenge your higher self wants and needs for this particular experience (game), karma might play a role too, but not necessarily in all cases

the lessons to be learnt is what matters

if you start a console game and you choose a character (avatar!) who can wipe out all enemies like superman with a wiggling of his little toe or a blink of an eye ... where's the fun in that? maybe you like the first minutes but then it gets boring

sweet restriction ... it's the imperfection that makes the real game, otherwise it even wouldn't be one, that's swhy were here: play the game by certain rules with certain restrictions, partly self-imposed, partly by the system that was set up, partly by karma and our learning plan
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2013, 21:16:16 »

Precisely. Nicely put Volgerle.  smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2013, 21:31:24 »


sweet restriction ... it's the imperfection that makes the real game, otherwise it even wouldn't be one, that's swhy were here: play the game by certain rules with certain restrictions, partly self-imposed, partly by the system that was set up, partly by karma and our learning plan
Well said Vogerle!  smiley

 In the Art World they have a term that "It's the imperfection that makes it perfect". This applies to many things in life!  smiley
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2013, 08:25:35 »

Volgerie I agree with about everything you've said. I'm not negating the idea of having restrictions to make certain learning experiences more difficult to understand the situation of that. I agree with that as well.

Zareste, no one understands what you're talking about.
 "As for karma - over the past millenniums, criminals have been overtaking control of the reincarnation systems of Earth and that's part of the reason things are spiraling out of control. They snatch your spirit in the astral and send you through a judgment process, whereby you're considered a bad person if you've done things during your life that the criminals dislike, and you're put in increasingly worse bodies until you end up as a chicken in one of their factory farms. If they like you (for instance you served their militaries and promoted their cults), you move up a little bit. This usually means you're born into a slightly more wealthy family." --you

If your brash statements can have some sort of backup that doesn't reside in things you've read off the internet I'll be more open to listening.

"yeahhhh he has no clue what we're talking about" That's the sort of response an uneducated person would rebuttal with. Not to say you are uneducated. Just very childlike. Like a child. If that helps you.

Thank you to everyone else.
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