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That was a really good poem.

I likes.

Your sub message is cool too.
split your awareness between your heart and head.

That's very artistic too, Sarah.
On white horses let me ride away
To my world of dreams so far away

Refreshing!  Very awesome!  

A very clear perspective is expressed in your poem.  Thank you.  Quite heart warming

That's cool.  It has a nice flow to it.  Are you a musician?  I could almost see a song with it.

I conducted another interview, this time with the percussionist of Sound Tribe Sector 9, and I asked what he thought about the idea that music is a universal language, and he said that he absolutely agreed.  

I think that anything that can be understood by people who speak different laguages can be considered universal, in a sense.  Something like a smile can be understood.  Music can be listened to by anyone.  I suppose a universal language takes each individual being able to understand it.  But if it's universal then it is present whether people are capable of paying attention to it or not.

Because tripping is fun and glorious.  Have at ye.  Yes, I know all about bad trips, and how annoying some people get when they're tripping.  I don't trip with those people.  I've been laying off psychedelics because they can be overwhelming.  
It's 420 now, that's funny.  Anyway, I find it quite necessary, indeed even important, to talk about experiences that I have had on psychedelics with others, and to hear their stories.  It helps me.  
And anyway, you are generalizing the "tripper on acid" as someone who is always the same.   And of course it's not going to be pleasant to chill with someone while they are tripping and you are not.  Unless you know how to maintain a totally chill and trip friendly undestanding, things are going to be awkward.  It's the same if you are tripping and around someone who is not.  If you're not comfortable with them at the time they are going to become your problem.

We have not tripped together (not in this life).  When I maintain my inner silence during a good trip I become quite empowered.  I've been known to give amazing speeches about existence and anything spiritual related, and help others understand themselves and the life they are living, as well as play amazing guitar:)   I remember insight would just be pouring in and I'd feel so at one with everything and the spirit.  Nowadays I am living a chill life.  Reading my books, meditating, making music, and working a chill job.  I'm going for simplicity and a good life that I know I can live.

So if you would kindly allow your stance to include conversing with me about my experiences I will share another story with you.

Not too long ago I took a little acid and had a chill night alone.  Other than making some great music, I wrote a great poem.  I also watched some Record of Lodoss War and it really helped me connect with my roots.  The poem I wrote I entitled, "The Path," and it runs as follows:

The Path

When you find other people's minds limiting
It's time to embark on your own
When you find your own mind limiting
It's time for inner silence
To find your own mind
A selfless soul
A real hero

For those who wish to find their true self and mind
I give to you these words
Seach and you will find
Don't look to space and time
look inside the soul
Percieve your essence whole
Never have a doubt
For what you cannot figure out
is often beyond the rational mind

Don't get snared
by the traps of the glare
Seek a peaceful mind
And a simple life
Love with all of your heart
Speak with all of your mind
Create out of everything you are
Live with the strength of a peaceful life

Interesting how different you two became.  You became someone who you are happy with being.  The other out of control.  It seems you have twisted my arm.  This is a real problem.  This whole drug problem.  Concsiousness expansion is one thing, but addiction and a ruined life are another.  I mean, this is big.  This is life.  You can't mess this up.  We make mistakes, and we learn, if we are wise.  But it seems to be the fate of many people, many young as well, to get into drugs and go down hill.  Some recover.  Some don't.  Some die because of it.  Well, the problem is obvious upon reflection.  
What's needed, I think, is a balanced life where you are in control (to the extent that you can be).  I feel like I am always studying, in a sense.  Always learning.  There are times of restoration, but you know what I mean.  It's like a breathing process of my being.  I breathe in everything around me, and I breathe out my experience of it all; and the process continues.  And breathing is healthy.  And in a magnificent way it is all connected with learning and evolving.

Really it all boils down to the individual.  An excess of any substance can prove bad for you.

So yes, I think that as I stated earlier psychedelics should be separated from the normal usage of the term 'drug.'  It is really only in our organized societies that we use psychedelics as party drugs.  As Stookie pointed out earlier, it was normally done under the supervision of the shaman; who knew what he was doing.  To them it was something very serious.  And to me psychedelics have always been a serious matter.  You don't decide to trip at a glance.  You look the matter in the eyes, or you just take it.  Either way you take it when you are ready.  How do you know when you are ready?  Well, when your life is at a point where you are not under stress or other factors that would offset your psychic health.  Your setting and current situation tend to matter greatly when you're tripping.  You might take this for advantage when you are tripping in a good environment with the right situation, but it is true.  Your reality must be able to melt away, as it were, and not come back bothering you during your trip in the form of a crisis or a bitching parent or what have you.  Everything's gotta be all good.  Whether a nature setting or in a dark room, you have to feel comfortable and be able to forget about your self and your body so that you can have a real spiritual experience of this amazing thing happening in your consciousness.  To me inner silence is also a necessity of a good trip.  So really I think I should make the distinction that I think a good trip can be a very spiritual and enlightening event.
 
With that stated, pray let us move back to sharing in speech our psychedelic experiences; which, as we have seen, can, and do hold a lot of knowledge.  I would like to move the conversation deeper into the reality of what the psychedelics have to offer, paying particular attention to experience and knowledge.

It's interesting what you said, Stookie, about time and eternity.  My experience justifies this.  Acid can really help a person take hold of their time, so to speak, and become a very proficient and powerful person, especially in thinking.

Well, I'm tired and am going off to bed.  I'm enjoying this chat.  I only wish others would contribute with their stories and knowledge.  
Good night.

I am reminded of a certain scene in Akira (a movie).  The boy, Testuo, lay in a hospital bed because scientists were doing some crazy experiments on him.  They were injecting him with substances and putting him through machines and such in order to impress upon him a development of a being (Akira) that is ordinarily too powerful to be unveiled in physical reality.  It goes very deep, but there is one scene where he is in a hospital type of room and is suffering from hallucinations and overwhelming states of mind due to the treatment.  None of this, by the way, was his decision.  They basically abducted him.  So he's laying in bed and these little stuffed animals (3, a bunny, a bear, and a car) start crawling on his bed.  He tries to grab them but they disappear and he grabs his blanket instead.  Then everything gets all intense and the animals appear as huge and seem to attack him or something.  Nothing around him is what it seems and it isn't until he steps on a glass a causes his foot to bleed (which freaks out the stuffed animals) that things shift back to normal.

And I agree.  Nothing is needed that isn't already there.  Perhaps some training, ya know.
My spiritual path and activity do not rely on substances.  I must say, though, that I have quite the love of good psychedelics; which is what this stream , or topic, is all about.  
Tell me about your first psychedelic experience.  It was on acid, wasn't it?

This book is very much in with the Christ impulse.

Everything's up to the individual.  I have never felt more intensly self-control, will-power, & concentration than on acid, including astral experiences which go beyond the realm of the speakable.

I agree with Terrence McKenna in that I think psychadelics should be separated from the normal usage of the term "drugs."  Because in the face of the whole drug problem, with lives ruined and million dollar scams, of which gov'ts get involved, etc., next to this psychadelics are just something off in a tiny little corner.  And from there it's only a matter of choice to pay attention to them.  A drug is anything that causes habitual, obsessive, unexamined activity.
"We don't want unexamined habitual forms of activities that are obsessively expressed.  What we do want is conscious, caring, self-examining, inquisitive thinking people." TM

There have always been, and indeed still are, people who, when on psychadelics, act.  They know what to do.  The standard good way for anyone just experiencing this thing is basically to sit down, be silent, and pay attention.  But there are special individuals who are experienced and are a natural, as it seems, and can lead a whole group of people on psychadelics through a most magical journey that is beyond anything that each member of the group could have accomplished on their own.  I suppose in a tribe this person would be the shaman.  

I think that a lot is accomplished for individuals, and indeed the Earth and humanity, when groups of people experience psychadelics together and have an amazing trip.  Especially at large music festivals where large numbers of young people get together in a nature setting and ingest hallucinogens and what have you, and music is played that is meant to be open and a sort of catalyst to the experience. Everyone has deeper experiences of themselves and the Earth, and really the whole feeling seems to extend out into the cosmos.  For everyone is joined together there.  It's much different than a trip where you are sitting alone at home.  You are surrounded by people; and you feel at one with them.  The whole existence of the experience is indeed at one with the astral pulse.

I don't think that ones path should rely soley on hallucinagens, but they can definetley teach you a lot about doing everything on your own.  

Last night I went and saw Sound Tribe Sector 9 play.  They put on a most amazing show.  It was very psychedelic and high energy.  Check them out if you have never heard them.

Well, it's a book for spiritual guidance and development.  I love the authors teachings, and the concentration and meditation exercises in this book work amazingly.  I think anyone interested in thinking and perceiving beyond the physical should give it a read.

The link provided is also a wonderful source for knowledge.  It's an e-lib (electronic library).  So there are more books.  They are all books that you can view and print for free.  

Do you like to read?

A little while ago, I fell asleep and my dream was of astral projection.  I felt myself to be present and began to fly.  I flew for what seemed like a long time.  I would stop on top of buildings because I would get tired, but I would only require a moments rest before  I was ready to fly on.  I flew to what I believed to be The Netherlands.  

I have had many dreams and such where I fly and it is always an action of will.  I will myself to fly.  This was the first time however that I felt the need to rest, which I did at least a few times.

Has anyone seen the movie Waking Life?  It's about astral projection.  It was done by the person who did Dazed and Confused, if I remember correctly.  A friend of mine watched it and had an out of body experience that night.  I watched it and had a lucid dream the same night.

The Walden is a great book.  It's a bit of a challenging read that offers great lessons of simplicity and inner peace.  Any else read it?

A book on spiritual development.  Here is a free e-source.  Enjoy!

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA010/English/GA010_index.html

Terrence McKenna is awesome.  I read True Hallucinations.  That's a great book.

You can trake a break or keep at it.  I've found myself over-whelmed before and I usually take some time to soak in my life in normal reality to get back to a better base to start from.

Be calm.  There is no need to be afraid.  Sometimes you just have to let go; lose yourself to find yourself.

Hello all
I am posting a link to a great free e-book
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Here is a good book

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Here's a good book

Hello Namra,
I highly recommend reading the book How To Know Higher Worlds, by Rudolf Steiner.

Ryu,
there are many paths of learning magic.  Some safer and more effective than others.  A lot of it depends on who you are.  What suits you?  You could learn elemental magic through studying Esoteric science or you could study ninjitsu, or some other martial art like Tai Chi.  There are many options.  I recommend treading the path presented by Anthroposophy.  A perfect place to start for that study is Rudolf Steiner's book, How to Know Higher Worlds (also known as Knowledge of Higher Worlds and Its Attainment).  

Do you know other magic?  Do you have experience?

Have any of you read the Carlos Casteneda books?  They're really good.  They teach a lot about magic.  I recommend reading them all in order.  Sorcerers stories about levitation, and all kinds of other awesome powers.