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« on: June 21, 2004, 00:47:06 »

what is it with fluffy people and hyphenating normal words?  gener-ating?
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2004, 14:02:58 »

A big round of aplause from me [^]

I know nothing about Kabbalah, but totly agree with this. By loving even the thoughts we dont like or anger emotions we have, it removes their power over us, and I agree with last bit, anger when felt and understood properly can be a very powerfull and positive emotion. But there is the bit we have to learn. By calming our emotions and understanding our anger and how to control it we can then recognise the difference between, destructive emotions and the ones we can use.

When we are angry we lose the connection of our own higher will, and lose touch with our own gentle flow of balanced thought. Imagine what it would be like to feel balanced and in control all the time.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2004, 17:50:28 »

This is an interesting coincidence because i have been doing research on warts and their possible connection to being neg attachments (i'll post about it soon) and came across a story about this guy. I don't agree with some of "The Kabbalah Center" stuff (although i generally agree with what was originally posted in this thread) but found it interesting that Madonna says the "Kabbalah Water" he sells healed her husbands verruca. Heres the story:

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WHY DO STARS PUT THEIR FAITH IN KABBALAH? May 17 2004

 

 
By Jane Simon
 
 
IT is the trendiest faith around, endorsed by superstars like Madonna, Demi Moore and Britney Spears. As I take my first lesson in Kabbalah, I begin to understand why.

"By the fourth class you will learn to see into the future," my teacher announces confidently.

I'm in a meeting room in a smart square off Oxford Street for an introductory session in the ancient branch of Jewish mysticism which is enjoying a star-struck resurgence.

From the offset it is easy to see why so many celebrities are attracted to Kabbalah, as I'm promised money, sexual energy, passion and beauty - all for 180.

Madonna is Kabbalah's most famous devotee; other celebrity students include Elizabeth Taylor, Jerry Hall, Winona Ryder, Jeff Goldblum, Courtney Love and Roseanne Barr.

Now it looks as if Victoria Beckham has become a convert after being spotted wearing a red string knotted around her wrist - a Kabbalah amulet to ward off the "evil eye".

As well as being able to see the future, other perks of becoming a believer are "money, good relationships, love and happiness," claims my teacher, Rabbi Chaim Solomon.

As if more reasons were needed, Kabbalists say the "positive flow of energy" can stop the ageing process. More bizarrely, they believe negative energy can be absorbed by swinging a chicken above the head.

The 10-week course will, claims Rabbi Solomon, teach me to tune myself like a TV set to become a better receiver of "rays of light", the infinite joy for which we're all searching for and, by no coincidence, the name of Madonna's 1998 album.

Kabbalah, described as "a divine system of wisdom", is believed to have been passed by God to Abraham and to Moses.

Rabbi Solomon describes it as the spiritual laws of creation, "like the DNA of the cosmos", but there's nothing very mystical or esoteric about Rabbi Solomon's presentation on his flip-chart.

The word Kabbalah is Hebrew for "receive" and it's this "gimme gimme" aspect that he decides to focus on: "The creator wants you to have everything you want."

Later, browsing the Kabbalah Centre's online store, it's the same story. One book, The 72 Names Of God, promises that by meditating on the appropriate name, you'll be able to "bring more money into your life, ignite sexual energy and passion, meet your true soulmate and radiate beauty to all who see you."

Followers are encouraged to pamper themselves and pursue their own happiness - which may explain why it has attracted so many self-obsessed celebrities.

Even the understanding of the Zohar, the 12th-century manuscript on which modern Kabbalah teaching is based, is surprisingly user-friendly. Rabbis at the Kabbalah Centre insist the Zohar - said to be too complicated for the most eminent scholars - can be "read" merely by running your hands over the text.

Which probably explains why its "unfathomable complexities" have become fully accessible to the likes of Britney Spears, who has also been seen sporting a Kabbalistic red-string wrist band.

"It's a bigger picture even than the Bible," she explained. "It's so interesting to me because I've never read stuff like this before." At the London Kabbalah Centre you can buy a red string bracelet like Britney's for 27. Also on offer is a "blessed, restoring" face cream at 78.

For 2.80 you can buy a small bottle of Kabbalah water, personally blessed by the movement's leader, Phillip Berg, and said to possess "centuries of wisdom in every drop".

The spring water has supposedly been transformed by a process called Quantum Resonance Technology, making it a "spiritual tool". Madonna claims the water cured husband Guy's verrucas.

Also on sale is Madonna's book The English Roses (proceeds donated to the Kabbalah Centre's Spirituality For Kids Foundation). Her latest book, Mr Peabody, based on an ancient Kabbalah story, nestles alongside Kabbalah texts, videos and DVDs.

You might expect London's Jewish community to be thrilled that their ancient wisdom is now being marketed to the general public: Jews and non-Jews, pop stars and nobodies alike.

Nothing, however, could be further from the truth.

Rabbi Barry Marcus, a member of the Chief Rabbi's cabinet and minister at the Central London Synagogue, says: "There's not a single Rabbinic authority on this planet who endorses what they're doing; the condemnation of them is universal."

He points out that the Zohar - on sale at the Kabbalah Centre for 289 - can be bought from any religious bookshop for around 35.

But Rabbi Marcus isn't surprised Kabbalah has so many celebrity followers. "If I'm being kind, I'll say that most of them have probably done well in their field and have everything that money can buy.

But they don't have the one thing money can't buy and that's inner peace, serenity and stability. So they go searching and they can afford to.

"But if I'm being unkind, I'd say that the celebrities I've come into contact with are the most insecure people I've ever met in my life."

And what of the spiritual properties of the Kabbalah Centre's magic red string?

Rabbi Marcus snorts. "I can get you the same string in John Lewis for 20p," he says.

POSH THE KABBALIST

Madonna is known to Kabbalists as Esther. Posh might also adopt a biblical name - Rebecca, maybe?

POSH THE KABBALIST

She would have to drink only Kabbalah water blessed by the movement's founder Phillip Berg: 2.80 a bottle.

POSH THE KABBALIST

She would pay 10 per cent of her earnings to the religion - 100,000 a year, or 1m if she ropes David in.
 
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2004, 21:07:29 »

Its very interesting to see how other religions and spritual teachings deal with anger.

Christians turn the other cheek, Kabbalists learn to love hatered, Buddhists tend to ignore everything but themselves.

A spiritual discipline, such as the Kabbalah, can find an application in any situation where the teachings of that religion help the disciple better cope with his present surroundings, meaning of life, and give a prospective outlook for the future.

Whatever the teaching might be, the bottom line is: Don't let outside factors influence your inner being. The spiritual teachings offer different aspects on the techniques which would not let that happen.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2004, 15:50:38 »

Negative Angels?? This man is deluded and a servant of Mammon.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2004, 19:34:06 »

Angel means messenger or annointed  of god. Are there really evil 'messengers of god'? Lets not take the Bible literally and then try to apply it to New Age philosophy ok? Otherwise we must admit the Earth is not round, PI equals 3 rather than 3.1415927 or that God enjoys having animals brutally killed and sacrificed to him or that anyone working on the Sabbath should be killed etc etc etc.

 You won't find a "Negative" Angel/Messenger of God in most other belief-systems ( http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_31.htm#4 ). Those who believe in this would maybe find it helpful to study Hinduism or Buddhism. Strangely, there are no negative Buddhas.

And two of the above quotes from the Bible say "evil spirits" rather than Angels. According to most Kabbalists Angels are not negative, only the Qlippoth(negs) are. Anyone who believes an Angel would rebel against God knows nothing about Angels.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2004, 20:09:05 »

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WHOA, you are the one that started the bible quoting not me.
I don't believe in the bible. [Shocked)]


Yes but i quoted something that is common sense advice rather than mythological beliefs. [Wink]

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Wouldn't a negative angel really be a demon? [}:)]


I don't think it is wise to associate negativity with Angels.
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What about Satan?


What about it? According to the book of Job, Satan is a son of God who obeys God's commands.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2004, 20:39:35 »

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Do you think Satan is the son of God like Jesus?


I think Satan (literally meaning: Adversary) is a mythological character representing some kind of force in an ancient religious text that was not meant to be taken literally.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2004, 22:12:16 »

Agh! I'm frustrated by the Lucifer/Satan debate because i don't understand it yet. On one hand many sources i've read deny any existence of "the Devil", yet evil is an undeniable dichotomy to "Good." As there are archangels to guide us, there could very well be archdemons to waylay us, and perhaps the term Satan is a catchall for them, or maybe there is a head honcho that others worship. It is a metaphysical topic i am still seeking a full understand of. Regardless, it's better to place your bets with positive forces rather than negative, the latter will only trick you.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 11:26:51 »

That makes sense. Fits in with "negs" described as "blobs" of negative energy. Still, i wonder how many of these blobs gathered enough sentience to have a purpose and will and objective. Most negs as i understand it are lost humans or thoughtforms from confused humans, meshed into the astral plane since time began and growing every day in the ethereal globe around our planet and universe(s).
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 16:54:27 »



 
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Whatever the teaching might be, the bottom line is: Don't let outside factors influence your inner being. The spiritual teachings offer different aspects on the techniques which would not let that happen.


Wise words, i would agree with you [^]
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 17:05:11 »



 
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First off, you can forget those images of cherubs.
Thats easy to say if you havent seen one! ive seen Angels.

 
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The truth is, an angel is a particle of spiritual energy, acting similar to a subatomic particle. According to quantum physics, countless subatomic particles are constantly coming in and out of existence in all parts of the universe at every moment


We are all made of spiritual energy are we not?
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2004, 13:49:11 »

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damn tootin we are. We and everything in existense is just a vibration of light. Angels simply vibrate at higher frequencies than we can normally see or feel.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2004, 18:32:26 »

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We and everything in existense is just a vibration of light. Angels simply vibrate at higher frequencies than we can normally see or feel.

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Im with you,hear hear [^]
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2004, 14:26:10 »

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English Zohar Vol. 3 Section 6:
"Who shall ascend into the mountain of Hashem"
 
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There are definite negative blockages within our consciousness that repress our intrinsic desire to seek the meaning of our existence and purpose in life.
I would call that an amnisia from incarnation, there are many who have a deep seated yearning to discover them true selves and the meaning of life, such as us lot!

 
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By helping to remove these impediments, the words and wisdom of this passage stimulate us to pursue the truth of our being. It is a well-known Kabbalistic principle that states, the more we seek to comprehend our purpose and the reality of the Creator, the more spiritual Light we receive.


What ever we desire, we bring into our lives much easier, including spiritual growth.
 
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87. And so, in the same manner, if HE HAS CLEAVED to impurity WHILE IN THIS WORLD, then he is drawn to the IMPURE side. He becomes one of them and is attached to them. And they are called the 'demons of people.' So when he departs from this world, they take him and cast him into Gehenom--into that place where the impure, who have defiled themselves and their spirits, are judged and punished. He then clings to them, becoming 'a demon', just like the demons of the world.

OK..Pass tha bong! [xx(] does that speech come with theme music?
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?dude, were you smoking when you tried to place the quote things


LOl [Cheesy] yeah im crap at this

 
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The Kabbalah sounds a lot like the bible..bad people are demons in the making...?  


Im thinking the very same.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2004, 12:09:47 »

To take this idea a step further, bad people live in negativity while alive. In a world of Free Will, God gives us ANYTHING we want, even pain and suffering and hurting others (which incidentaly we choose ahead of time in spirit i think, as a means of Lesson).

A bad person who dies with weak beliefs becomes rather lost, and as such they try to leach vitality from the living, or continue their cruel ways in the afterlife because it was all they knew. They can eventually transcend this existense (i think) or they might be stuck there a very, very long time.

The astral and ghosts and negative spirits fit into this aspect of the afterlife and latent human energy, as well as thoughtforms and demons. Now, i think there is a distinct difference between a true demon and a waylaid soul. I'm not sure how a transition would work from one to another, but i've read angelic texts describing how spirits can become angels, so at least some sort of precedence is set.
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