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bacsy413

i just wondered if any people on the astral pulse have been initiated into babaji's or SRF's kriya yoga and could teach me how to do it?

chow
lllukeee

Tyciol

No idea what those are, but yeah I've done a bit of yoga. Not sure what forms they were exactly as they were only basic movements. I did get a book on Kundalini Yoga that I plan to try out soon.

I'm not sure how we can 'show' you exactly, yoga's complex to describe and usually requires videos or at least pictures to easily demonstrate what the form looks like.

Have you tried joining any Yoga newsgroups? I'm on the mailing list on one on about.com, do a search.

Eol007

Hi bacsy413,

I have taken the 1st initiation in Babaji's Kriya yoga and it did not cost very much anyhow. Appreciate that courses seem expensive, but it is worth considering that responsible schools will reconsider the fee based on what you can afford. So if you are interested why not write to them and offer a reasonable donation or ask for a reduction in fees.

I have studied a variety of styles of yoga, mainly Hatha (sporadically since my late teens), but have taken a keener interest over the last 5-6 years and also have a small appreciation of Raja and Kriya yoga (as above). Even from even my limited experience I would say it is worth seeking a good teacher, and as per the adage the teacher will appear!

Although I have read with delight some of Paramahansa Yogananda's books e.g. Autobiography of a Yogi, I would be unable to advise you about SRF courses, although I do know people who have enjoyed participation with the SRF etc. As far as I understand Govindan's approach is to reveal a greater number of the Kriya's via each initiation than the SRF might do.

Whether you decide to follow the western approach and take up SRF (and variants), Babaji Kriya Yoga or float off to India to seek a Kriya guru is up to you. Which ever way may I wish you a wonderful and peaceful journey!

Blessings,


Stephen  :D

If you want some background have a look at http://www.babaji.ca/english/

The short book by M. Govindan 'Babaji's Kriya Hatha Yoga' 18 postures of relaxation & rejuvenation is worth getting as it will give you a flavor for the physical side and good preparation of the body for the meditation.  The breath work (pranayama) can be found via the net, but are not described in the format i.e the system that would be taught to you during the initiations. It is worth considering that as a system it is designed to be effective as possible as such. i.e. there are no short cuts and it is best to be taught by and recieved via a good teacher!

JAW

If youre anything like me, you will go to one class, feel PHENOMENAL, then never stop going. Yoga is truly the best fitness I could suggest to anyone, plus it has the not so obvious spiritual bonuses.
When you ask why some event happened, the only true and complete answer is "The Universe", because if any part of the Universe had been different, things would have happened differently - Eliezer S. Yudkowsky

Tyciol

I wouldn't say it's necessarily the best fitness (that would depend on the type of yoga being studied, there are a lot) but it definitely has some of the best health benefits of exercises.

I am a yogi!

Was Yogi Bear a master of Yoga? He seemed very Taoist.

Leo Volont

Quote from: bacsy413i just wondered if any people on the astral pulse have been initiated into babaji's or SRF's kriya yoga and could teach me how to do it?

chow

I often tell people that "Autobiography of a Yogi" is the best introduction to spirituality that they could ever find, and it is as true now as it was 50 years ago.

One of my ex-wives was a Self Realization Fellowship Member.  She kept a picture of Babaji.  She was a Hari Krishna Person when I met her.  She really got around.

But I was never initiated into Kriya Yoga.  But I have a feeling that the techniques of the Kriya Yoga are not as important as the Relationship to their Gurus.  I think that the techniques of the Yoga, whatever they are, are incidental to the supernatural work done by the Spiritual Masters in their lineage.

But I advise against running off to find the latest young man pretending to be Babaji.  Every few years there is another 'Babaji' who pops up in India.  You need to remember that Babaji is KNOWN for His inaccessibility.  Any 'Babaji' who goes public and climbs down the Mountain or walks out of the Jungle is NOT Babaji.

But one can meet such Satgurus in one's Dreams.  

Regarding the Self Realization Fellowship's traditions... I may have had one experience.  You know how the Logo for their Organization is the Paramahamsa Swan.  Well, years ago, I had a Lucid Dream in which I levitated up and intoned an AUM and the air infront of me shimmered in waves and then space ruptured  and out came the White Light, and it formed up into an elaborate Light Sculpture of a Paramahamsa Swan, and then shot into my forehead... again and again and again.   But, then again, many Organizations in India use the Paramahamsa Swan as a Logo.  The Ramakrishna Vivekananda Society also uses that Swan.

I looked back at that very special dream and thought that it may have been generated by having did the Gayatri Mantra discipline for a year.  Or it may have come from a number of things.

But many people swear on the Gayatri Mantra.  Though I do think that perhaps the entire Indian Subcontinent is in on a huge conspiratorial Joke -- they all insist that the Gayatri will have no effect if it is not said quite perfectly, and then, whenever you find a tape which teaches the 'perfect' pronounciation, is is different from all the rest.  You wonder, then, how they could possibly be serious about pronounciation when it seems that nobody has ever bothered to say it the same way twice in a row.  So I have concluded that as long as one mumbles and slurs the Gayatri in some fashion or another, it is wonderfully effective.   Do a search of Gayatri Mantra and you will find plenty of sites.

Tyciol

I've never seen much value in saying specific mantras. Sure, they can help you vibrate and if you know what they mean, that meaning uttered repetitively may subconsciously affect you... but why do you need to say it in the Indian languages and not say it in your native language? It seems like hassle to me, and makes it hard to know the meaning of what you're saying.

pod_3

See the SRF Walrus, online.
http://p203.ezboard.com/bsrfwalrus
Here's an old pool of complaints. (Oops, I mean constructive criticism.)

http://p203.ezboard.com/fsrfwalrusfrm39.showMessage?topicID=39.topic
Apparently, this shows the location of the active one.

Reminded by Autobiography of a Yogi, I will say again that the simplicity of earlier yogis betrays the complications of cults.
Delete this, Major Tom. I will not have any more of my posts removed due to their rebuttal of admittedly anti-Semitic Illuminatists, who have have been referred to with quotes and specific bibliographical information.

Tyciol

I couldn't find anything regarding that in your links (though I didn't look farther than the pages) so I can't comment on them.

You mention simplicity betraying cult-hood. Perhaps, yes, but I think cults of the intelligent can still be formed by clouding the mind with complex distractions to memorize to blind one to the reality.

pod_3

Tyciol, how does confusion liberate?
Delete this, Major Tom. I will not have any more of my posts removed due to their rebuttal of admittedly anti-Semitic Illuminatists, who have have been referred to with quotes and specific bibliographical information.

Tom

Earlier today I found this web site:

http://www.thehomefoundation.com/Kriya.htm

I'm still waiting for an answer to my request for the free material. It has only been a couple of hours.

knucklebrain1970

Damn, I gotta quit my job and move to a cave with all these books I have and not enough time to read them all :shock:
I've requested the information as well. Do you think it's mostly meditating and such, or also physical stuff too? My body feels like I got run over by a semi although I do push ups and sit ups and cardio on the exercise bike daily. Perhaps yoga can help ha?

Kevin 34 going on 80
BUDDHAHOOD - THE END OF SUFFERING

pod_3

http://www.thehomefoundation.com/Kriya.htm
QuoteTo make the journey East, where the Star shines, deep within the blue pearl... where the master resides... there is a highway with many lanes...
It is a "diamond" lane of exquisitely refined, inner action

Do you know what this is?
http://www.thehomefoundation.com/thepathtogod-black.JPG
Delete this, Major Tom. I will not have any more of my posts removed due to their rebuttal of admittedly anti-Semitic Illuminatists, who have have been referred to with quotes and specific bibliographical information.

Tom

This web site has an offer which I'm looking into at this time:

http://www.thehomefoundation.com/Kriya.htm

knucklebrain1970

They sent me the link to the book. I'll have to print that out with the 50 other books I'm reading at the moment :lol: and find my cave.

Kevin
BUDDHAHOOD - THE END OF SUFFERING

Tyciol

Quote from: pod_3Tyciol, how does confusion liberate?
Did I say it did? Confusion sometimes brings new ideas in the chaos, and chaos can tear down false order systems while altering or refortifying the good ones... that's my best guess.

Adept_of_Light

Hi,

Interesting post. I would like to comment on the Gayatri Mantra. This Mantra is supposed to be the most important and most powerful out of all the Vedic texts (which are quite large and especially cryptic for a Westerner to understand since they are written in Sanskrit and translations to English lose vasts amount of meaning).

A Mantra isn't meant to be said once, the word mantra itself is associated with the concept of repetition and often doing so with a 'mala' (rosary like device with 108 balls - repeat the mantra once, then advance one ball on the mala).

That said, ultimately it is possible to speak the Mantra once and its powerful effects take place instantly.  The comments you make about 'speaking it perfectly' and how different people claim different ways to pronounce it perfectly actually misses the point. THe problem is in the concept of "speaking it perfectly".

The definition of this is vastly misunderstood! The 'speaking' is not meant to mean only the voice-like-sound that comes out of one's mouth. Like Kabbalistic speech, the verb should more correctly be called 'vibrating'. And by that, I still do not mean just the sound portion of it.  In order to 'say' the mantra perfectly, one's mind must be perfectly focused and clear, perfect intent must exist for each word, perfect energetic exercion must also exist, channel connection to the guruparampara must also be present, and yes lastly, correct pronounciation based on the original Sanskrit text should be performed and the Sanskirt language unlike English or French or most other languages does not allow for variations in pronounciation due to the construct of the language, you either pronounce it properly or you do not, there is no "tomatoes" (British Accent) and "tomatoes" (North American Accent).

What is gained from the correct pronounciation is immediate linking to a Vedic lineage... however significant effects can still be attained by repeating the mantra a zillion times, with correct and pure intent, because ultimately that is what really matters.

Anyway, the point being, there is a lot more to it than most people understand.

Cheers,
Adept of Light

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I looked back at that very special dream and thought that it may have been generated by having did the Gayatri Mantra discipline for a year.  Or it may have come from a number of things.

But many people swear on the Gayatri Mantra.  Though I do think that perhaps the entire Indian Subcontinent is in on a huge conspiratorial Joke -- they all insist that the Gayatri will have no effect if it is not said quite perfectly, and then, whenever you find a tape which teaches the 'perfect' pronounciation, is is different from all the rest.  You wonder, then, how they could possibly be serious about pronounciation when it seems that nobody has ever bothered to say it the same way twice in a row.  So I have concluded that as long as one mumbles and slurs the Gayatri in some fashion or another, it is wonderfully effective.   Do a search of Gayatri Mantra and you will find plenty of sites.
"First do what is necessary, then do what is possible, and soon you will be doing the impossible" St. Francis of Assis

Adept_of_Light

Hello,
The "blue pearl" is a symbolic representation of the pituatary gland found precisely in the centre of the head and to which the esoteric teachings state is the "seat of consciousness". It is the physical location where the non-physical mental chord (or diamond lane) connects the physical human to his more subtle mental body. By doing meditations and centering your awareness in this center part of the head, it becomes possible to 'raise' your awareness (up the channel), and discover your true divine self (where you came from).

Picture of the gland: http://ca.geocities.com/chris_anthistle/graphics/head.gif

In Hinduism, masters such as Krishna have their bodies portrayed in pictures with blue skin. This is to mean that the entire man is pure consciousness and is thus an Enlightened Master.

Picture of Krishna:
http://www.spiritualtimesindia.com/bhagwat-gita/gifs/krishna-arjuna-3.jpg

Cheers,
Adept of Light

PS. Can you see the diamond lane on the head of my Avatar ? ;-) hehe


Quote from: pod_3http://www.thehomefoundation.com/Kriya.htm
QuoteTo make the journey East, where the Star shines, deep within the blue pearl... where the master resides... there is a highway with many lanes...
It is a "diamond" lane of exquisitely refined, inner action

Do you know what this is?
http://www.thehomefoundation.com/thepathtogod-black.JPG
"First do what is necessary, then do what is possible, and soon you will be doing the impossible" St. Francis of Assis

Open-Minded-Soldier

I ve never attended Yoga but I plan to sometime this year and I hightly suggest Autobiography of a Yogi , as it was the book that introduced me to spirituality

Tom

Someone put "Autobiography of a Yogi" online:
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/preface.html

There are other books with the complete text from the same source:
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/index.html

Adept_of_Light

Hi,
Just buy the book if you can.

Like Astral Dynamics, it is very thick, very good, very inspirational and very cheap ;-)

When I first had it, I read a few pages before going to bed each night. It was wonderful.

One day a few years later I, myself went to India and verified with my own eyes some of the miracles described in the book.

Cheers,
Adept of Light

Quote from: TomSomeone put "Autobiography of a Yogi" online:
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/preface.html

There are other books with the complete text from the same source:
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/index.html
"First do what is necessary, then do what is possible, and soon you will be doing the impossible" St. Francis of Assis

Tyciol

I took a yoga class once at school, a girl's mother was teaching it. Not only was I the most flexible in the class, I was one out of only two guys :) I really wish we could have gotten it to be regular thing, it had some cute girls...

I did Wai Lana Yoga and Yoga Zone and Yoga with Padme, all good TV yoga stuff.

So, how flexible are we all here?