Do Christians Really worship a Volcano?

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Mustardseed

Quote from: NickJWThere is no need for you to be judgemental either Mustardseed. You assume my life is negative, I'm an antichrist worshiper, and that I'm out of line. I also think it is against AP etiquette to lie about channeling God. I would also care about your post if it actually came from an admin.
You obviously have a biased opinion as well, for if you look back on Abyss's (Debunker's) posts, you will see that the comments he makes are much more out of line.

And I'm not insulting Christianity by saying its bovine excrement, merely stating a fact. Just like your channeling is bovine excrement. :shock:

Dear Nick
Your arguments are not very clear. I assume you are Antichrist because you appear to be against Christians anti=against . About your life being negative that is not what I said . I merely stated that harboring and pouring out negativity will add negativity to your life.

Your post is very funny to me you sound like my kids so I expect you are quite young,

Jonny stop that

you stop it yourself

Jonny you are going to hurt yourself

well what about Bob you never tell him off

Jonny just watch out

nah nah nah nah na I do what I want you have no authority over me anymore I am adult and will be 17 soon

Come on Jonny I just want to help you
'
Excrement excrement excrement

Now to me that is funny

Grgards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Mustardseed

Quote from: LeylaI think a religion can be arrogant if it claims to be the "one true faith" and that everyone who doesn't follow it will go directly to hell. Especially if it sets out to brainwash the world into believing it at the point of a sword, or under pain of of buring at the stake.

I swear Abyss is not Debunker, his posts are sarcastic parody of Chrisitanity.

Also- Gdo, come out with it- do you believe you're god?

Mustardseed is just feeling wounded, handle him gently, he's not a bad person. Remember any one of us could be accused of having a case of "the crazies" just for experiencing OBE's.

I couldn't agree with you more. However it is a circular argument. In order to determine what a religion teaches you would have to include everyone. It would be the same as saying all men are chauvinist, all Americans are fat or Muslims are terrorists.........some men are some Americans and some Muslims are as well.
That was my point

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Ryuji

interesting until the flame wars started :/

anyways last time i checked MustardS was doing some channeling and not your average judge dred.

if a certain 'religion' was arrogant towards you, then its good to show them that you have grown past that arrogance and can except them even if they don't except you and not be nasty towards them.

remember that we all was there at some point or in some way. heck even i was uber doom priest of a certain religion judging and brimstone + fire ppl if they dared to be different, but now i have come to be more open minded and are thankful for those who have bared my ignorance and was patience with me.

i had to learn the hard way. i can now never say i am sorry to my friend who i rebuked and have died in accident, but i take it that she now knows that i know that what i have said to her i was wrong then and are sorry now for it.

i also experience those anti-open-free-minded against my beliefs and try to be nice to them which is better than having same judgmental actions.

anyways back to topic...

any read up on those volcano conclusions you have Leyla ? :)
[except the bible verses]

thank god we all different would been VERY boring otherwise

blessings
Ryu

NickJW

I'm the childish one, yet you spent almost your whole post on trying to say I'm childish? Tells me something about Mustardseed...

J.K.

This thread is absolutely classic...    :smile:  lol

Mustardseed

Ha yes it is very funny indeed...........I don't know what it is about me, probably something I have to work at once in a while (my wife always says I am childish and immature, but she likes that ha), it is true though and once in a while I do take up these "challenges" in spite of knowing for a fact that I cannot "win" such an argument. I have raised 8 kids through teen years yet I don't seem to learn.....silly me.

Someone told a story once that I remember so clearly, and related it to having a discussion with his teenage son.

Here goes........

A new intern student joined the staff at a insane asylum and was shown around by the resident doctor. He was introduced to Mr. Smith and the doctor explained that Mr. Smith was a schizophrenic who believed he was dead. Because of his mental illness Mr Smith was not able to reason like someone without the said malady.

The new intern spent a few days at the facility but he was fascinated by what he had been told and because he was new inexperienced in the area of mental illnesses, yet very curious, he just had to talk to Mr. Smith and got a idea.

He approached him one morning.......


"Good morning Mr Smith, I have been told that you are dead..is that true"

"Yes sir I sure am, dead as a doornail"

"Very interesting Mr Smith, I have a suggestion for you, I would like to use this small needle and puncture your thumb for a blood sample .....would that work?"

"No sir it would not, cause dead people don't bleed...the heart don't beat so..... we don't bleed........ that would be impossible"


"Oh I see" the intern said "dead people don't bleed lets check this out  now". He quickly took Mr Smiths hand and nimbly punctured his thumb and a red dot started to form as he started bleeding, "and what do you say now Mr Smith he said with a triumphant smile....?

My Smith lifted his thumb looked closely at it and said, "well I'll be darned Dead people DO bleed then".

Some arguments just cannot be "won".

Disclaimer: The author of this post does not think that anyone in particular on the AP is afflicted with schizophrenia. Any likeness with any posters, or any similarities are purely coincidental. (Besides please don't sue, gotta put my kids through college) :roll: .

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Leyla

Ryuji- Sorry, don't know of any read ups as it was my own research. But I have heard there is a paragraph or two about Yahweh being a volcano in some other books.

MS- In order to determine what a religion teaches you look at their book. The bible is almost entirely violent. I have found the christians who are not arrogant and condemning are being nice despite what their religion teaches, not because of it.

Mustardseed

Dear Leyla

I would beg to differ. In the old testament you are not reading about Christians, you are reading about Jews, or Hebrews and Arabs, Canaanites etc. It is not a Christian book per se but a history account of things that happened before the Christian era. It is not followed by Christians nor adhered to as laws to be kept. The New testament is the part where Jesus changes things. He said that "you have heard an eye for an eye but I say to you if one smites you on the right cheek turn the left also" , he also said "do good to those who persecute you and pray for those who abuse you".

The non violent and pacifistic nature of Jesus and the commandment he clearly gave his followers is evident. You however are looking at history, the inquisition and Bush and so forth, those who claim to be Christians. His nature was that of a "sheep who was led to a slaughter and who never even opened his mouth to defend himself". Not a retaliating vicious master who ridiculed and oppressed his opponents.

I do not claim that atrocities have not been committed in the name of Christ, but I claim that there is no commandment to commit such things in his Words, but on the contrary Christians are urged to humble themselves even to death to be a sample of His love. We as Christians often fail at this, if we do it is our fault not His.

In the light of this how does Islam rate and Mohamed. Peace full warlike humble proud what do you think, I assume you are Muslim living in BD or at least know the religion well.

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Ryuji

thanks Leyla,

to be short another interesting note
if you compare the deity from the old testament and the new testament
and what they are doing and saying it would also seem that its 2 different
deities.

for example:
old - very violent and jealous (only worship me or die)
Exodus 20: 1-17 (for I the Lord your God am a jealous God)

new - loving, compassionate and forgiving
the one in new one clearly states the he is love and what love is as described in 1 Corinthians 13:1-7 (...and is not jealous)

--> Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change.

also there are some sources as the Jesus Mysteries that points the the old testament to be history of Jews and the new testament was started by the gnosis the teach the Jews about the whole god's son 'Dionysius dying resurrecting' teaching - theres a bunch of god's and goddess's sons that was send, died and resurrected bit wee long list of those.

religion for me is interesting subject to study. the whole lot of them. in the end it seems that the core teaching, all though different wording teaches more or less the same thing.

best thing would be to except other ones believes and enjoy the differences rather than killing a fellow person just because he/she don't share your believes.

its good to ponder about things and what is out there rather than just using the religions book as a sole guide to life. I'm quite sure that god didnt intend us to use our interpretations (or religions) as a how-to, FaQ or rulebook to be followed blindly while living.

Blessings,
Ryu

The only limit in life is yourself! Explore all. try everything as long as you don't harm anyone - that includes you too[/color] :P
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Abyss

TUPAC – Ghetto Gospel ft Elton John

I'm DUM struck, finally...

*Decodes the whole environment, sows every incidence*

Hear this; Seeds are Dum, it isn't until they absorb there substance, that they grow, unto the Birds sing.  

"Every Mustard Seed, Is a Beautiful kingdom"

DUM, I REMEMBER MY SUBSTANCE!

WATCH PEACE RADIATE

(I know it's extremely difficult)

God cares immensely for every single mustard seed there is, and so do I, sorry to offend anyone, I think there's alot of misunderstanding going on, partly my fault, i'm just trying to live over here!
"I leave YOU people with the Unmanifested Presence"

"D.R.E.A.M"  'DumRulesEverythingAroundMe'

Selski

Mustardseed - I would just like to sidle into the conversation and say that I loved the Mr Smith story, thanks for sharing that - sidling out again...

Sarah
We all find nonsenses to believe in; it's part of being alive.

NickJW

I think Abyss is Debunker, although his personality has deffinitly changed.

Ryuji

Abys  :roll:
the DUM not too bad, made me have a good smirk hehe

dead dude story. enjoyable

blessings,
Ryu

Leyla

Of course its I=MC2!

I'd recognize him anywhere. Even under a veil.

paker7

http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Archaeology/eden.htm

"The Biblical word gan (as in Gan Eden) means `walled garden,' " Rohl continues, "and the valley is indeed walled in by towering mountains."  The highest of these is Mt. Sahand, a snow-capped extinct volcano that Rohl identifies as the Prophet Ezekiel's Mountain of God, where the Lord resides among `red-hot coals' (Ezekiel 28:11-19).  Cascading down the once-fiery mountain, precisely echoing Ezekiel, is a small river, the Adji Chay (the name of which also translates in local dialect as 'walled garden').  The locals still hold the mountain sacred, Rohl says, and attribute magical powers to the river's water.

Commoners believe - winners KNOW !

paker7

Quote from: MustardseedDear Leyla

I would beg to differ. In the old testament you are not reading about Christians, you are reading about Jews, or Hebrews and Arabs, Canaanites etc. It is not a Christian book per se but a history account of things that happened before the Christian era. It is not followed by Christians nor adhered to as laws to be kept.

Oh really ? What about the Ten Commandments  (Exodus 20:2-17) ?

Commoners believe - winners KNOW !

Leyla

Very interesting Paker. Very interesting indeed.

MS- The last time I was in a christian church they were preaching from the old testament. A great deal of christian doctrine is based on it.

Mustardseed

Dear Leyla
I am wondering if you are really interested, if you are I shall be glad to explain the issue but it is a quite involved issue and would require you to read some for yourself.The Bible is comprised of 2 books and in order to understand it in its entirety you would have to read what it says, any thing else would be hearsay.

I can assure you that the most raging religious controversy between Christians is exactly on this issue. Christians are not expected to keep the law laid out in the OT, but are expected instead to keep Gods law as described in the NT, which in essence is to love.

This is a problem for many Churches who feel their power over people would smolder , and so they ignore this and stay with old making their Church a mish mash of various OT and NT doctrines.


Explaining this from the NT is not complicated but I do not feel comfortable about doing it in this forum. I hope you understand.

If you are very keen just approach any Christian board and ask <"do I have to keep the 10 commandments to be pleasing God" the debate that unfolds will hold every doctrine for and against.  :razz:

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Ryuji

um  :roll:

there seems to be different versions of the bible (this now being the canon of books) which one is the correct one to read and not 'hearsay' as you put it ?

as what I've read so far the Catholics decided some way back what not and whats to be included in the total bible...

also thing that i have been wondering about is why are all the main figures in most religions male.  the main god(s), angels, sons that was sent and humans of note ? it would seem that those religions was written from a male perspective excluding the woman and in some cases make them the bringers of sin/evil moreover a definite relation towards a certain race aswell.

Christianity - why is the streets of heaven depicted as gold. it sounds like a casino or some dream of umber wealth.
other religions haven't read on how they depict heaven to be  :shock:  


i have a curious mind and it will be curious at all times  :wink:

Peace and love,
Ryu

Leyla

Mustardseed-

This is exactly the kind of christian arrogance that offends me. You really think you have something about the bible to "explain" to me?

Well you don't.

I went to Baptist Bible school for elementary, Catholic school for junior high, and spent two years of high school with orthadox Jews. On top of this I had a Moslem stepfather.

I know it from every possible angle.  I have quite a reputation. Christian pastors call me, when they have a question about the Bible.

You just can't wrap your mind around the concept. In your mind, if someone isn't a christian, it must mean they don't "understand."  

The fact is, I know it and that is why I rejected it.

You're not the first, so let me inform you of the thin ice you're now treading. I had another just like you, a Christian Missionary, and graduate of Grand Rapids Bible University. He too felt he needed to "set me straight."

Night after night we sat with the KJV, a concordance, and Strongs bible dictionary.

I cracked him in three days. He is now a pagan.

Stookie

I'm gonna chime in for a sec. Not siding with anyone.

I grew up in a Lutheran church and school. We were taught that the Old Testament were the old ways. There were rules such as the Ten Commandments and other wacky things that were hard to live by, and we were judged accordingly by these deeds. And that's a reason why Christ came to earth. So even if we don't live accordingly, we can repent and have a clean slate. That's what the New Testament preaches. The only way to God is through redemption in Christ. The Old Testament rules no longer apply, however they are still important in the history of Christianity leading up to Jesus and why he came. The New Testament wouldn't make any sense without the Old.

(It's not necessarily what I believe, just what I learned growing up.)

NickJW

Lol thats pretty lucky turning a Christian into a Pagan. Most Christians have the logic centers in their brains slightly out of whack and are living in a dream world; they are slightly disconnected from reality. Most of the time no matter how much you disprove their religion, they still won't buy it, so I congradulate you on actually turning a Christian away from his religion. You must really know alot about the bible to do that. :grin:

Mustardseed

Dear Leyla

Thanks for the reply. I realize that you are probably pretty ticked off and-........ well in your own way maybe a bit hurt at Gods seeming absence in your life.........always pretty irritating when he leaves you to make up your own mind.

I can't give you a lot, I honestly thought that you did not understand this issue and the controversy surrounding the old and new testament and it seems I was wrong. You however are also wrong if you assume it was arrogance that prompted me to answer you as I did.

The issue to me is not whether you can "crack" me or not...........much to your disappointment I was cracked a long time ago by people and loving wisdom which spoke to me on its own...........lets just say God cracked me.

The truth of God (as I see it) is not to be found in the church....nor in its very narrow minded interpretation of the Bible..Crack crack The truth is much bigger than most Christians realize , so maybe we do not disagree that much.....

The Truth tells me Leyla that a word of love spoken with kindness and with respect can bring souls together-----------it tells me that words great and swelling spoken in anger does nothing but hurt people....in my opinion and only mine..God loves you as much as me and Osama Bin Laden as much ad George W  Bush, he is not willing that any should suffer , for he is love true love and does not see right and wrong as we do.

Also anger and aggression are vain, they bring nothing good with them they are all together a waste of energy

Thanks for the instruction and setting me straight I wish you all the best

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!

Leyla

Mustardseed-

I am not a Christian, therefore, God must be absent in my life.  :roll:

Nick-

This guy prided himself that Christianity was logical, and that he could sit down with me, using reason, and prove Christianity worked. I decided the best way to get this over quickly was to go for the jugular. No Risen Savior, no Christianity.

I knew full well most Christians will reject things like historical evidence saying haughily "If it's not in the Bible I don't believe it!" (The irony being they have no idea what's in their Bible.) So, I took him through the four gosples book by book, account by account. Proving they would not hold up as evidence in any court.

(Here is but a small sampler of what I showed him.)

WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?

-Mark 15:21 Simon of Cyrene. (Matt 27:32 and Luke 23:26 agree with Mark) Simon carried it, by himself.
-John 19:17 says "JESUS himself carried the cross."
(No where does it say the cross was carried by both men. According to the gospel, it is either one or the other.)

DID EITHER OF THE TWO THIEVES BELIEVE JESUS?

-Matt 27:44 says niether one believes
-Mark 15:32 niether one believes
-Luke 23:39-41 one does not, but one DOES
(only one gospel out of four has the famous conversion story)

HOW LONG WAS JESUS IN THE TOMB?

(remember jews count days from sundown to sundown)
-Matt 28:1 Three days and two nights
-Mark 16:2 Three days and two nights
-Luke 24:1 Three days and two nights
-John 20:1 Two days and two nights

*WHY IS HIS TIME IN THE TOMB SO IMPORTANT?*
Because it means he was not the true Messiah.

In Matt 12:38-40 he said he would remain in the tomb for THREE days and THREE nights, and that would be the sign he was the true messiah. Jesus did not fullfill his own prophecy.

IS MARY PERMITTED TO TOUCH JESUS AFTER THE RESURRECTION?

-Luke 24:39 Yes "Behold my hands and feet..handle me and see."
-John 20:17 No "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my father."

WHO WAS AT THE TOMB, AND WHAT DID THEY SEE WHEN THEY GOT THERE?

-Matt 28 Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw one angel.
-Mark 16 Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome saw a young man in white.
-Luke 24 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women that were with them saw two men in shining garments
-John 20 Mary Magdalene saw two angels in white.

WHERE DID THE DISCIPLES MEET THE RESURRECTED JESUS

-Matt 28:6-7 "Galilee"
-Luke 2433-36 "Jerusalem"
(They are about seventy five miles apart)

HOW MANY DISCIPLES DID JESUS HAVE?

-MARK 3:16-19 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis bar halphaios, iakobos bar halphaios, thaddaios, Simon the Kananite zealot)
-MATTHEW 10:2-4 TWELVE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, lebbaios thaddaios, simon the Kananite zealot)
-LUKE 6:13-16 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, judus bar Iakobos, simon the Kananite zealot)
-JOHN only mentions NINE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas the twin, judas bar simon the iskariot,
Ioudas, Nathanael of Kana)

*Note: All together we have the names of FIFTEEN different men!

JESUS NEVER ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN

After that, I pointed out the so called "Assuption of Christ," rising into the clouds, is a footnote blocked off with a bracket, with a disclaimer at the bottom clearly stating the verse should not be there, but was added.

That's why the New American Standard, the New International Version, and the New Revised Standard Version never even mention the assumption of Christ, at all.

Seeing he had his faith based around a footnote, he crumbled.

My friend had read the Bible cover to cover, four times. He had been to Bible college. He thought he knew the book, and yet had never before noticed the contradictions. He had read it, but not with his eyes open.


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Mustardseed

Dear Leyla

Sorry you feel that way...........this however is your conclusion alone, not mine and I do not think..........Gods. I have often seen you express feelings of love and concern for others and a lot of good humor as well. According to the God I believe in He is then not absent from you............but very present

1 John 4:8 - He that loves not knoweth not God; for God is love.  (that would mean = he that loves knows god for God is love)

1 John 4:16 - And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.  

I love you too

Regards Mustardseed
Words.....there was a time when I believed in words!