Karma and how to be released from it...

[Tantalord]

Hi all,
The last few months i have been in search for lots of psychological and para-phychological issues according enlightment.In this search i came across the word ''Karma'' and its meaning.Althought i was not a spiritual person the most of my life,according to what i have found it made me believe that there is something more in this life than what our eyes can see.
So i start searching my geneological tree more for any karmic chains according to my family name.And i found something amazing.I believe,because there are no prouf other than my name and my country origin(Greece),that i belong to the House of Atreus,a family tree cursed by the gods.
 So i want to know if there is a way for someone to be released by any karmic connection regarding past lives.Is Karma release so important for someone to become ascended and can it be cleared using meditation on it?

Here some links about House of Atreus

http://www.geocities.com/tmartiac/thalassa/oresteia2.htm
http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/family4.html

[Tayesin]

Hi,
This idea may sound a little different.

Maybe Karma isn't the hard and set Law that everyone thinks it is ?

Maybe, it's only a mechanical system.  So, if I start something in motion by word, thought or deed, this mechanical system must develop what I started until it reaches it's natural conclusion.

I truly think it does this without making value judgements about the cause, without forcing "Bad Karma" onto us.

We set something in motion, Karma Mechanics takes it and works it through the agreements and contracts we have with other souls here and brings the fruit of that to bear in our life, here or at other life-times.  

It does not say you were bad, and deserve terrible experiences to repay the "debt".  It just brings the fruit !

All that makes it good or bad, is what judgements we place on it !

Ignore the curse concept.  If you believe in it, then it can effect you.  

Love always

[MindFreak]

Karma is cause and effect.
If you do something, or experience something, that will condition you and your actions/reactions for future similar situations.

[patelvipulk]

there is a very nice book called " The absolute law of Karma"--  it has a few Inidan terminology but is very informative...

It can be downloaded for free at

http://www.awgp.org/english/books/lawofkarma.pdf


if you like the book, there are more books from the same  author in public domain at:


http://www.awgp.org/english/books/books_english.html

www.akhand-jyoti.org ( a free online spiritual magazine) also has some nice articles on Karma once in a while.

 hope you get your questions answered.

Vipul..

[Tantalord]

At last some info that i needed.I will check them as soon as possible.Thanks very much patelvipulk

[patelvipulk]

did you like the book?

[Tantalord]

I still have not completed it,but until here it is very interesting.

[patelvipulk]

I am glad that you liked it..
Please feel free to ask questions if you feel I may be able to give you an answer or point you to a refrecne..
Vipul..

[El-Bortukali]

Hi all,
The last few months i have been in search for lots of psychological and para-phychological issues according enlightment.In this search i came across the word ''Karma'' and its meaning.Althought i was not a spiritual person the most of my life,according to what i have found it made me believe that there is something more in this life than what our eyes can see.
So i start searching my geneological tree more for any karmic chains according to my family name.And i found something amazing.I believe,because there are no prouf other than my name and my country origin(Greece),that i belong to the House of Atreus,a family tree cursed by the gods.
 So i want to know if there is a way for someone to be released by any karmic connection regarding past lives.Is Karma release so important for someone to become ascended and can it be cleared using meditation on it?

Here some links about House of Atreus

http://www.geocities.com/tmartiac/thalassa/oresteia2.htm

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/family4.html

so,The Father of the hellenic Gods is your Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather

[loppoppy]

I always thought the only true release from karma is if you became enlightened. Until then I'm afraid you have to live through your life and whatever your karma throws at you, you must learn and grow from it and of course maybe set some good karma up for yourself through selfless acts and dedication to your duties etc

[Kenneth]

Hello Tantalord,

I hope that you can use my experiences with "karma". I will not touch the discussion on formers lives, as I have not had any direct experiences with that area, but the life we live now should give plenty of examples, and show were I am currently  

To me Karma is nothing more or less than the "energy" (or feelings, or believes or states) I am in, when a given situation arises, and when it unfolds. I have "searched" high and low, only beginning (or so I feel), to accept, that Karma and its mechanics is not something I find by looking for the Extraordinary or "magic" things.

To me Karma is close by in every moment of my life - and I "feel" it inside, as do every other being on this earth. The effect of Karma on me is for instance when I am being limited to specific choices (or choice) in any given situation, because some old "pain" from my past inside of me prevents me from seeing the other choices.

The "release" (if you can call it that), I have found is actually quiet simple, but very hard on your ego!!   . It is about bringing the past into the present, without reliving it again as we normally do when we dwell on the past, but instead being actively present and conscious.

Some suggestions are to "Accept" the situation no matter what. I have found, that I am not "big" enough yet to be able to do that. There are many big and small situations, where my feelings get the better of me - And in that "gets the better of me" is another path present.

It is for me to actively accept my self, even though .... (replace this with the aspects of the situation that you can not accept). A difficult situation or thought stream is often "composed" of a multitude of different energies, that we do not like for one reason or another. There is resistance within us.

Normally we accept this "resistance" as "This is who I am", and then we choose what is available to us, while we look envious at the person beside us, who does what we really want to do, but we "can not, will not, dare not, is afraid of, etc. etc....

All those Can not, will not, dare not etc. is formed by the experiences from our past. Karma to me is our present helping us find ourselves (or accept ourselves) in these old situations, by bringing the "energy" from that situation into the present situation.

Ever been in a "tough" situation, where you had to (or automatically) "suppressed" your emotions, and ran on sort of "automatic"? ..... And then later when you didn't expect it, a "trigger" (a wrong word, a feeling or something else), brought it all back - and this time WITH all the emotions attached? ....

If you are present, or "know" the mechanism, you recognize it for what it is, and can work your way through it. If not, you are sort of "lost" in those feelings / state of mind, that seemingly came from nowhere, and affects all your thoughts, words and actions in the present!

This has happened to nearly all of us. Normally we only remember the BIG situations in our life's, but enough "small" situations will gain the same result. Like fire needs Air, Heat and Fuel to live, a situation needs either Time (as in exposure time or repeats), energy strength (how strongly does it "push" you) and proximity (How close is the "source" to you, either physical or emotional). Like a fire, if you remove any of these three, you will not create Karma. If you reduce any or all of them, you reduce the Karma as well. (As in you actively handle the situation in the here and now).

Removing Time is about actively being present in the here and now, and NOT fall into the trap of Psychological time (from Eckhart Tolle's "The power of Now"). Psychological time is when you are "stuck" in situations from either the past or the future. The correct way of dealing with the past could be: "Okay, last year I planted the potatoes too late, and they didn't grow up. This year I plan to plant them earlier".

Nothing more, nothing less.

Compared to: "How stupid could I be, planting those damn potatoes so late!! ... I should have known, that they would never have the time to grow up! ... Okay, this time I will do better - I MUST plant them earlier, I don't want to be a total failure again!!!" ......

That's psychological time. But even psychological time is open for Here and Now, by being present in the different feelings this little "story" creates in you. Do not take side, do not categorize - just be present here and now, and you WILL remove the "time" part of your Karma!

Okay - enough rambling from my part !!   ... My conclusion being, that I do not see Karma as an impossible task. I have used some different techniques, like www.emofree.com, and the words of Eckhart Tolle in "The power of Now" as some of the better ones.

It is not a big bang, and then everything is all right. It is more like any other aspect of life, some is fast, but mostly it is a slow and grinding process within my self, where I many times have to actively repeat within my self "Even though I can't handle / hate / frown upon etc. this situation, I completely and utterly accept myself!", and at the same time being focused upon the feeling the situation generates within me, without becoming that feeling.

I hope, that you can use some of these thoughts and experiences  

[Tantalord]

This was a very interesting and helpful reply....

As a matter of fact I have used EFT with a specialist and I have stunning results in many of my problems,regarding relationships and personal phobias.

Also the result of EFT i believe was to ''release'' me from many karmic connections that were affecting this life.I have had a very extraordinary experience at the end of the sessions.From that point on I started to grow up more as a spiritual being rather than an ordinary person attached to the physical world.

Also I am attuned to the Usui Reiki Level 1 holistic healing system,and when I met my Reiki Master that attuned me,we had a little talk and she told me that I didn't have any karma to ''pay off''.She has been doing Reiki more than 20 years and she could sense energies of other persons,positive or negative,so her opinion is worthy.This happened after the EFT sessions.

[jilola]

The word "Karma" means cause and effect.
Your actions and choices have repercussions.

To be released from kaarma is to see that the action and repercussions are not separate but one and the same, following each other continuously and not discretely.
Seeing that realise that as the consequences unfold as a result of your actions and choices you do not need to make them the be-all of your existence and self.
You are both the action and the consequence without distinction or judgement of good or bad.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Tayesin]

Well said Jilola.

Seems most people think Karma HAS TO BE a system of judgment, therefore you get good or bad karma.

It's just a system, a mechanical system (for want of a better description).

It's a system all of us Souls agreed to abide by in order to experience existence here.

My thoughts and actions are a Cause.

Karma Mechanics takes my cause and develops it toward it's own Conclusion.

I will experience this Conclusion in some way, at some time, in some existence.

I cannot perceive it as good or bad.

It just is what it has to be, the Conclusions to what I set in motion with my Causes. Nothing more and nothing less.

We all have Conclusions to experience.

No one is "free" from Karma. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dishonest with you and themselves.



"Love really is the answer to every question, finding it within yourself is the tricky part" - Tay.

[Kenneth]

No one is "free" from Karma. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dishonest with you and themselves.



"Love really is the answer to every question, finding it within yourself is the tricky part" - Tay.

Hello Tay,

True - "freeing" yourself from Karma is (IMHO) not possible - but actively releasing the resistance from a given situation within you (generally pain in one form or another), will (again IMHO) "frees" you from Karma, through the insights and understanding you gain   ... Just like you said, any given situation has to come to a conclusion - and that conclusion is (IMHO), when there is but peace left within, when you are replaying that situation.

Try to view some of the videos from the EFT site ( www.emofree.com ), where Vietnam veterans works through their grim and traumatic experiences. Look into their eyes, and see them go from "The 1000 yard stare", to a present and (as I best can describe it) wondering and peace full expression.

Listen to them start out by not being able to talk about anything related to those experiences, and ending with them quietly and without any disturbing and pain full emotions talk about one grim experience after another.

That to me is "release" of Karma - to be able to actively find your own peace within a situation, that has "ruled" (Karma?) the greater part of your life, to the extent that (for them), they had to be hospitalized in order to cope.

What I have experienced in the last two and ½ years, that I have worked with EFT is, that after a little while, my subconsciousness sort of "actively" helps me by bringing "the next set" of emotions/energies/feelings up to the conscious surface, through the situations I find myself in. In the start, I found, that my life sort of "was in the way" of me solving my deep problems and issues, but slowly I learned to recognize and adapt to the fact, that if I sort of used my life as a "School-time", the issues sort of came in the (for me) right order, and the right amount!

And more importantly - when I got the underlying issues resolved, my life with respect to those issues would in many cases instantly change!
(The saying about your life situation being a reflection of your inner self, or something like that   )

So instead of repeating to my self "Stop being annoyed and pi*** on all the other drivers, it disturbs me in currently handling that I do not like visiting my relatives", I now think "Okay - I am annoyed and Pi*** on the other drivers - hmmm, okay - how does this make me feel, how do I feel about being annoyed and pis*** ?". Then I work through some rounds of EFT on different aspects of the current situation as soon as it is safe to do so, and generally try to get the knowledge about the emotion to such a degree, that I can give it "its True name", and I instantly can recognize it if it occurs again. (That's actually not often, that it occurs again, but sometimes there are numerous aspects to a given situation, and then it takes more rounds to get through it).

Just my two cents  

[jilola]

My thoughts and actions are a Cause.

Karma Mechanics takes my cause and develops it toward it's own Conclusion.

And now you went and made karma this external process again.
Are you not both the cause and the consequence?

Who are these Karma Mechanics?


2cents & L&L
Jouni

[yothu]

This idea may sound a little different.

Maybe Karma isn't the hard and set Law that everyone thinks it is ?

Maybe, it's only a mechanical system.  So, if I start something in motion by word, thought or deed, this mechanical system must develop what I started until it reaches it's natural conclusion.

I truly think it does this without making value judgements about the cause, without forcing "Bad Karma" onto us.

We set something in motion, Karma Mechanics takes it and works it through the agreements and contracts we have with other souls here and brings the fruit of that to bear in our life, here or at other life-times.  

It does not say you were bad, and deserve terrible experiences to repay the "debt".  It just brings the fruit !

All that makes it good or bad, is what judgements we place on it !

Ignore the curse concept.  If you believe in it, then it can effect you.  

This is by far the simplest explanation I ever encountered. And I think it makes sense. And all that without the common good/bad BS. Congratulations.

[thefastcook]

I'm into the view that karma is cause and effect from the smallest particle of energy to the largest - in a way like what Tayesin said about it being mechanical - and we can either keep pedalling the machine, try to stop the machine or get off the machine.  I think that a lot of karma doesn't reach it's "natural" conclusion though because we resist it - and so our karma expands like a chain reaction.  I think that a lot of spiritual schools that use the subtractive methods of meditation like emptiness, no-mind, observation etc are basically working to stop the resistance so that our Karma can reach its "natural" conclusion ie. we face it - it goes.

[WindGod]

The belief i was brought up on concerning Karma is that:

Karma is the mechanism by which souls are trapped in the web of endless birth and rebirth and therefore is the means to maintaining a population of "souls" to inhabit the systems of creations. ( infinite number of physical through causal systems)

Supposedly, it requires help to escape this cycle.

[gdo]

There is no 'release' from the responsibility of personal actions.

There may come a time when a person learns to discriminate at a very fine dimension the results of the actions that they make.  That, however is not the average situation.