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« on: March 31, 2002, 12:44:24 »


Well garlic does, so if you eat enough it just kinda seeps out through the skin, although you might repel slightly more than negs!

 
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2002, 13:31:35 »

Just in general, vegetarianism seems to be a bit of a pop-fad.

mercola.com

If you type in "vegetarianism" into the search engine on the site, you'll get a bunch of anti, and a few pro rebuttals. Might be a good starting point.

The above is entirely from a health perspective. I don't know how it would relate to energetic/spiritual development, though one would suspect the healthier diet would correlate.

As to specific types of food doing specific things, the above is not meant to comment on that either.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2002, 20:21:48 »

Thanks!  I'll be sure to check that out...and by the way, I am not a vegeterian, but it seems to make me feel much better when I avoid heavy foods (ie. meats, cheese, etc.)
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2002, 03:30:20 »

Hello Daniel
   My favorite is Thai curry. It has a second type of ginger called galangal in it. Galangal is also called Laos. It is used in voodoo curses to reverse spells cast at you. I always have a bowl full of curry when I feel out of sorts. Regular curry has a lot of protective spices in it.
   All food can be protective when prayed over with the names of God or whatever deity you believe in. You ask it to be blessed and to be protected from harm as long as it is in your body. It works very well since we digest and incorporate our food into our body.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2002, 06:02:58 »

My opinion on foods is this--different individuals have different dietary needs!  That should be obvious, but doesn't seem to be mentioned in anything on nutrition.
Closest I've ever seen was a person who thought that blood types suggested what sort of diet a person should eat.  I didn't agree with all of his assessments, I'm afraid.

With the exceptions of artificial foods, excessive sweets and caffeine, and chemicals (and I don't mean cooked foods--our species evolved with cooked foods, our progenitors used fire as well), our bodies know what they need, if we bother to actually listen.

If a person feels better when they avoid meat--well, obviously they would make a good vegetarian, and doubtless experience great health on such a diet!
But don't extend that across the board, please....while you may react a certain way to certain types of food, others may very well not react that way.

I personally have a hard time digesting fruits and vegetables.  I eat them when I crave them, but my digestive system lets me know that it's not entirely happy with the whole thing.
The food I digest most readily is red meat--poulty is a bit more difficult, as is pork.  Grains--bread, cereal, etc, is second best to red meat.  So that's what I eat most of, and when I drift from that tendency, that's when I feel most out of sorts.

I've spoken to many others who report the same thing--leaving meat out of their diet results in uncomfortable digestion, and a nagging sensation of hunger, even with a full stomach.  Cheese and other high-protein sources can lessen that effect, so it may well be that we need more protein than most folks.

Oh, I just read an article on how grass-fed animals are much higher in nutritive value than factory-farmed animals.  The difference in Vitamin and mineral content was substantial (5 times more vitamin E in grassfed beef, than grain-fed, for example).

I think that if we all managed to eat more natural, organic foods (and organic beef isn't necessarily grass-fed, by the way), we'd all be healthier and have higher energy levels.  Too bad it's so expensive to do so.
All the veggies and fruits are contaminated with pesticides, and the varieties are grown with chemical fertilizers--the hybrid varieties that withstand shipping are used, and their phenotype along with the long time they spend in shipping after picking, ensure that they have reduced nutritional value.
The meat is the same--lower nutritional value due to the way it's raised, and contamination with chemical pesticides from the feed, and possibly hormones and antibiotics as well.
This is part of the reason I desperately want some land...I want to raise my own food.
I'm rather tired of settling for worse than I could find if I hunted in an empty lot.  (dandelions are actually pretty healthy. )




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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2002, 07:27:41 »

quote:

The food I digest most readily is red meat--poulty is a bit more difficult, as is pork. Grains--bread, cereal, etc, is second best to red meat. So that's what I eat most of, and when I drift from that tendency, that's when I feel most out of sorts.

I've spoken to many others who report the same thing--leaving meat out of their diet results in uncomfortable digestion, and a nagging sensation of hunger, even with a full stomach. Cheese and other high-protein sources can lessen that effect, so it may well be that we need more protein than most folks."



Winged Wolf, if your digestive system really digest more easily meat than vegetables/fruits, you most probably have two predator parents(and I donīt mean human)...
  ..I donīt know ANY human whose digestive system ultimately is designed for "meat over vegetables/fruits", although I understand that it can feel that way for lots and lots of people, cause they are raised on saturated animal fats, and lived on meats all their life (like me uptil a few years ago)...
   ... and so, it will take quite some time for many people to transform their eating habits into a strict vegetarian style.  During that transition time, of course the digestive system needs to get used to the "new" food, and that brings feelings of discomfort, that can be interpeted as for an example problem digesting for example vegetables and fruits and the likes...

   I was a habitual meat consumer (every day) up til I was about 20, then I quit all meat right of (for many reasons), and the first perhaps two months was no walk on green meadows, not THAT hard though (much of the discomfort also comes from the subjective mind, unsure if this new diet, if it can provide what I need and so forth)... but I got used to it gradually..  and after a few more months I quit fish and all living creatures from all walks of life (except plants of course), and very shortly after that I had obtained the best health ever in my life, and now, 2― years later, I have no cravings for meat at all. I even get sick of smelling it, weird isnīt it...  (my own thoughts could of course contribute to that)

  I understand everyone has a bit different digestive systems, but not THAT different, we are all from the very same species remember, the human species, and that species digestive system is not made for digesting that amount of animal products most people of today actually do, the vast majority of digestive systems isnīt MADE to consume ANY food from the animal kingdom... (of course honey for example could be an exception)  As for some people needing more protein than other, and that is a reality, there is so many enormously protein rich sources from the vegetarian kingdom, the soy bean for example, better protein than from the soy bean you could probably not absorb..


    This is what I firmly believe in I must add, I donīt enjoy when people is saying THIS IS THE WAY IT IS to me about things that I think the opposite of so...  trust your instincts, just follow them deep enough so you know they are your instincts and not something else interpreted as instincts.....


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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2002, 10:23:06 »

Ok, I won't say "this is the way it is"....
But, based on my opinion and all the scientific evidence and such...:

Humans are omnivores.  Their digestive systems are not perfectly adapted to eating meat--but neither are they perfectly adapted to eating fruits and vegetables and grains.  They have sacrificed this efficiency in favor of variety and versatility.
Humans don't have the enzyme production necessary to be true carnivores, but they also don't have the gut-length and enzyme production necessary to be true herbivores.
It's possible for humans to survive on either diet.  (Inuit peoples, for example, are largely carnivorous--they know which parts of the animal to eat to gain necessary nutrients, such as the liver).

It's possible to live on a vegetarian diet, but of course it requires a huge variety of foods from different areas to ensure that necessary complete proteins are acquired.  And there is still a problem with certain necessary vitamins ONLY found in animal products (B12, I believe), which many vegans must supplement, or develop deficiencies of.

I maintain that the healthiest human diet is the one that includes a huge variety of foods from different sources, both plant and animal.
And, that some persons are more adapted to eating animal foods, and others to plant foods--not to suggest that they are completely well adapted to either, as no human is.
You're making the assumption that such "carnivore-oriented" people have never tried vegetarianism, or haven't stuck with it for long enough.
But this is not true, and it belittles their experiences.  I think it's poor taste to accuse others of lying or being deceived simply because your beliefs don't match their experiences.

Frankly, not only do I digest meat very well, and feel better when I eat it (and I've had long periods when I've not been able to eat much of it), but I also happen to enjoy it.  Certainly, my overall health is improved when I eat it--I don't get the headaches I get when I consume too many veggies and fruits over long periods of time, and I'm less susceptable to illness.  This is my observation, believe what you will.


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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2002, 17:42:49 »

I respect your thoughts and opinion to the fullest Winged Wolf.

  Although all the scientific evidence does not at all point to what you said, some do, some donīt...   if you are interrested in learning more into the subject of human nutrition, I can recommend a very good book by John Robbins, "A diet for a new america"..

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2002, 19:44:35 »

Very interesting...I think, as W.W. said, it's truly a matter of individual needs. Thanks for all of your guys' insights.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2002, 01:47:25 »

Just so long as it's not another of those that tries to make vegetarianism seem environmentally friendly.
I live on the plains--this is wild grassland, and cattle disturb it relatively little (just as bison did before them).  Much better for the environment than trying to grow crops here.  I'd never thought of this, until I moved out here and saw what the real situation was.
In many places, you can raise food animals on land left wild--not so with crops.


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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2002, 08:02:14 »

It deals mostly with human nutrition, and yet it is not one of those often a bit boring books you can find on the subject of nutrition...
  ..and it is no vegetarian propaganda either.
 I and obviously millions of americans (#1 bestseller in the states if Iīm not wrong) with me, found it to be very educating, approaching the human digestive systems, nutrition and the likes from a very scientific and well researched way - without any influence from the standard commercialism and whatever "preconceived" public opinions may be out there.
  Anyway if you are interrested in reading anything about the "subject", I can highly recommend it to you.

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2002, 04:27:50 »

Thanks. Smiley
Just occurred to me, by the way....don't know why it didn't before.  But a lot of born-psi folks have genetic mutations which can cause some unusual abnormalities involving the digestive system (among other things).  Among the psis I know, one cannot digest meat at all, and another can digest just about anything, including metal coins, in a short period of time.  Food allergies and intolerances are very common as well.


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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2002, 05:08:43 »

My stomach hurts, I knew I shouldnīt have swallowed all those coins for breakfast... Wink

I am sure there a few people out there with very different digestive capabilities, but digesting coins?  Sounds neat, they must have enormously strong "stomach juices" (donīt know the right term) to able to do that, Iīm afraid I am not one of them.. it hurts!

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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2002, 10:23:15 »

Yep, very strong stomach acid.  Surprisingly, no ulcers, though.
Found out about this when his parents took him to the doctor after he swallowed some coins as a kid.  The doctor was a bit surprised when the X-ray showed that the only thing left were thin latticeworks of dissolving metal--no point in removing them, they'd soon be gone!
I know this guy eats stuff that would give me food poisoning, too.


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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2002, 06:45:04 »

I have a little question regarding specific foods and their abilities to repel negative energy (or attract positive).

Although I understand that a well balanced diet consisting of little meat, low fats, lots of vegetables, etc. promotes positive energy and a healthy body, but are there specific foods/herbs that repel "bad stuff"?

I am an open-minded person, but I must admit when I hear someone say, "Oh, you are experiencing a psychic attack or a negative spiritual presence. . .well, sprinkle some of _____ herb in the corner and then burn of some _____ this, etc."  I usually just roll my eyes.  But maybe I need to re-think this.

Anyone have an personal experience, links to info on the subject, etc.  in regards to this.  If so, I would appreciate it.

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