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Hi skropenfield, that's very, very good information, thanks a lot !!!!!

I'm going to take a closer look at it, it looks really good.

bye. qbeac.

Interesting read of course, but why blue on blue? 

well, the blue color text is text I've got from somewhere (articles, news, papers, etc.), and which I have not written myself.

[OBE RESEARCH.IIPC - JOURNAL OF CONSCIENTIOLOGYQuantitative and Qualitative Analysis of Experimental Research Project into Out-of-Body Experiences. Year 2002]

Welcome back qbeac

Hoooola Kazbadan!!! How are you? It's very good to see you around here. I have been sooooo busy lately. Please, look, don't miss this OBE experiment they are doing in Spain, Portugal and several other countries. Nelson Abreu told me about it, the person who also told me about the Projectarium Project. I believe Nelson is originally from Portugal:

OBE RESEARCH.
IIPC - JOURNAL OF CONSCIENTIOLOGY
Quantitative and Qualitative Analysis of Experimental Research Project into Out-of-Body Experiences. Year 2002
http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030428-IAC-OBE/

Brief excerpt:

ABSTRACT
http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030428-IAC-OBE/abstract.shtml

This work reports some of the significant results obtained from two OBE research experiments using opportunity sampling to generate data. These experiments took place during two workshops conducted in Évora – Alentejo, Portugal, and in Segovia, Spain, respectively. The core focus of this research project is to establish more consistent and systematic informa-tion related to the way in which the consciousness perceives, interprets and recalls the information learned through out-of-body experiences, including processes such as extraphysical percep-tion, cognition, and memory; transference of information to the physical brain; and the interference or influence of individual cultural and personal background in the interpreta-tion of per-ceptions. Suggestive findings and conclusions are discussed.


THE EXPERIMENT
http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030428-IAC-OBE/general-description.shtml

GENERAL DESCRIPTION

The experiments took place during two weekend workshops in which 'students' endeavored to accomplish lucid, willed out-of-body experi-ences. Several countries (Portugal, Spain, Holland, England, Brazil, Scotland, New Zealand, and Switzerland) were represented at those events. The first experiment, realized in Portugal, had 84 participants whilst the second, in Spain, had 21.

Both workshops and the experiment as a whole were sponsored by the International Academy of Conscientiology (IAC), a European conscientiological research center established in Portugal.

The experiments were conducted during practical courses (workshops) open to the public, adding to the extent of the inherent complexity of such a task. Firstly, the experiments did not revolve around the experiences of a single subject capable of producing OBEs at will (i.e., unlike other historical experiments conducted with Alexander Tanous, Keith Harary and Robert Monroe) – in this instance several persons with neither experience of a conscious projection nor any real information related to the subject took part in the research. Most of the participants were simply individuals with an interest in the phenomenon and a desire to learn techniques that might enable them to produce an OBE.

Secondly, because the experiment was not conducted in a laboratory, less control over the physical environment was available and as a result, some conditions were less than ideal and did not allow for the desired level of physical comfort of participants, so helpful in facilitating disconnection from the body – participants used mats placed on the floor, unexpected noises in the surrounding areas of the hotel periodically interrupted proceedings, and some participants were untiring snorers.

Thirdly, the main activity facilitating the experiment itself was the execution and management of the workshop and thus much of the attention of key personnel was dedicated to giving instructions to the students and commenting on their experiences.

The bold circumstances under which the experiments were performed ratified that the experience can be learned by individuals with an interest in the subject and that producing a conscious projection involves (plagiarizing Edson) 1% predisposition and 99% determination. A total of 37.5% of those who had never before experienced an OBE claimed to have had an OBE during these workshops. These individuals account for 11.43% of the total number of participants.

At the beginning of the event, instructions regarding techniques to leave the body and the specific conditions of the workshop were given. Participants were provided with a description of the technicalities of the research and were invited to take part – each was free to participate in the experiment or to join only in the 'training' part of the event. Each individual's agreement to participate and permission to use data collected from their experiences were provided in writing to the researchers. Participants were also shown the room in which the target image would be displayed on the screen of a computer.

The experiment was designed in accordance with rigorous scien-tific principles and conducted under the most controlled conditions possible, given that total closure is never possible when dealing with human subjects and complex phenomena.

To warrant the 'rigor' of each step of the experiment and to account for reliability, an external inspector with no association with the IAC, IIPC or any of its affiliated organizations participated in the experiment as an auditor. In both experiments the role of 'auditor' was filled by professional journalists each agreeing to follow the research throughout the weekend. Contact was established with the auditors in advance of each experiment, in order to make them aware of previous research on the theme and to prepare them for the practicalities of the experiments in which they would take part. Their understanding of the research design was appreciable and demonstrated by their performance, remaining committed throughout all sessions.

The auditor monitoring the experiment conducted in Portugal was Ms. Carla Pereira, a reporter of EuroNews, a newspaper based in Portugal and distributed in Europe. During the experiment in Spain, the auditor was Mr. Josep Guijarro, a reporter and correspondent of the Más Allá de la Ciencia magazine.......etc., etc... [it is a fairly long article]

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Chao. qbeac.

P.S. Kazbadan, we have been discussing all these things in two Spanish Science forums, you'll see them here... this debate has kept on going for around two years by now. So many things have been said!... and so many more are still to be said :

- Foro Astroseti. Pag. 17. Hilo: "La mente y la cuántica":
http://foros.astroseti.org/viewtopic.php?t=1982&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=240

- Foro 100cia.com. Hilo: "¿Separación mente cerebro? ECM II":
http://www.100cia.com/opinion/foros/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=7825

Kazbadan, I also recomend to you in this same forum, this thread, which is a VERY interesting article from the USA Military about all sort of anomalous phenomenon:

- USA Military paper about "Psi phenomenon"... Paradigm Shift?
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=24979.0

[- "Projectarium Project", to do OBE experiments:]

Hi everybody, maybe some of you already know about the Projectarium Project, but perhaps some other ones don't.

This Projectarium Project is designed to test and to do experiments about OBEs.

This is the info:

- "Projectarium Project", to do OBE experiments:
In English: http://www.iacworld.org/English/Sciences/Research/Projectarium.asp

Brief excerpt:

Projectarium Project

Few examples of psychic phenomena have raised more debate concerning the characteristics of human consciousness and the nature of the relationship between mind and body than the Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and the Near-Death Experience (NDE).

The study of the consequences that such phenomena appear to provoke in the individual who experiences them has merited the attention of scientists from all over the world. The vast majority of researchers agree that the Near-Death Experience and the Out-of-Body Experience typically result (almost in the totality of cases) in a positive change in life values, in an improvement in social and interpersonal relations, and in greater value and respect for others (see details in the "Conceptual and Empirical Foundations" in the complete project).

Through theoretical analysis and empirical observation, it can be inferred that the Near-Death Experience (NDE) phenomenon is, technically speaking, an Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) induced by various external factors. In this case, these are factors that compromise the health and continuity of the individual's life. In practical terms, many of the existing occurrences of these phenomena, as well as their benefits, are analogous. In this sense, scientific investigation into one of these phenomena promotes the understanding of the other.

Even though the OBE mainly occurs spontaneously, it can also be willfully induced. The NDE, on the other hand, occurs in extreme situations that are independent of the individual's will. Therefore, the Out-of-Body Experience is the ideal phenomena in which to realize experiments that try to understand and explain these phenomena. Presently, these phenomena lack consistent empirical experimentation that facilitates a more detailed comprehension of them and of the effects they produce.

In order to fill this scientific gap, IAC has developed experimental research and public survey projects concerning the OBE, which have yielded significant results.

In light of the vast existing theoretical foundations that have been laid by professionals from different areas of expertise (see "Conceptual Foundations" in the complete project) concerning the interaction and influence that the environment has on the human being, an essential question can be formulated: can an environment with technically optimized conditions facilitate the production of psychic experiences and produce consistent benefits for the individual?

Starting from the hypothesis that an environment with optimized conditions for the induction of psychic experiences facilitates the development of these experiences and that these lead to an improvement in the individual's balance and quality of life, this project proposes the construction of a prototype of such a laboratory, called Projectarium (term proposed by Vieira, 2002). In this fashion, through an innovative experimental design, we can reach conclusions that validate or refute this hypothesis.

Through the construction of this laboratory, it is intended: (1) to test if an optimized physical environment produces psychic experiences, (2) to verify the character of the results obtained and (3) discover the effective level of benefits obtained by the individuals that register these experiences.

From a psychological and clinical point of view, it is important to better understand the mechanisms and benefits that, according to studies, can be obtained through psychic phenomena, such as the out-of-body experience.........etc.

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Additional info:

- Nelson Abreu, Electrical Engineering student from Florida who has founded a University Student Club to study human consciousness. They do OBE experiments.
The First Student Club of Conscientiology
http://iacworld.org/Spanish/Publications/Journal/Archives/Vol05/JCN20.asp
New in the Herald Goa (India): http://oheraldo.in/node/14303
Web site, THE SCIENCE OF SELF CLUB: http://cref.tripod.com/
New about Nelson in "The Pennsylvania State University":
http://www.pennstateprs.com/univcon/schedule_speakerinfo.shtml

Chao. qbeac.

[- Congress: "Toward a Science of Consciousness 2006." University of Arizona. USA. April 4-8, 2006, Tucson Convention Center, Tucson, Arizona]

thanks for that

You are welcome, Sunn link, let me give you some more interesting info:

Dean Radin, the author of the book "The Conscious Universe", has recently participated in the following Congress:

- Congress: "Toward a Science of Consciousness 2006."
University of Arizona. USA. April 4-8, 2006, Tucson Convention Center, Tucson, Arizona
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm

This was Radin's talk:

Entangled Minds. By Dean Radin
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/dean.htm

Everyday experience of the world presents us with an array of independent objects, separated in space and time. From this common sense perspective we develop mechanistic models of the world that involve concepts like causality, force, and a stable reality that persists whether or not we are looking at it. This worldview, which might be called "classical reality," is learned early in life, it's reinforced by Western education and society, and it's taken for granted by most adults as self-evident unless something powerfully unusual comes along to challenge it. One such challenge has been the development of quantum mechanics, which has seriously questioned all of the basic assumptions underlying classical reality. Another challenge is the commonly reported and scientifically controversial realm of human experience known as psychic phenomena.

This workshop considers the possibility that psychic phenomena are the human experiences of quantum reality. To examine this proposal beyond superficial similarities, Part 1 of the discussion will focus on whether there are any scientifically justifiable reasons to believe that psychic phenomena exist, Part 2 will consider the ontological differences between classical and quantum realities, and Part 3 will explore how elementary quantum effects might scale up to include human experience.

Dean Radin is Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) in Petaluma, California. He also serves as adjunct faculty at Sonoma State University and as a member of the Distinguished Consulting Faculty at Saybrook Graduate School.

Dr. Radin earned advanced degrees in electrical engineering from the University of Massachusetts, and electrical engineering and psychology from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana. Before joining the IONS research staff, he worked at AT&T Bell Laboratories, GTE Laboratories, Princeton University, University of Edinburgh, University of Nevada, and three Silicon Valley research labs. Author of nearly 200 popular and technical articles, Radin is also author of The Conscious Universe (1997, HarperCollins) and Entangled Minds (2006, Simon & Schuster).

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These are other talks from the same Congress:

- List of talks from that Congress:
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/concurrents.htm

- Talk about: "Intracellular and Quantum Aspects of Consciousness"
Paavo Pylkkanen, Nancy J. Woolf, Jack Tuszynski, Stuart Hameroff
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/qm.htm

- Other webs about Stuart Hameroff:
http://www.lifescientists.de/publication/pub2003-04-11.htm
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/springer.htm

Chao. qbeac.

["Teleportation Physics Study."]

Hi everybody,

The USA Military has recently (year 2004) approved for public release and distribution a very interesting and controversial research document titled "Teleportation Physics Study."

In this document they talk about things such as "Psi phenomenon" of different types, teleportation, remote viewing, astral projection, military intelligence, espionage (USA-URSS), high level concepts in modern physics such as parallel universes, wormholes, paradigm shifts, etc., and many other things.

Do you think the content of this document could imply a paradigm shift could happen in the near future?

Bellow you'll see a brief excerpt from this document (Note: the complete document is 78 pages long. This excerpt is about 8 pages long). But firstly, let's see where this document has been published, because it has been published in the FAS web site (Federation of American Scientists), which is a federeation endorsed by 67 Nobel Laureates.

So, let's see first what the FAS is:

- "About FAS", according to the FAS web site:
http://www.fas.org/static/about.jsp

The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) was formed in 1945 by atomic scientists from the Manhattan Project who felt that scientists, engineers and other innovators had an ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on critical national decisions, especially pertaining to the technology they unleashed - the Atomic Bomb.

Endorsed by 67 Nobel Laureates[/color] in chemistry, economics, medicine and physics, FAS addresses a broad spectrum of issues in carrying out its mission to promote humanitarian uses of science and technology. FAS members build on an honorable history of insisting that rational, evidence-based arguments be heard.

Some brief information about the Manhattan Project:

- Manhattan Project (wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

The Manhattan Project refers to the effort to develop the first nuclear weapons during World War II by the United States with assistance from the United Kingdom and Canada. Formally designated as the Manhattan Engineering District (MED), it refers specifically to the period of the project from 1942-1946 under the control of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, under the administration of General Leslie R. Groves, with its scientific research directed by the American physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer.

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This is a brief excerpt of the USA Military paper about Teleportation (only several pieces of it). It is recommended to read the complete original document, which is full of mathematical equations, formulas, diagrams, and so on:

- Teleportation Physics Study (telekinesis)
AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY.
AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND.
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048.
APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED.
Eric W. Davis. Warp Drive Metrics. 4849 San Rafael Ave. Las Vegas, NV 89120 August 2004. Special Report
URL: http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

14. ABSTRACT

This study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects. This included a review and documentation of quantum teleportation, its theoretical basis, technological development, and its potential applications. The characteristics of teleportation were defined and physical theories were evaluated in terms of their ability to completely describe the phenomena. Contemporary physics, as well as theories that presently challenge the current physics paradigm were investigated.

The author identified and proposed two unique physics models for teleportation that are based on the manipulation of either the general relativistic spacetime metric or the spacetime vacuum electromagnetic (zero-point fluctuations) parameters. Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. The author proposes an additional model for teleportation that is based on a combination of the experimental results from the previous government studies and advanced physics concepts. Numerous recommendations outlining proposals for further theoretical and experimental studies are given in the report. The report also includes an extensive teleportation bibliography.

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FOREWORD

This Special Technical Report presents the results of a subcontracted study performed by Warp Drive Metrics, Las Vegas, NV, under Contract No. F04611-99-C-0025, for the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL)/Space and Missile Propulsion Division, Propellant Branch (PRSP), Edwards AFB, CA. The Project

Manager for AFRL/PRSP was Dr. Franklin B. Mead, Jr. This report has been reviewed and is approved for release and distribution in accordance with the distribution statement on the cover and on the SF Form 298. This report is published in the interest of scientific and technical information exchange and does not constitute approval or disapproval of its ideas or findings.

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4.0 e-TELEPORTATION

4.1 Extra Space Dimensions and Parallel Universes/Spaces

A literature search for proposed e-Teleportation concepts based on the conveyance of objects through extra space dimensions and/or parallel universes/spaces has yielded only one result (see Section 4.2). The present state-of-art in research on parallel universes/spaces and extra space dimensions has been strictly limited to the work on developing a grand unified quantum field theory and a quantum theory of gravity, whereby the former necessarily includes the latter. Quantum gravity/unified field theory research has been evolving since the 1920s when Kaluza and Klein published the first papers to describe a model for the unification of gravity with electrodynamics. Many of the more prominent theories today invoke extra spatial dimensions, the existence of parallel universes/spaces, or both in order to quantise gravity and/or to unify gravity with the other forces of nature.

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4.2 Vacuum Hole Teleportation

An unusual teleportation concept has been proposed by Leshan (1999, 2002), which describes the teleportation of objects throughout our universe by using the geometrical properties of spacetime. The proposal posits that there is a "zero-space" that exists outside the boundary of our universe, whereby this zero-space is a "point form" space, where the distance between any two points is always equal to zero. Leshan also calls this space a "hole." Further requirements and assumptions of the model are:

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4.3 Conclusion and Recommendations

At present, none of the theoretical concepts explored in this chapter have been brought to a level of technical maturity, where it becomes meaningful to ascertain whether any form of e-Teleportation is theoretically possible between extra space dimensions and different or parallel universes/spaces. However, there is the exception that traversable wormholes (three- and higher-dimensional) provide a solid physics principle for the implementation of teleportation between parallel universes/spaces.

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5.1 PK Phenomenon

P-Teleportation is a form of psychokinesis (or PK) similar to telekinesis but generally used to designate the movement of objects (called apports) through other physical objects or over great distances. Telekinesis is a form of PK, which describes the movement of stationary objects without the use of any known physical force. And PK is essentially the direct influence of mind on matter without any known intermediate physical energy or instrumentation. Rigorously controlled modern scientific laboratory PK, and related psychic (a.k.a. "psi", "paranormal" or parapsychology), research has been performed and/or documented by Rhine (1970), Schmidt (1974), Mitchell (1974a, b, see also the references cited therein), Swann (1974), Puthoff and Targ (1974, 1975), Hasted et al. (1975), Targ and Puthoff (1977), Nash (1978, see also the references cited therein), Shigemi et al. (1978), Hasted (1979), Houck (1984a), Wolman et al. (1986, see also the references cited therein), Schmidt (1987), Alexander et al. (1990), Giroldini (1991), Gissurarson (1992), Radin (1997, see also the references cited therein), Tart et al. (2002), Shoup (2002), and Alexander (2003).

A well-known theoretical/experimental/operational program directed by H. E. Puthoff, R. Targ, E. May and I. Swann was conducted at SRI International and the NSA, and sponsored at various times by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) over more than two decades;

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The reader should note that the very first U. S. military-intelligence R&D programs on psi, PK and mind control were conducted by H. K. (Andrija) Puharich, M.D., L.L.D during his military service at the Army Chemical and Biological Warfare Center at Fort Detrick, Maryland in the 1940s-50s.

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A more spectacular series of rigorously controlled (and repeatable!) laboratory experiments occurred in the Peoples Republic of China (PRC). In September 1981, an extraordinary paper was published in the PRC in the journal Ziran Zazhi (transl.: Nature Journal), and this paper was entitled, "Some Experiments on the Transfer of Objects Performed by Unusual Abilities of the Human Body" (Shuhuang et al., 1981). The paper reported that gifted children were able to cause the apparent teleportation of small objects (radio micro-transmitters, photosensitive paper, mechanical watches, horseflies, other insects, etc.) from one location to another (that was meters away) without them ever touching the objects beforehand.

The experiments were operated under exceptionally wellcontrolled conditions (both blind and double-blind). The researchers involved included not only observers from various PRC colleges and medical research institutes, but also representatives from the PRC National Defense Science Commission. Because of the involvement of the latter, it was deemed necessary that an unclassified Intelligence Information Report be prepared by the DIA (see Shuhuang et al., 1981), which included a detailed English translation of the article.

Additional research carried out by the Aerospace Medicine Engineering Institute in Beijing was reported in the July 1990 issue of the Chinese Journal of Somatic Science (Kongzhi et al., 1990; Jinggen et al., 1990; Banghui, 1990), which was also translated into English by the DIA.

Reported in several articles are experiments involving the videotaping and high-speed photography of the transfer of test specimens (nuts, bundles of matches, pills, nails, thread, photosensitive paper, chemically treated paper, sponges dipped in FeCl3, etc.) through the walls of sealed paper envelopes, double layered KCNS type paper bags, sealed glass bottles and tubes with sealed caps, and sealed plastic film canisters without the walls of any of these containers being breached.

All of the Chinese experiments reported using gifted children and young adults, who possessed well-known extraordinary PK ability, to cause the teleportation of the various test specimens. In all the experimental cases that were reported, the test specimens that were teleported were completely unaltered or unchanged from their initial state, even the insects were unaffected by being teleported. The experiments were well controlled, scientifically recorded, and the experimental results were always repeatable.

The Chinese papers are all extremely interesting and very well written, and they show photographs and schematic diagrams of the various experimental setups. The experimental protocols were explained in lengthy detail, and thorough data and statistical analysis were presented in the results. The combined results from the several Chinese experiments showed that:

1.- Different research groups designed different experimental protocols, used different gifted psychics, used different sealed containers, and used different test specimens (live insects, bulk
inanimate objects, and even radio micro-transmitters were used to track the location of the specimens) that were to be teleported;

2.- The time required for the teleportation of test specimens through various barriers was anywhere from a fraction of a second to several minutes, and this was not dependent on the test specimen that was used, the sealed container that was used (or its barrier thickness), which experimental protocol was used, or which psychic was being used

3.- The high-speed photography/videotaping recorded in one series of experiments that test specimens would physically "meld" or blend with the walls of sealed containers; and recorded in a different series of experiments that test specimens would simply disappear from inside the container only to reappear at another location (after seconds to several minutes of time transpired), such that the test specimen did not actually undergo total material disintegration/reintegration during teleportation – this data is important, because without the aid of electronic monitoring instruments, the average person's sensory organs and usual methods of detection are temporarily unable to perceive the test specimen's (ambiguous) existence during the teleportation process;

4.- The radio micro-transmitter used as a test specimen in one series of experiments (Shuhuang et al., 1981) transmitted a radio signal to several stationary electronic instruments/receivers, so that the specimen could be tracked and monitored (via signal amplitude and frequency measurements) during the teleportation process; the experimenters discovered that there was large fluctuations in the intensity (in both amplitude and frequency) of the monitored signal to the effect that it would either completely disappear or become extremely weak (to the extent that the monitoring instruments could scarcely detect it) – it was discovered that there was a definite correlation between the change in strength (i.e., radical frequency shifts were observed) of the monitored radio signal and the teleportation of the test specimen, such that the weak or absent signal indicated that the specimen was "nonexistent" (or in an altered physical state) during teleportation (note: the monitored signal amplitude and frequency of the micro-transmitter specimen were stable before and after teleportation);

5.- Before and after "passing through the container wall/barrier", the test specimen and the container's wall/barrier are both complete solid objects;

6.- The gifted psychics were never allowed to see (they were blindfolded in many experiments) or touch each of the test specimens or the sealed containers before and after experiments were conducted, and only the experimenters touched the specimens and containers (using both blind and double-blind protocols);

7.- The experimental results were all repeatable

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The Soviet information also mentions the psychotronic/parapsychology R&D materials that Soviet military forces took from various Nazi research centers in and around Germany at the end of WWII. The entire spectrum of parapsychology phenomena was explored by the Soviets, which resulted in the generation of a wealth of experimental data and related scientific research literature.

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The U.S. military-intelligence establishment was concerned with the possibility that the Soviets and their Warsaw Pact allies were conducting psychotronics and mind control R&D in order to discover how to exploit and control powerful phenomena that could be used against the U.S. and its allies.

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Also, LaMothe (1972) describes the revolutionary techniques the Soviets studied to influence human behavior, which included: sound, light, color, odors, sensory deprivation, sleep, electromagnetic fields, biochemicals, autosuggestion, hypnosis, and parapsychology phenomena (such as psychokinesis, telekinesis, extrasensory perception-ESP, astral projection, clairvoyance, precognition, and dream state, etc.). The LaMothe (1972) report became an aid in the development of countermeasures for the protection of U.S. and/or allied personnel.

Psychotronics is the general term that was used in the former Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact countries to categorize many psychic phenomena undergoing scientific research. The conclusions that were reached in the DIA reports are that within the category of psychotronics, the Soviets identified two discrete skills (LaMothe, 1972):

* Bioenergetics: those phenomena associated with the production of objectively detectable effects such as psychokinesis, telekinesis, levitation effects, transformations of energy, i.e. the altering or affecting of matter

* Bioinformation: those phenomena associated with the obtaining of information through means other than the normal sensory channels (i.e., ESP), such as telepathy, precognition, and clairvoyance, i.e., using the mind to tap into the thoughts of others or to acquire present or future information about objective events in the world

These phenomena involve using the mind and/or some "field" of the body to affect other minds and inanimate objects irrespective of intervening distance or elapsed time, and without engaging any conventional tools. Bioenergetics and bioinformation are two classifications that form a single branch of science the Soviets preferred to call biocommunications. Soviet biocommunications research is primarily concerned with exploring the existence of a definite group of natural phenomena controlled by laws that are not based on any known (energetic) influence. The types of biocommunication (a.k.a. psychotronics) phenomena includes special sensory biophysical activities, brain and mind control, telepathic communications or bioinformation transceiving, bioluminescent and bioenergetic emissions, and the effects of altered states of consciousness on the human psyche. Psychotronics and remote viewing provide capabilities that have obvious intelligence applications. The Soviets and their Warsaw Pact allies invested millions of dollars in psychotronics R&D because they understood this, and saw the potential payoff for military and intelligence applications.

The U.S. response to Soviet psychotronics R&D programs was the Remote Viewing program. In addition, the U.S. Army began the JEDI Project in 1983, which sought to increase human potential using teachable models of behavioral/physical excellent by unconventional means (Alexander et al., 1990).

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There is a wealth of factual scientific research data from around the world attesting to the physical reality of p-Teleportation and related anomalous psi phenomena (Mitchell, 1974b; Targ and Puthoff, 1977; Nash, 1978; Radin, 1997; Tart et al., 2002).

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5.1.1 Hypothesis Based on Mathematical Geometry

In the following I propose a parsimonious first-order hypothesis that can explain the gross features of both the Chinese p-Teleportation data and the other reported p-Teleportation phenomena. But I will refrain from including any role that might be played by quantum phenomena since the scientific community has not yet settled that particular issue. (However, it is apparent that quantum theory and quantum phenomena will likely play a key role in a formal physics theory of PK and psychotronics.)

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5.2 Conclusion and Recommendations

We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental data, in order to test the hypothesis in Section 5.1.1 and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind the psychotronic manipulation of matter. P-Teleportation, if verified, would represent a phenomenon that could offer potential high-payoff military, intelligence and commercial applications. This phenomenon could generate a dramatic revolution in technology, which would result from a dramatic paradigm shift in science. Anomalies are the key to all paradigm shifts!

- Recommendations:

There are numerous supporters within the U.S. military establishment who comprehend the significance of remote viewing and PK phenomenon, and believe that they could have strategic implications. Bremseth (2001), a U.S. Navy SEAL, attended the Marine War College and studied the Remote Viewing program, and interviewed many of the former program participants. Bremseth then wrote his thesis on the topic, and concluded that the evidence supported continued research and applications of remote viewing. A research program improving on and expanding, or implementing novel variations of, the Chinese and Uri Geller-type experiments should be conducted in order to generate p-Teleportation phenomenon in the lab. The performances and characteristics of p-Teleportation need to be delineated in order todevelop a refined hypothesis. Such a program should be designed so that an operational model for p-Teleportation can be developed and implemented as a prototype. An experimental program similar in fashion to the Remote Viewing program should be funded at $900,000 – 1,000,000 per year in parallel with a theoretical program funded at $500,000 per year for an initial five-year duration. The role of quantum physics theory and related quantum phenomena (i.e., entanglement and teleportation) in p-Teleportation and psychotronics should be explored in this program (see for example, the Biological Quantum Teleportation recommendation in Section 3.3). An experiment definition study should be conducted first to identify and propose the best experiments for this program, which should be funded at $80,000 for one year.

[- Big compilation of information about the Afterlife, NDE, OBE, the paranormal and related issues]

Hi everybody,

Please, in case you happen to know anybody around the world (individual scientists, universities, institutions, etc.) who are studying the subjects the lawyer Victor Zammit has been investigating (Ex: the Afterlife, the paranormal, OBE, etc.), share it with us. Together we could help to make a very big "Bookmark" or "My Favorits" about these subjects.

Besides Victor Zammit's web site or this one (Astralpulse), these are a few other links I know:

- Big compilation of information about the Afterlife, NDE, OBE, the paranormal and related issues (both in English and Spanish):
http://www.nderf.org/forum/messages/731/1969.html?1141145863

- Evelyn Elsaesser-Valarino. NDE researcher from Switzerland. She gives conferences about NDEs/OBEs and collaborates with IANDS. She also investigates Hypnotic Regression.
http://www.elsaesser-valarino.com/en/contact.html

- MERKAWAH, IANDS delegation in Holand, founded by Dr. Pim van Lommel
http://www.merkawah.nl/
Other IANDS groups around the world can be found at the IANDS web site:
www.iands.org

- "Athanasia Foundation", Holland, and Titus Rivas NDE research. He collaborates with the Merkawah Foundation in Holland. This is an interesting link of him:
- HOME (Athanasia Foundation): http://www.geocities.com/athanasiafoundation/englishgeneral.html
- Papers by Titus Rivas and others. This is a very interesting compilation of research papers about NDE, OBE, etc.: http://www.geocities.com/athanasiafoundation/papers.html
Rudolf H. Smit, from Merkawah. Hoofdredacteur TERUGKEER. Stichting Merkawah
http://www.merkawah.nl/terugkeer/inhoud.html
http://www.merkawah.nl/terugkeer/redactie.html

Chao. qbeac.

[Victor Zammit: A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife. Irrefutable Objective Evidence]

Hi everybody, this is a highly interesting information:

Victor Zammit: A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife. Irrefutable Objective Evidence

http://www.victorzammit.com/index.html

Book in English: http://www.victorzammit.com/book/index.html
Book in Spanish: http://www.victorzammit.com/book/spanish/index.html

Zammit's language menu: http://www.victorzammit.com/book/index.html

Chao, qbeac.

P.S. This is a brief excerpt of his book:

1. Opening statement

"Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider."
Sir Francis Bacon

There is undeniable scientific evidence to-day for the afterlife. I am an open-minded skeptic lawyer, a former practicing attorney-at-law formally qualified in a number of university disciplines.

The argument that follows is not just an abstract, theoretical, academic legal argument. As an open-minded investigator, I set out to investigate the existing evidence for survival and with others to create conditions to test for ourselves claims that communication with intelligences from the afterlife is possible.

After many years of serious investigation I have come to the irretrievable conclusion that there is a great body of evidence which taken as a whole absolutely and unqualifiedly proves the case for the afterlife. I will not be arguing that the objective evidence has just very high value. Nor am I suggesting that this evidence be accepted beyond reasonable doubt. I am stating that the evidence taken as a whole constitutes overwhelming and irrefutable proof for the existence of the afterlife.

There have been millions of pages written about psychic phenomena and scientific research into the afterlife. Using my professional background as an attorney and my university training in psychology, history and scientific method, I have very carefully selected aspects of psychic research and afterlife knowledge and have argued the case in a way that would technically constitute objective evidence in the Supreme Court of the United States, the House of Lords in England, the High Court of Australia and in every civilized legal jurisdiction around the world.

When the objective evidence ¾ the electronic voice phenomena, instrumental transcommunication, psychic laboratory experiments, out of body experiences, near death experiences, xenoglossy, the best mediums, direct voice mediumship, the cross correspondences, the Scole experiments, proxy sittings, poltergeists, apparitions and all of the other evidence contained in this work is seen collectively ¾ the case for survival is absolutely stunning and irrefutable.

The evidence presented in this work also proves the existence of so-called 'psychic phenomena', which are interconnected with the afterlife and can only be explained satisfactorily by survival.

In absolute terms the evidence presented in this work will convince the rational and intelligent open-minded skeptic or the genuine searcher about the existence of the afterlife.

Why don't more people know about the scientific evidence?

For many years there has been hostility to psychic science in the mainstream media and in universities and in some of the churches. The discoveries of serious scientists working to prove the afterlife have been misreported, distorted and ignored. High profile closed-minded skeptics have been given unfair license by the media to ridicule, cheat and lie with the result that the general public know very little about the great body of scientific research which has been accumulated.

Many people who are genuinely seeking and are anxious to explore this fascinating area have not been able to access unbiased factual information because they may not have the skills or the time to read and analyze the huge number of fairly esoteric books and articles available on this subject (see Bibliography). In some societies these books are simply not available because of formal and informal censorship.

[lower percentage]

I can totally understand where you are coming from when you say this. But I have to say, for me personally, I would like 100% accuracy. Not necessarily to prove anything to the world. But so that I can say without question that I am absolutely clear in what I'm seeing and what I'm experiencing. Am I seeing the "real" physical world or not?

Hi Nostic, I can totally understand that you prefer 100% accuracy for yourself, but believe me, in order to obtain "solid scientific proof", 100% accuracy is not necessary (a much lower percentage would be sufficient), because so far we are only looking for an "anomaly" that should not be present according to current scientific knowledge, and if we could find it, that would be a VERY BIG DEAL!!! This anomaly could be found by simply comparing the results between the "group of projectors" and the "control group", providing there are indeed statistical significant differences between the results of both groups. We have discussed this issue in detail in Post #8, pag. 8:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=180207#180207

Please, let me summarize the reasons why it is important to do scientific experiments. This is why:

- The Scientific community only accepts the results of experiments which have been published in prestigious Scientific Journals (Ex: Nature, Science, The Lancet, etc.). For them, anything which does not appear in a those types of Journals, simply does not exist, period! For instance, all your testimonies and experiences in this forum, however convincing (and even if they appeared in other types of "non scientific" magazines or books), do not exist for the Scientific Community.

- In order for an experiment to appear in a prestigious Scientific Journal, it should comply to several important requirements:
1) It should be performed according to the Scientific Method.
2) It should pass the process of "Peer Review" (several independent scientist should check it out to make sure there are not mistakes, etc.).
3) Once the previous requirements are met, it should finally be published in the Scientific Journal.

This is one example of an experiment about NDE which finally made it:

- Dr. Pim van Lommel NDE study published in The Lancet in 2001:
http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivio/TheLancet_NDE.htm
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/whoswho/vanLommel.htm
- Interview with Dr. Pim van Lommel about his NDE study. ODE magazine (Life goes on), issue 29, November 2005:
http://www.odemagazine.com/article.php?aID=4207

- The end result of being able to publish OBE experiments in one of those Scientific Journals is that the credibility of OBE will increase A LOT!!! Therefore, many people that today still cannot smell the roses, will be able to smell the roses! And this was an analogy used by BillionNamesofGod in Post #1 to #3, at link:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=70

You'll find further details about 1) the importance of obtaining scientific proof and 2) the reason why these experiences still do not have scientific credibility nowadays, at links:

- Post #2. Some good reasons to try to obtain scientific proof of OBE
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20907
 
- Post #4, #5, #6. Reasons for today's lack of credibility of OBEs (Thread: Whats Your Proof?):
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=70

Certainly it would be possible. I don't believe in impossible. But this kind of thing has been tried before here on these boards. And all I can say is that we've got a lot of work to do.

Ok, please, why don't you people give it a try and see what happens? If any of you can perform "Group OBEs" and exchange verifiable information between each other (Ex: even flexible information, a general conversation, an idea, etc.), we would be glad to talk with you about it.

Thanks. qbeac.

[Group OBE.]

There has always been a lot of talk in regards to objectively proving the validity of astral projection. And even those individuals with years of experience seem to be inept when it comes down to verifiable proof....(...)

Hi Nostic, thanks for your comments, but what do you think about the following things:

- In Post #10, pag. 2 of this same thread, Gav thinks "reading the words is extremely hard but it is not impossible":
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21581&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=10
Gav's Word document about the RTZ (a must read!):
http://www.future-horizons.co.uk/doc/A_Short_Discourse_On_OBE_Perception.doc

- Jerry Gross, a very experienced projector, has been able to do really amazing things, such as this one (http://www.near-death.com/gross.html):
Jerry says, quote: "I've been asked to prove this many times, in radio shows, and at the Whole Life Expo at the Los Angeles Convention Center where I traveled astrally from St. Paul, Minnesota to Los Angeles and moved a box they had set up on the stage for me."

- We believe there must be some type of connection between the astral and the physical plane because of what happens during a "Veridical NDE":
http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/case_types.cfm#OOB
Definition of Veridical NDE: **experiencer acquires verifiable information that they could not have obtained by any normal means"

- The following is one example of a "Veridical NDE" included in The Lancet study by Dr. Pim van Lommel (2001). So, the case of "the patient who lost his dentures while being resuscitated after a cardiac arrest" seems to imply there must be a connection between the astral and the physical plane. You'll be able to see it here (inside this article, look for the word "dentures"):
http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivio/TheLancet_NDE.htm

- Besides reading the words, there are other types of methods which could also provide scientific proof, for instance, see Post #3, pag. 1 of this same thread: "2) Group OBE. Trying to communicate with another person who is also in the astral plane with you... and exchange different types of "verifiable information" between the two of you (Note: this "verifiable information" could be more flexible than just two plain words)."

Please, Nostic, do you think this last method (Group OBE) would be possible to do?

Thanks. qbeac.

[statistical significant differences]

Hi Nostic, you say:

"This makes verifying things in our physical world impossible (at least with 100% accuracy)."

Well, we are not looking nor we need 100% accuracy. On the contrary, a much lower accuracy would be more than enough to show there is indeed an anomaly which does not have an explanation according to current scientific knowledge, because we are going to compare the results of "the group of projectors" with the "control group"... that is, we are only looking for statistical significant differences between the two groups.

We have explained that with much more detail in this post:

- Post #8, pag. 8. Detailed explanation of the Agnostic Method in english:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=180207#180207

[- The Structure of the Multiverse:]

Hi Tombo and everyone else:

Tombo, I think you'll like this (perhaps you already know about it?):

- The Structure of the Multiverse:
NASA (APOD): http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060301.html
Multiverse (wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

- Quantum Physics, abstract. quant-ph/0104033
From: David Deutsch [view email]. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:47:57 GMT   (421kb)
The Structure of the Multiverse
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0104033
Pdf format: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0104033
http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0104/0104033.pdf

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Question to everybody:

Perhaps in an OBE a person is able to get into some of the others universes?

In case anybody is interested in trying "Group OBE" experiments to meet other people in the astral plane and exchange verifiable information among each other, please, contact us. We are interested in performing those types of experiments. Thanks.

Take care. qbeac.

[- Conference: "Toward a Science of Consciousness 2006." Universidad de Arizona. USA. April 4-8, 2006, Tucson Convention Center, Tucson, Arizona]

Hi everybody, a Conference about human consciousness is going to be held next April-06 in Tucson, Arizona. I have been checking out the program of the conference and it sounds very interesting. Here it is:

- Conference: "Toward a Science of Consciousness 2006."
Universidad de Arizona. USA. April 4-8, 2006, Tucson Convention Center, Tucson, Arizona
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm
- List of participants in the Conference:
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/concurrents.htm
- Intracellular and Quantum Aspects of Consciousness (VERY INTERESTING)
Paavo Pylkkanen, Nancy J. Woolf, Jack Tuszynski, Stuart Hameroff
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/qm.htm

Additionally, I don't know if you already know about Penrose-Hameroff model of consciousness, which is based on the possible relation between the brain and Quantum Mechanics. Here it is:

- Penrose-Hameroff model of consciousness. "Orch OR" Model for Consciousness".
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchOR.html
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orch-OR

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One more thing to everyone in general:

In case any of you has ever tried "Group OBEs", that is, having a meeting with other people in the astral plane, please, let us know. Thanks a lot (Note: for more information about Group OBE experiments, see Post #3 of this same thread).

Chao. qbeac.

[scientific paradigm shift]

Hi everybody,

The debate we are having in the Spanish science forum 100cia.com about OBE and AP is raising controversy. We are talking about the possibility of a scientific paradigm shift in case OBE were to be proven to be real experiences as opposed to imaginary ones. Right now many scientists from the scientific community believe they are only imaginary experiences.

So, I would like to ask all of you two very important questions regarding this topic:

1) Please, has any of you ever tried doing a GROUP OBE? That is, have you ever been able to meet with somebody else in the astral plane?

2) In case you have, what kind of information do you think you could exchange with another person in those circumstances?

For instance, could you tell that person a single "specific word" which that person could remember and report about it later? Or perhaps you could describe to that person a very specific "whatever" which that person could understand and report on it later...

Please, we would appreciate very much if you could elaborate a little bit about this issue.

Thank you very much. qbeac.

P.S. 1. In case you would like to see the Spanish debate, these are two links to it:

- ¡ Cómo se crea un Paradigma !
http://www.100cia.com/opinion/foros/showthread.php?t=6346&page=1&pp=10
- Post #362, pag. 37. Definición de "Veridical NDE"
http://www.100cia.com/opinion/foros/showthread.php?p=41601#post41601

P.S. 2. For more information about Group OBE and other types of valid experiments, see:

- Post #3, pag.1. Types of experiments (Agnostic Method, Group OBE, telekinesis)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21581

[MisterJingo's suggestion:]

Hi timboman, the subject you have posed is indeed a very important, interesting and delicate one. I am personally very interested in it as well. I don't think we should take this lightly. I don't have much time right now to give a longer reply, but for right now I would like to say I agree 100% with MisterJingo's suggestion:

"If you do feel at conflict with your religion over this, take things even slower and resolve those issues first."

When I first discovered this subject (NDE, OBE, AP a little later, etc.), which was only about 3 or 4 years ago, I also felt totally at shock by the things I was learning (here in the forums, in different web sites, etc.). Actually, without the Internet, I probably could not have learned so many things so quickly.

Due to this situation, I started doing a lot of research concerning this issue: the relation between these types of experiences and the different religious points of view (especially mine, since I am also a Christian), and I have found out a lot of things... For instance, I have been reading the Bible for around 20 years by now, so I have a very good idea of what the Bible says, and I have compared that knowledge to the general message of NDEs. I have also talked about it in depth with people from my church, etc.... I would like to give you a longer reply (Ex: what we have talked about, what they have told me, etc.), but I cannot right now, so we'll leave it pending.

Just some very brief ideas:

If you think about it, there are three logical possibilities:

1) The people who think AP is good for human spiritual development are being influenced by "demons in disguise" (as the gentlemen you know told you).

2) The people who think AP is bad for human spiritual development are being influenced by "demons in disguise".

3) The people who think AP is bad and the people who think AP is good, both are being influenced by "demons in disguise".

Now then, which one is right and which one is wrong? In what percentages and in what things specifically are they right or wrong? And how can we find out?

More questions: why are there so many different religions, and even more, why are there so many denominations based on the Bible, with so many different interpretations of it (big or small)? Are they all right? Are they all wrong? Is there only one right and the rest are wrong?... etc., etc.... in summary, what's happening here?

In order to find out and differentiate right from wrong, we should delve on this topic trying to find the real truth behind this matter. So, that's what I would advise you, and that includes talking to all the experts you may think of (including people from the different religions). In the Internet there are several web sites from the different religions, and it would be very interesting to see what they say and/or know about this topic (NDE, OBE, AP, etc.). I encourage you to talk to them to hear their opinions about it (I have).

For instance, think about it, according to the Bible, in order for a person to become "influenced" by a "demon" (or bad or evil spirit, etc.), you do not need to do Astral Projection. You could become "influenced" by simply having hatred in your heart (or any kind of bad feelings, envy, etc.). You could be doing any regular and normal daily activity and become "influenced by" bad spirits if you choose in that particular moment to hate instead than to love. So, there are probably many people out there who do not AP and who are at risk of being influenced by bad spirits because they do not choose the path of love in their lives. But will that influence include possession?... I am not sure, this point is arguable.

The Bible talks about the specific issue of evil "possession" without mentioning or associating it with AP. That does not exclude the possibility of the relation between AP and possession, but, "it seems to me" (I don't know if I am wrong) that the Bible talks about the influence of evil spirits in very regular daily life circumstances (could that include possession? I am not sure). Two examples:

Mathew 16, 23: when Jesus told Peter: "get away from me, Satan" (that's arguable because it could be a symbolic statement)
Lucas 22, 3: when Judas betrayed Jesus and the Bible says: "and Satan entered Judas' heart." (that one is clearer).

Also, the times the Bible talks specifically about "possession", I think it does not specify how that person become possessed (please, does anybody has any more information about this particular point?).

(Note: see more scriptures bellow)

Again, I am giving you a summary, I hope we can talk about it longer some other time.

For right now, if you have a chance and you feel like it, you may take a look at the following NDEs because they talk about these issues (evil spirits, possessions, purgatory, heaven and hell, the risk of being possessed, etc.):

Howard Storm's NDE
http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

George Ritchie's NDE (this NDE talks specifically about the issue of "possession" by bad spirits)
http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

Rev. Howard Pittman's NDE (this NDE talks specifically about the issue of humans being influenced all the time by bad spirits)
http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/89.html

Christian Andréason's NDE (this NDE talks about this topic)
http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html

Group NDE Example #2. May, James and Rashad's NDE. (this NDE talks about the different points of view of the different religions)
http://www.near-death.com/group.html

373. Meg A's NDE (this NDE talks about hell and bad feelings)
http://www.nderf.org/meg_a's_nde.htm

145. David H's ECM (this NDE talks about bad feelings, etc.)
http://www.nderf.org/david_h's.htm

Reverend Kenneth Hagin (hell)
http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/90.html

Don Brubaker's NDE (heaven and hell)
http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/92.html

159. Peter R's NDE (our own bad feelings)
http://www.nderf.org/peter_r's_nde.htm

14.  Suicide's ECM (bad feelings, etc.)
http://www.nderf.org/suicide'.htm

... anyhow, there are hundreds/thousands of NDEs, but those ones give an introduction about these topics. You can see many more in these two web sites:

http://www.near-death.com/
http://www.near-death.com/directory.html
http://www.near-death.com/forum.html
http://www.nderf.org/
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF_NDEs.htm

Then, you can check the Bible and see what it says about these topics, for instance (I'll write in Spanish, but I hope it is understandable):

* Lucas 9, 1. * Lucas 11, 14. * Lucas 11, 24-26. * Lucas, 22, 3. * Mateo, 17, 14. * Mateo, 16, 23. * Marcos, 9, 14. * Judas 1, 9. * Marcos, 5, 1-13. * Ephesians, 6, 10. * I Peter, 5, 8-9. * Santiago, 4-7.

Again, this is only a brief summary, I hope we can talk about it some other time.

Take care, qbeac.

[- Alternative Vision or Direct Vision Phenomenon. Russian study]

Hi skropenfield, the article you have indicated sounds very interesting, just like the other ones you told us before. Congratulations for all of them (I don't know how you can get such good articles ). These are the previous ones, just in case somebody missed them:

- Alternative Vision or Direct Vision Phenomenon. Russian study about people who are able to see with their eyes covered:
http://www.matrixf.com/Directvision.pdf

- Teleportation Physics Study (telekinesis)
AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY. AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048
APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED.[/b]
Eric W. Davis. Warp Drive Metrics
4849 San Rafael Ave. Las Vegas, NV 89120
August 2004. Special Report
http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

Now then, I have tried to see the complete article of your previous post (http://cref.tripod.com/tucsonpaper.doc), but there seems to be something wrong with the link. Please, skropenfield, could you check it out? Thanks.

--------------

I have a question for everybody who may be able to Astral Project:

Please, everybody, do you think it would be possible for you to have a "meeting" in the astral plane with another person, and exchange information between the two of you? Have you ever tried that?  

For more details about what I mean with the "meeting", please, see Post #3, pag. 1 of this same thread:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21581&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

... and specifically the topic of Group OBE, which you'll find in section "2)" as well as in the second Post Statement of that post:

This would be an example of a meeting in the astral plane:

- "Faraway can be so close..." (Post #1):
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17261

Thanks a lot. qbeac.

Hi everybody, Dr. Jeff Long, one the founders of the NDERF (//www.nderf.org, Jody Long is his wife and the webmaster of that site), has given me permission to post an e-mail he sent me with his opinion of the experiments. We have also talked to other scientists and researchers, such as people from The Monroe Institute, Dr. Tart, and others, and some of them have already told us they interested in the experiments. We will keep you updated about the specifics of these talks. If any of you feel like talking to them directly, feel free to do it. Or if you may know any other serious researcher, please, tell them about this experiment. Thanks. qbeac.

This is Dr. Jeff Long e-mail:

Greetings!

Thanks for letting me know about this!  I am very happy that there is such interest in this in Spain!  I have reviewed your "Agnostic Method", and it is certainly very sound. If possible, another way to do this that might be even more valid, would be to develop a computer program that could be started.  There would be a delay, and then the program would show a series of ordered words, pictures, and background color.  These combinations of words, pictures and background color could alternate every five minutes or so.  If an OBEr thinks they saw this, they could e-mail someone, and see if what they saw was possible from the programming.  Of course there is the possibility of fraud with this, but for those sincere in taking the test, it could work.  If what they saw remotely was a possible combination, this would be strong evidence.  For example, the probability of getting one of 5 colors right, one of 100 words and one of 100 pictures would be one in (5*100*100) or one in 50,000, or 0.00002.  Of course with more word or picture options, the possible combinations would be even larger.  This might select out OBErs for further study.  Please feel free to put this idea on the forum, and see if anyone wants to write the program (such as in Visual Basic).  Please let me know if this idea goes anywhere.  I do not have the skills to personally write such a program.

Best regards, -Jeff Long


Another e-mail from Dr. Long:

"Thanks for your very thoughtful comments!  We (Jody and I) will be glad to talk about the Agnostic Method when we encounter any interested researchers.  I think your proposal to go through level 1, 2 and 3 is a very good idea.  Please keep us informed of postings on the 100cia.com web site.  We would be very interested to hear if anyone states they have been able to see hidden targets.

Best regards, -Jeff"

P.S. Information about Dr. Jeffrey P. Long, MD:
Curriculum Vitae: http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/Dr-Jeffrey-Long-MD-FA9FC3D6.cfm
Specialties: Diagnostic Radiology, Hematology, Radiation Oncology, Radiological Physics, Radiology
Location: -1003 South 5th Street. Tacoma, Washington (WA)  98405
http://www.nderf.org/

- Newest Multimedia Video presentation from Dr. Jeff Long and Jody Long:
Soulmates 2004, Jody & Jeff
Presentation 44 min .wmv 43 MB"
http://www.nderf.org/SoulMate%206-04%20Presentation%20for%20Web.wmv

[We have a good experiment going on, and that's great!]

Hi Qbeac,

I have now read through the full details of your agnostic method.

To be honest I am very impressed, the entire project seems incredibly well thought out and not just from a scientific point of view but also from a projectors point of view, your expectations are modest and agree with what a projector would see as possible.

The largest problem you will encounter as indeed you have already detailed at length is issues with the projector creating and dreaming the validation target.  Validation of a specific target is extremely hard, as the projector knows exactly what they are looking for.

This is not impossible however, and as you state it only requires that a few correct hits are scored for the evidence to be acceptable.  

Now depending on how well your projectors are doing a couple of alterations could be made.  For example a protocol could be put in place to prevent the projector from knowing in advance what the target should be.

This would require either additional help by a controller as in your level 2 validation, or the use of some computer software.  The later would be the most practical as it would still enable projectors to practice alone.

The reason to remove as much knowledge of the target as possible until the point of validation is it makes the target must less tangible to the projector before hand.  Instead of knowing that they must see a selection of words, cards or numbers, they know simply that something is going to be in the room which they must validate.

This way the scope for self creation of the target is much reduced.

You raised an excellent idea with the reality check of reading a piece of text clearly before proceeding.  This is an excellent guide to focus, even if self created it still implies the idea of focusing to the projector.  This could even be extended to include a poster on the wall at the exit location.

Personally once hypnogogic I do not leave my body until I have gained focus and verified the objectivity of the exit location.  By placing a poster on the wall in this location that states simply.  "Take you time, Focus, Now validate your target" we have an excellent reminder to the projector of what the purpose was and until that poster can be observed an exit should not even be attempted.

It is easier to clean up confusion before an exit is made then handle it once OBE.

You mention meeting people and exchanging information whilst OBE.  This is likely to be easier than the other validation method, so long as the people meeting have some kind of connection.

It is a very regular occurrence to gain some information from someone whilst OBE, but often the person who provided the information has no recollection of the meeting.  I think this makes it hard to prove the OBE aspect, in that it could be seen as a stronger indication of psychic connection.

It may be possible to describe the location of a person, I have had some experiences where I have been able to very accurately describe the contents, and look of someone else's location whilst they were sleeping.  This would no doubt become much harder when used as a specific validation target though.

This is all a very fantastic experiment and I would encourage as many projectors as possible to be willing to take part and help out.

As for my own participation I am happy to help and even to participate in the experiments, I am however pretty much unavailable until the 18th of January due to work commitment.  After that point I will happily take part in the experiment.

Also earlier I spoke of software that could be used to randomize the validation target.  A piece of software or a web application could be used that would display at random one of the target medium to the variance required mathematically.  It could incorporate a delay so that the projector would not have to see even a hint of the target in advance.  Words, images or text could be displayed, even audio or video could be played for later validation possibilities.  Further to this logging of results could be entered directly into this application or web application so that statistics could be automatically registered as projectors completed the experiments.

Personally I believe it makes most sense to use a web application, as then all results can be compiled onto a central database so you can get a better view of what is happening in real time.

Just so happens that I am a software engineer, and at my point of being available which would be 18th January onwards I would be happy to program the suggested application and website, for free obviously, to the specification of the experiment.

We can talk on this more later and in detail if you would like to proceed as it could be tailored exactly to your needs.

Kind Regards
Gav

Hi Gav, I appreciate very much all your comments. You were right on target. In summary: We have a good experiment going on, and that's great!

These are some brief ideas about the project:

- The Agnostic Method we have developed so far is Version 1, and we believe it is already, not a perfect version, but a working version. We started with Version 0.001 about a year ago (feb-05) in the Spanish Science forum (//www.100cia.com), so it's been a long way since then. Any improvements anybody may think of will be more than welcome and we will incorporate them to the current Version 1. This could be a project somewhat similar to Wikipedia, which encourages the participation of everybody. So, go ahead, we'll be delighted to hear all your comments.

- There are about 4 or 5 projectors from the Spanish Science forum who are already collaborating with the experiments, plus all the experience we have acquired by talking to many people in the AP forums. Therefore, Version 1 of the Agnostic Method has been the product of a joint effort among several scientists and projectors during a period of about one year by now.

- Again, we are not looking for perfect results (100% correct). You are right when you say that "a few correct hits will be enough." If they are mathematically significant in comparison to the "control group", they will be enough from the stand point of the scientific community.

- Any alterations, corrections, or improvements to the original protocol of the Agnostic Method that you consider will help you, the projector, we'll make them.

- This is important: We have already gotten in touch with several leading scientists in this field, and some of them have already told us they are interested or/and would be willing to help (Ex: The Monroe Institute, Dr. Jeff Long, Dr. Tart, etc.). Dr. Jeff Long has given permission to post an e-mail he has sent me. I will post it in the next post.

- The idea you give about placing a poster on the wall is very good. We should incorporate that into the protocol.

- Group OBEs are also valid experiments. This system maybe easier for the projectors and a little harder for scientists, since we may have to design a different set up, maybe a more complicated set up than the one for the Agnostic Method of reading the words, but it is not impossible to do at all!!! If necessary, we can do it too. We can discuss further the details of how it should be designed.

A couple of ideas about Group OBE experiments:

- A single controller could perfectly handle several projectors at the same time. The controller would only need to change the target whenever a projector reads it (or sees it). If the target could be change automatically, such as with a computer screen in which the different images were changed frequently, the job of the controller would be very easy.

- If several projectors work with a single controller, the probabilities of some of them meeting in the same place (right by the target) at the same time, increases. That could be a good and interesting experiment all by itself. Later on, according to the accounts of people who may meet in the astral plane by the target, we may design a more sophisticated set up in order to verify "mathematically significant" information that the projectors may exchange among each other, and incorporate all the necessary security measures. This might require for some projectors to stay temporarily in a control environment (Ex: a lab) so that there is not any possible way the exchange information before the experiment is over... but we'll see how things develop, we'll go step by step.

- Another idea: the "projector" may work comfortably at home. The "controller" may be any voluntary student from any university or university hospital, who agrees to sleep that night in a controlled room (locked up, isolated, with an alarm button near by, of course, etc.). There are many students in the universities, and I don't think we will run short of voluntaries.

Now then, the student would have to memorize a specific target that only he will know because it has been automatically generated by a computer which is inside his room (or in a closed box with a glass on it, so that you can look at it but cannot manipulate it). Therefore, nobody else, besides the student, will know what the target is. And the computer will record the target inside the hard drive. The student will be the intermediary between the information (originated in the computer) and the projector, who will have to come and get it from the student.

If a projector can "talk" to the student in the astral plane and the student can "tell" him what the specific information is, next morning we could verify if both pieces of information coincide or not.... Well, something like that, do you get the idea? What do you think? Any suggestions are welcome.

We encourage any projector to help with this common venture. It will be fun and we all may collaborate to build a better world and a better future for mankind (Please, remember Howard Storm's NDE).

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Please, if you may know other projectors, tell them about this experiment. Thanks.

Please, if you may know any serious researcher (doctor, scientists, etc.) who may be interested in the experiment, tell them about it.

This experiment may last for several months, maybe a few years. So, let's take it easy, let's go step by step, and let's enjoy the ride.

We'll stay in touch. Have a nice day. qbeac.

Hi astralway, well, I think I need to explain that a little better. No, I have not tried the Agnostic Method because I have no control over the experiences I have. I have had several ones but spontaneously and without being able to control what happened in them, other than thinking, being alert and making "mental" decisions once I was already having them. For instance, I wanted really bad to remain having that experience but I was "pushed back" or something... I could not control it.

The reason why they are a good enough proof for me is because of what I have "experienced" and "felt" in at least one of those experiences: I had VERY powerful feelings that were totally clear (the intensity of those feelings was overwhelming), I had a clear conscious through out the whole experience, I could think, I could reflect upon what was going on, I had doubts, I was curious about what was going on, a had sense of wonder... I don't know how to explain it. For instance, imagine you start running against the wall and you hit yourself in the head very hard, and you can perceive the hardness of the wall, and feel the pain in your head, and realize you were kind of foolish for attempting such a thing, etc., etc... you don't need further proof that you in fact hit the wall and that your experience was totally and unfortunately "real".

So, we have classified the proof a person needs to be convinced of something in three different levels: Level 1 (personal level), Level 2 (for small groups of people), and Level 3 (proof for all humanity). We have talked more in depth about all this at links:

Method to verify if OBE are real or imaginary experiences (See Post #1 to Post #4)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20907

- Whats Your Proof?
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21011

Chao. qbeac.

[- Method to verify if OBE are real or imaginary experiences (See Post #1 to Post #4)]

Hi everybody, I wish you a Happy New Year 2006!!!

I have been updating a little bit the instructions of the Agnostic Method. You'll find it at link:

- Method to verify if OBE are real or imaginary experiences (See Post #1 to Post #4)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20907

Also, an experienced projector whose nick is Gav has written a very good article about the RTZ (Real Time Zone) in which he gives hints, suggestions and advice about how to avoid the distortions that sometimes appear between the astral plane and the physical plane. He has already given me his permission to share his document as long as everybody observes his desire of keeping his document intact. You'll see his "copyright instructions" at the end of his document.

This is the link:

- Gav's Word document about the RTZ. I really encourage you to take a look at it.
http://www.future-horizons.co.uk/doc/A_Short_Discourse_On_OBE_Perception.doc

- Converstaion with Gav at lilacsky forum (you may have to register to see it).
Section: Research and Study's
Thread: Are Astral Travel and OBE real or imaginary experi
http://lilacsky.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=study&action=display&thread=1135185352

Chao. qbeac.

Hi Nay, why do you say that? Is there anything in particular about that web? It is the first time I enter there, and I met a person who seems to be an experienced projector, but other than that, I know nothing about that web. Please, is there any thing wrong with it? Thanks. qbeac.

Hi, we are talking about the RTZ in another forum, and it seems there is a person over there who knows a lot about the RTZ, tricks, how to improve your visual clarity, how to avoid distortions, etc.

You'll see the conversation at link:

http://www.astralweb.org/astralforums/3_2470.html

[only one target:]

Yes good ideas I will think about it. actually I expect even the number that i know to have distortions. i already observed that fact in the past. Things that I exactly knew how they should look like were distorted.

But good ideas I should give them a try.

Cu Tom

Hi Tom, one of the things our projector has asked us to do is the following, and perhaps you could try something similar with the objects? This is it:

Instead of placing for him only one target: one piece of paper with the two words written on it and with the two reference numbers he already knows, we are going to use several similar targets, that is, the reference numbers and the two words will be the same, but the colours of the ink will be different (black, red, blue, etc.), and the material of the paper may also be different (regular paper, cardboard, wood, etc.).

Also, the different targets will be placed in different parts of the room, some of them will be close to each other, and some other ones further apart. The idea is to try to minimize the distortion at least in some of the targets.

He would have to see them all and try to decide if any of them is not distorted... maybe they will all be distorted... Maybe only a few of them will be distorted...

We don't know yet what the outcome of this experiment is going to be because we have not done it yet, but we are about to do it.

Chao. Qbeac.

["target object"]

Hi Tombo, just a couple of ideas:

- What if you place more than one object, and not a single one? Perhaps you could use a combination of different objects (even papers of different colours?). Will all of those objects be equally distorted?

- Could you try to place the different objects not too close together, maybe a little or a lot farther apart, or on top of different pieces of furniture? Perhaps there are areas in your room that are more prone to present distortions than other ones?

I say this because William Buhlman relates in his book (Adventures beyond the body) that in his living room there were several tables, and some of them appeared just the same as in the physical plane, but another one did not (It looked like a very old table, or of a different style).

- By the "target object" (the one you don't know what it is), you could place a "reference object" (an object that you already know what it is). This is a similar idea as the "reference numbers" we place in front of the two words of the Agnostic Method, see this link:

- Method to verify if OBE are real or imaginary experiences. Post #
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20907

Read the section titled: "2- Hints to help the projector reading the words correctly:"

Brief excerpt:

A) Write in front of the words 2 distinct numbers that the projector (the one having OBEs) already knows before hand from the physical plane (he can even choose this numbers himself) in order to help him "focus" better on the words. If the projector is not able to recognize the numbers (while in the OBE state) that he already knew from the physical plane, that will be a sign that something is going wrong, and vice versa. For example, the projector already knows the numbers 25 and 47, but not the words, so we would write in the paper something like this:

25 HORSE
47 DOOR

Un saludo, qbeac.

[they would have to change, modify or update current scientific books. And that's a VERY big deal for modern science (for medicine, psychology, psychiatry, physics, etc.)!]

Hi Tombo, in another thread I posted my opinion about these types of experiments, and since this thread is also related to the same subject, please, let me copy here again the same post I posted at link: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183504#183504

This is it:

To begin with, I must say that I already believe these experiences are real, among other reasons because I have had several ones myself, and I don't need further proof "for myself" (I have my "Level 1 validation" and that's good enough for me). Also, when I say "real" experiences as opposed to "imaginary" experiences, I mean it from the stand point of the scientific community, which only accepts as "real" the physical world (Ex: there could be many other "real" planes other than the physical plane). So, when I say "real" I mean "real from the reference point of the physical plane."

But if these experiences were to be "real from the reference point of the physical plane", that would have a tremendous importance for the scientific community, because it would imply that a human being can do things that they thought were IMPOSIBLE according to current scientific knowledge. Therefore, they would have to change, modify or update current scientific books. And that's a VERY big deal for modern science (for medicine, psychology, psychiatry, physics, etc.)!

Further more, in the case we could obtain scientific proof that AP are "real" experiences, and considering that nowadays just about everybody can have easy accesses to this "new" knowledge via the modern means of communication (specially via Internet, forums, etc.), it seems to me that we may be on the verge of an evolutionary change in society, or an evolutionary leap forward, and I mean a positive change. In other words, we may be on the verge of a huge paradigm shift, probably bigger and better than the previous ones (Ex: Galileo, Newton, Einstein...).
 
But in order for that change to happen, or to not be blocked, or to proceed, or to happen with a greater speed, or to consolidate itself, in my opinion, it is necessary to obtain empirical proof, or scientific proof, or conclusive proof that these experiences are "real" and not imaginary (please, remember, "real" according to the physical plane).
 
The scientific community has the key to facilitate or to promote that change, or the contrary, to block it or delay it. Because if the scientific community officially validates these experiences, that will open the door for the public recognition and acceptance of these experiences by the rest of humanity, and vice versa.
 
This situation is kind of similar to what happened in Galileo's time: first a great deal of opposition and rejection, but later on, and as the evidence kept piling up, it was simply impossible to deny it.

Therefore, if the final goal we all seem to agree upon is for just about every body in the world to have access to this new knowledge and to try to AP for themselves, so that they can spiritually grow and together build a better world, a happier world, with more justice, more tolerance, more solidarity, more love, etc.... if that's what we all want, it seems to me that the scientific community, for better or worse, has an important role to play in this process right now, because if the scientific community validates theses experiences as "real", the process will accelerate and more people will be able to practice AP sooner. But if the scientific community keeps on believing these experiences are "imaginary", the process will slow down or even be blocked during who knows how many more years or decades.

So, that's why I am personally so much interested in the scientific proof, more for macro-reasons rather than for micro-reasons. Scientific proof could facilitate or even speed up the whole process. But, that's only my personal opinion, and I might be wrong, I am not sure.

I would like to add one more thing:

Regarding the experiments we are doing, we are willing to adjust every single experiment to the circumstances and particularities of any projector, since we are very much aware that this is an experiment with "human beings", and each person may need a different environment to feel comfortable. Also, we believe natural phenomenon does not need to adapt to Science, on the contrary, it is Science the one that should try to adapt to natural phenomenon.

Un saludo, qbeac.