Question, Inguma..

[neg removal5]

First off, I didn't send that deranged and unbalanced woman above that message.  But it sounds like the person who did send it was probably right on track.  And in interpreting the message above it doesn't sound like anyone's stalking her, it sounds like the person whoever wrote it is telling her that if there is a God, that he hopes God gives her everything that she deserves.  I think the person is right on track there to.  Especially if he is someone that might have received a message from her like I did for no justifiable reason at all, and espectially if the person had never said anything about her at all.  Also if the person that sent her the message happened to recieve anykind of message like I received from her on that thread you closed, it actually sounds like that guy who sent her that message went light on her, compared to her messages.

Secondly if anyone needs to be kicked off the forum it needs to be goingslow, silva, alchimiste, and Nay.  These people enjoy running new members off the forum.  They tried to run Spirit gurl off the forum, along with quite a few others.  Everyone of them started something with Spirit gurl if you go back and look at the posts.

Look at the message that Nay said before you closed out that thread, and she said all that stuff to me, without me even ever saying one thing against her.  If anything, she is the one that is posting abusive messages, and she should be kicked off the site, or at least goingslow or alchimiste as those 2 are the starters of everything from the beginning.  If you look at my original posts on this forum, it was all about finding things that could help people who were being attacked by "negs".  That's when the pranksters Alchimiste and goingslow started trying to start things.

I would also like to ask, based upon that lovely message that Nay posted on that thread that you closed.  Could you also insure that the deranged woman cannot send me any e-mails.

[alchimiste]

neg removal5 Posted - 01 July 2003 : 22:11:01
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First off, I didn't send that deranged and unbalanced woman above that message. But it sounds like the person who did send it was probably right on track. And in interpreting the message above it doesn't sound like anyone's stalking her, it sounds like the person whoever wrote it is telling her that if there is a God, that he hopes God gives her everything that she deserves. I think the person is right on track there to. Especially if he is someone that might have received a message from her like I did for no justifiable reason at all, and espectially if the person had never said anything about her at all.

Secondly if anyone needs to be kicked off the forum it needs to be goingslow, silva, alchimiste, and Nay.

Look at the message that Nay said before you closed out that thread, and she said all that stuff to me, without me even ever saying one thing against her. If anything, she is the one that is posting abusive messages, and she should be kicked off the site, or at least goingslow or alchimiste as those 2 are the starters of everything from the beginning. If you look at my original posts on this forum, it was all about finding things that could help people who were being attacked by "negs". That's when the pranksters Alchimiste and goingslow started trying to start things.

I would also like to ask, based upon that lovely message that Nay posted on that thread that you closed. Could you also insure that the deranged woman cannot send me any e-mails.



From Subject:  Message from a messenger of God
neg removal5
Active Member


In response to the gentlman known as Neg removal 5 and to Nay I would like to publish on this very public forum the private message I too recieved obviously condemming me to the same fate.

Don't worry Nay you are going down on......sorry with me (sexist joke just to ease our decsent into the firey pits!!!!)


USA
87 Posts
 Sent - 01 July 2003 :  21:32:39        
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Alchimiste

I'm tired of messing around with you. I've now only got one thing left to say to you. You better hope that you are one of the biggest repenters in the world. Because if I have any clout with God, which I do. I pray that you do not live very much longer, and that you go to Hell. You messed with the wrong person Alchimiste, now just see what happens in your life from here on out. You are about to find out if there is really a God or not. And you thought you couldn't find the answer to that question. The answer to that question is going to find you sooner than you think. And I for one votes that he takes you down. You can try pulling all your stunts on him if you like, because soon enough you are going to encounter him, and he is going to deal with you. Count on it!


Have a good day

Bye

[alchimiste]

Quote......"Because if I have any clout with God, which I do. I pray that you do not live very much longer, and that you go to Hell. You messed with the wrong person Alchimiste, now just see what happens in your life from here on out"

I messed with NOBODY!.......Ciao

[ronaldo]

hi nay

If I were u I would bend this guy over and stick a big dildo up his bum

[neg removal5]

The Problem is no one can presently go around sticking a dildo up anyone's bun, because they presently are all in your mouth.  Well not all the time, because as you can see from you picture, when you're taking your head up it's no longer in your mouth.  I for one would try to help you out by sticking a dildo up your bun, but you keep moving around to much with the ones in your mouth for me to do that for you Ronaldo.  But if you keep behaving like you are Ronaldo (bobbing up and down), you are going to attract a lot of guys over there including me who would like to bend you over and stick a dildo up your bun.

Oh and I wanted to throw one in for the guy who made those messages up above in response to troublemakers on this forum, about hoping they get there's from God.  I think that guy should have included you (Ronaldo) to join them in the inferno party. And I formally make the request that he does.  Alchimiste seemed to find humor in it, so maybe if you take some marshmellows and some of those winnies you are working over, you can have a good ole laugh.  

And Alchimiste I know what you mean.  I get messages like that all the time from people I have never messed with or bothered.  People are naturally like that, they will send messages to somebody who has never been causing them problems.  So whoever sent you that message, it's a 100% possibility that you were causing them problems.  I guess someone could go back and read all your posts to find out for sure.

[neg removal5]

I'm apparently outnumbered here 4 to 5 troublemakers, to one person who just wanted to find out some helpful information on the forum.  Now for now on, if anyone puts any quotes down they need to do it like Alchimiste did.  That way you will not be able to add your own edits to it. For example:  I like how you edited and put in the comment "filthy grump" on your quote their Silva.  I didn't say that you said it about yourself, and made the edit saying that.  What does that say about your thinking. I don't think Silva is filthy, she could be but I wouldn't know that.  But I do think she is a female that goes around causing problems on the forums, jumping in and starting something with someone for no reason at all, because one of her other troublemaker friends ask her to.

I admit that I sent those messages.  But Silva has edited hers.  We need to see the one that goingslow recieved before we can tell if he edited his.

But just as I sent those 4 messages in one form or another, exceptions for the alterations made so far by clever Silva.  So to did all 4 of you send about the 30 or more derogatory messages and replies on my topic sites.  You all seem to outnumber me 4 or 5 to one.  And you replies and messages also seem to outnumber my final 4 messages to you all by about 10 to 1.

It seemed that everytime I tried to just find out some helpful information on this web page, that one or more of you would immediately attack or smart off, or do something else.  I finally reached my point.  I honestly feel that the things and problems you caused me, you would cause to God or anyone else if you could.

Truth is the truth even when it's in the minority.

I admit I do not like any of those 4 or 5 people, and I will also admit I do not wish them luck in the after life.  You didn't see by any of their comments or replies wishing me well or good luck in this life or any other.  There are many people on these forums that I wish good luck to, but not to those 4 or 5.  One reason being is because if a deterrant isn't set in their way, they will continue to harm others.

Well in that sense maybe "Hell" could be a prison where those people just couldn't harm any other people anymore.

Alchimiste claims how there is freedom of speech on these forums and he can go around slandering anyone that he chooses.  Maybe that is so.  But if people on this forum have a right to try to slander people, then a person should have a right to say something back in self-defense.

It would be different if all these people were sweet and innocent, "Oh poor little me I never did nothing, I never messed with nobody (As Alchimiste has said)", but they're not.

If things get out of hand a moderator can step in and tell all parties involved not to post on certain people's forums, and not to send any e-mails anymore after the battles have finally come to an end.  Or if possible block e-mails all together, as I for one do not want to recieve anymore messages or e-mails from any of the people mentioned above.

But I don't think it's right for 4 to 5 troublemakers to start something with somebody which is clearly abusive and intentional, and then go run to a moderator and say, "Oh sweet innocent me's" didn't do anything and look what this person said about me.

That would lead to unfair play on the forum where small groups of bullies of 4 to 5 could go around causing problems everywhere, and acting like they own the forums themselves.

[bba]

Do you can forgive now? The human beings !

[no_leaf_clover]

uhhhhhhh..... another locked topic here? soon? hmm?

the admin should be able to see what messages were and werent sent, right?

[ronaldo]

Hey Neg

You are a total nut

[Rob]

OK I am not going to comment on the topic at hand, as most people here are highly intelligent and fully capable of sifting wheat from the chaff to see who is being honest and who isn't.
Further, I am not going to lock the thread (for now...), as I HATE the use of power over others in forums unless it is absolutely necessary.
Instead, I am going to request that:
a) Nobody replies to this topic, unless they have something truly constructive and honest to say (which, by the state of this thread, is unlikely)
b) People quit, totally, calling eachother names and being obscene. Check out the forum policy, and please abide by it.
c) In the future - all such emails like those sent by neg removal be sent to a moderator/admin to sort out in private. Putting things out into the open might be good in some respects, but overall it only stirs up more trouble in the long run.

Thankyou for your cooperation....play nice now eh?

Rob

[goingslow]

Yes lets put the death threats and curses aside and move on like nice forum members.

It struck me a little weird the only ones on this thread who were told to do anything differently were those that dared to post the threats for others to see.  What would happen differently in PM if we sent them to a mod.  It seems there's nothing wrong with them.  Well I'll post mine anyway because Im sort of proud of it.  

quote:Goingslow

I'm tired of messing with you. You want to find out the answer of whether there is a God or not. Well buddy you are going to find out firsthand. You better be one of the best repenters in the world. Because if I have any clout with God, which I do. I pray that you do not live very much longer, and that you go to Hell.

You shouldn't have got on these forums playing around, and now it has cost you your life. I hope the playing around was worth it goingslow. As I said before you better hope you are one of the best repenters in the world. But don't go by what I'm saying, just see what happens in your life from this point on. You wanted to find out the answer to whether there was a God or not. Well buddy now that answer is going to find you. You should have been more friendly and professional on the sites when you had a chance, instead of scheming things, and now it's to late.

You will be getting a visit from God or one of his representatives, and he is going to deal with you. And I really hope you think all of this is funny, that way when the smirk goes off your face, God will have that much more satisfaction in doing what he justifiably has a right to do. Your time is coming goingslow. Count on it!

No one here will say I tried to shy away from conflict.  But this type of thing is psychotic and if a monitor wont even say it crosses the line I have no clue what type of post would cross the line.

I can take anything aimed at me but a female friend rt is different.  Dont worry about me commenting to neg removal anymore his post to Jenn (silva) saw to that.  If you really read alchimistes and my posts most were somewhat playful.  Nothing reached this level.  Luckily she isnt the type of person to care what some mentally unstable guy who thinks god would kill people for him says about her.  As any guy here can understand Im a little more upset than she is.  

But Im more surprised there was not even a single statement from the mods saying it was inappropriate.  A bunch of people going back and forth on a few topics is a lot different from this.  Yet we should go to pm when this is what pm got us?

Im surprised.. but I'll get over it.  And neg removal no longer exists to me.  Its as simple as that.

[Rob]

(sighs)

Like I said, I prefer to do this sort of thing in private, but since you mention it - yes, those mails are TOTALLY inappropriate, and I have already warned neg removal to quit it, as is the policy around here. If he continues on in this way, I would really appreciate being alerted to the fact. That sort of behavour is obviously unacceptable, and my apologies for not speaking out about it in my previous post, but I didn't want to start more arguments. Deceit is insideous.

Rob

[neg removal5]

Hi Inguma

   Apparently goingslow decided to totally be disrespectful to you concerning the first warning you gave to all members.  He is part of a tight group of bullies on this forum.  Also he is the cause of everything that just transpired, and he has the nerve to disregard what you just said in your previous comment and continue to try to stir up something that he started to begin with.

He told that female friend of his Silva to jump onto a site, and start something with someone for no reason at all, and told her to call the person stupid and moron and other names for no reason at all when that person didn't know her from Adam.  And had never said anything on the forums to her up until that point in time.  He couldn't even say the things his self, so he tried to get a woman to start things for him, and she was totally and completely in the wrong for doing that.  He was totally and completely in the wrong for asking her to do that.  Alchimiste and goingslows replies on the website have not been courteous and kidding around, they have been rude, insulting, obscene, and derogatory, along with invalidating from the very beginning.  Here's a reply by goingeasy where he admits to stirring everything up, and getting his friend to do what she did.


goingslow
Status: offline
USA
603 Posts
Posted - 02 July 2003 :  02:59:41          
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Just a to whomever cares thing. Its not like I called someone up and said Hey do me a favor.. come on this board.

I showed her the little arguments going on she thought it was funny.. she later on responded.


By all their comments they were not wishing me will, nor were they wishing me a good life or long life, nor were they wishing me goodluck in this life or the next.  I finally reached enough with those guys, as they also try to always draw other people into the situation.  I just gave what they were wishing me back to them, but at least I was nice encough to do it in private.  I made no death threats, I just told them I hope God gives them what they deserve.  If God acts upon that or thinks it might be a good idea, who can question God if he decides to do something or not. Whether I sincerely expected God to do something or not, or whether I'm a person who just finally got pushed to my limits.  Whether I was serious or not, Goingslow seems to think there have never been any humans that God would consider such a request from, he is mistaken.  Their names are Elijah, and Paul, and a few others.  They have made such statements to God, and God has acted upon them.  So I guess they would be classified as mentally unstable people to, and they were people who actually meant it.  

Whether I just got pushed to the limit, and meant what I said or not, I just know I got upset and tried to find the words of how upset I was. They are real smart they go out and try to push certain people to their limits, and then they try to turn around and act like they weren't doing anything.  Goingslow acts like he's upset.  Well Goingslow ought to be more upset than anyone else on this forum, after all, he put Silva up to going around and causing problems with people for no reason at all.  Goingslow goes out to try to kill (slang for trying to cause them a lot of problems) people on the forums and sends in his buddies, and when he can't pull off what he is trying to do, he gets upset.  If you ask me that is the sure sign of a mentally unstable guy. (his line of thinking, oh you won't stand still and let me break your arms and legs, oh now I'm upset and I'm going to go tell everybody - that's how logical goingslow's thinking is)

Again I was finally tired of the problems they kept causing me, but I was nice enough to respond in private.  They have been doing it in public.  And are continuing to do it in public, by goingslows intentional disregard of your warning to all parties.  It's like he's saying my group can bully any new members on this forum, and we can also bully any particular moderator because of our bully numbers.  He (goingslow) then says just watch how I disrespect this moderator and he doesn't do anything about it.

Inguma, you know what went on.  You know goingslow had silva jump on that forum and start something for no good reason at all.  You closed out that thread, and it's still perfectly clear on that thread what happened.  Silva jumped in there just to causes problems at goingslow's request.

I will also inform you if on any other topics that I have on the forum, if one of the parties listed above jumps on it and starts causing anything again.  I will not reply to their attempted invalidating remarks, I will just send you an email informing you of the situation, so you can give them another warning if needs be. Already another one of their buddies below, Jacob, is trying to continue everything.  If the person below does not leave me alone at any new topics I create on the forum, I will send you an e-mail regarding him.  Goingslow up above said that I don't exist to him.  That is odd because I have been trying to not exist to them, or them to me, for the past 30 or more derogatory comments him and his bully friends have been putting on my topics, as they wouldn't leave me alone.

Could you please inform goingslow, who thinks he is a moderator and who thinks he has the power of a moderator, that what he and alchimiste did in starting things with new members and trying to get buddies on the forum to start things with other people is totally inappropriate.  I believe if they were to receive such a warning, which is only just based on their behaviors and derogatory reply posts where they have been following all my topics around.  I believe that would be fair to all people on the forum, and would also serve to let goingslow, and alchimiste, and a few others know that they didn't get away with something, and put a deterrant in their path where they do not engage in such totally inappropriate behavior with other new members or people on the forum again.


Thank You, Inguma.

At least I'm respectful enough to thank you when I talk to you, and I don't deliberately disregard things that you say as goingslow and probably a few others would do.  I want to thank you for being fair in this situation.

[jacob]

Neg,

Your paranoid and you don't know when to stop.

[jacob]

I'd better watch out, it looks like negs got it in for me too just because I have an opinion.

[Squeek]

Inguma, I can kinda see where you're coming from on this.

It really isn't easy having a job like this.  As much as some of the other users may think, moderating a forum with this many users is way hard.  It requires a lot of dedication to get the job done everyday.  So just by simply agreeing to follow a few simple rules everyday makes their job about 50x easier.

How do I know this?  I moderate a chat room with about 50 people in it constantly chatting.  It's hard work, but the job must get done.  It's very difficult to use the features they give you as a moderator, so Inguma is being very patient as any moderator would.

It should probably be in your best interest to listen to what they have to say.

~Squeek

[Tayesin]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

All those who try you are a gift in disguise.  You have a contract with them that you both aggreed on before incarnating here.  Look inside yourself and go to the place you feel for this.  Remember what this contract is for. If not, then be a tree amongst the shrubs and let the winds of these people pass by you, leaving you feeling unaffected.  That is a mark of intelligence, true spiritual understanding and it allows us to see the sameness of our spirits.  Let no one sway you with words that have meaning in the realms.  If you refuse to enter the battlefield, they will eventually lose interest and go somewhere else.  Love always, Tayesin

[SpectralDragon]

I vote for de-modding, she just made a very agressive attack on my personal life that was very degrading.

[Sam]

I was in that conversation.  Spectral had just revealed some very personal information and she used it to hurt him.  I don't know why you did it Nay, but it was bad taste if like you say it was a "joke".

This is getting a little bit out of hand.  We've all been insulted by people and most of us can take it but its just not on for apparently "enlightened" people to go around hurting other peoples feelings, intentionally or unintentionally.

[SpectralDragon]

And BTW Nay, Sam was in the conversation to show you what I can do with someone I had absolutely no contact with previously. He was the proof you asked for.

[Gwathren]

Friends,

by the way, I wish you all the best, Gandalf![]

OK, really too. Since I think arguing itself isn't bad. It's a way to learn to widen your knowladge and respect other people's opinions. It's a way to become smarter and wiser. But like every thing, there is a line that may not be crossed. There are laws and ethics. Keep these things in mind, OK?

Can't we all just get along?

Neg remover5, please do appologise and the other guy too.

[Nay]

Uh...did ya'll look at the original date on that? This happened waaaaay before I became a moderator..[]

And what in the world are you talking about, a personal attack?  SD if you notice on messenger PLUS, it keeps a copy of ALL logs while speaking to someone..[] you didn't know that did you? [] Oh..boy, you two are rich!  it only goes to show that you are the liar that I thought you were.  What is crazy is you two just made up some personal attack, when it was the other way around!! So now I have proof that you have no problem or lack of imagination to make up a story.  Hmmmmm..what is your thread called?  Thanks for making my day!!!  Whoo hoo!

Hugs..Nay []

[SpectralDragon]

Nay, you just showed me how hard you hit below the belt, I am talking to Adrian and Robert Bruce.

Yes, I did through jibes of my own, but I never went as low as you did. And you know what we speak of. I just sent that whole convo to Adrian. I highlighted the worst part of it in red.

I do apoligize for the jibes I gave you, not that it matters because you never listened to a word I said anyway []

[Nay]

I apologize as well for calling you a liar..and I shouldn't have done that.  but why did you make up that story?

LOL..this is getting to be a soap opera, perhaps I should check my ego, huh?  

Poor Adrian, he already has his hands full with his own children, now he has to be Dad to us. []

Hope we can be friends again and start over..[^]

And I will start using the PM again..and stop boring the people on the forums..

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

Well, this turned out to be an example of how 2 people acting childish cannot possibly get any understanding between each other.

The one thing Nay had said that had seemed to me as a personal attack at the time actually was not in truth, she had actually not seen the line I had thought she was responding too, and later when she had said she was joking around this further upset me. Combine that with the fact that someone was trying to use empathy on me at the time and I had made a very big mistake of taking a misunderstanding way too far.

Obviously you guys can see what I did about it above, and while at the time I had good reason I still bash myself on the head for not taking all possibilities into account as is my norm in such things. Instead I simply acted, which would have been very foolish of me had this been an actual "case" where I was helping people.

Nay, I do apoligize for the misunderstanding, and a bigger apology for the jibes and attacks I had sent your way. And a huge apology for not giving you the chance to explain yourself at first. However, we seem to have worked this out, and now we can try understanding each other better, for true empathy is understanding and helping, and enlightenmnet is understanding why instead of knowing why.

I believe this started in the arguments in the PSD forums. At that time nobody would listen and empathize with the other side. Arguments flared to the point where people could barely remember what the original discussions were about. It was like a war, and all sides had acted very childish.

This argument between us had gone more personal when LordoftheBunnies had posted the "fictional worlds" thread, me and Nay had started debating with the other, then the pattern of the PSD forums erupted again, and we were blindly arguing with each other again. A final misunderstanding between me and her erupted in me not giving her the chance to explain herself and her not truly knowing why I was mad. I finally PM'ed the reason why I was so mad and we talked this out, and came to an understanding.

I think the lesson here is: do not close your mind to the other person, if you don't understand then tell them so, make them flush out the why's. Keep an open mind and all possibilities in mind.