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Thanks.

If you already have links to the posts you mention, would save me the time of searching.

Meaning you practiced visualizing yourself brushing your teeth??

Some info for you: I suggest you read Bruce Moen's books. He uses and seems to have mastered this phasing approach, and those at his forum may do it a lot:

www.afterlifeknowledge.com


He even went out and took his kids out with him on rides, verified...

P.S.
I've been practicing visualizing watching my hands, like I would in a lucid dream- doing this as I go to sleep. Last night it quickly billowed into full imagery hand vision type thing.

Peace.

Thank you for sharing TishAnna , and thank you for your comments Draege..:exclamation:

Of of my reasons for wanting some kind of framework is that, without a framework, I feel like I'm riding down the highway in a car with no windshield, no doors or roof- just a seat and wheels. What if I got in an accident?? The more I research and learn, and build a composite framework, it gives me a frame of reference and sense of comfort, due to collaborative familiarity.

It helps me to overcome my fear of projecting, one of the reason I believe I haven't progressed as much all these years. As I learn and gather info, I am becoming more and more comfortable with OBE. For the last three months, I've gotten out about 3 times per month. I'm getting more comfortable with it.

I understand your point though. I'll focus on keeping a balance, so I don't try to conceptualize to the point of stifling experience. That is a great point. I appreciate it!



If you have any more comments on the above, or the positives or negatives of seeking explanations or building frameworks, I welcome and encourage them.

^_^

Okay well, I don't remember leaving the body, I just remember myself standing next to my bed facing my window. Emediately I thought "I MUST be having an OBE!!!" So I decided to stick my hand through my glass window, and it went through. It felt similar to dipping your hand in water.  Then I decided to get my whole body through. (I live in an apartment so I was on the third floor) After that, I  jumped out and flew.  All I did pretty much was just fly around the streets, up and down... so on. I thought to try and get to the moon,  but I wasn't confident enough so I continued flying over roofs of houses, and cars.  The only wierd thing about the flying part was that I couldn't lavitate. I had to "swim" through the air as I would under water. It was weird and I couldn't understand why it was like this.  Anyway, I noticed two guys below me. I forgot what one of them looked like, but the other had kind of long'ish curly hair and he was tall, about 6'3. He was wearing a grey shirt and black pants. He seemed so concentrated on playing catch wit ht he football, I didn't think he saw me. So I stood in front of him, and jumped up and down waving my arms saying "HI!!" (Yes, I'm weird...) well obviously he noticed me because he stopped playing, looked at me like I'm crazy, and continued playing.  I remember my body felt like it did in the physical. I didn't really pay attention too much on how my body felt though, I was too focused on flying around. =P

I can't remember anything else, because it was about a month ago. What I've noticed from  my OBE  is that right when I wake up from it, I'm SO SURE it was real because it felt so real... but after a few days I start doubting because i sort of forget the feeling.

This experience was either an OBE, or a very realistic lucid dream.

Exceedingly thank you for your detailed response xxshimmerxx. I understand more clearly now.

Some info for you, I've read in a book entitled Wisdom of the Mystic Masters of a guy having to swim to fly, rather than flying- swimming through the air. Rather supports your experience as OBE rather than lucid dream. I'd really keep good journals if I were you, very soon after the experience. It would add up to some ability to decipher what is what for you.



Cheers!!

Hi All  
I'm practicing for some time with NEW system and I'd like to intense my energy development.
But I don't want to overdo it, since too strong energy rising may be disadvantageous for general energy development.
I'd like to do three 40 minute energy sessions a day (20 minutes of energy bouncing through legs, arms, spine and whole body and 20 minutes of full body storage circuit in one session).
Is it to much?

Hey Jaco..

My piece is, as long as you use a light or gentle awareness while doing it, you have nothing to worry about.

[Thank you]

You can definately meet people in the astral plane.
I can only remember two OBEs that I've had.... and in one of them I remember flying around my block. I saw these 2 guys playing catch with a football so I stood in front of one of them and started jumping around waving my arms wondering if he's noticing me. >_< He looked at me like I was a lunatic and continued playing catch. Heh.... I guess that answered my question of whether he saw me or not. =P

Hey xxshimmerxx. Thank you for sharing.

Would you please detail this experience where you flew around the book, and saw two guys, and one saw you?? How did you leave the body? What was the separation experience like: vibes, imagery, heart sensations, nothing, during sleep, spontaneous?? How did your nonphysical state feel: just like physical, airy??

Please answer in as much detail as possible. I'm really trying to learn any differences, if there are any, between OBEs that are verified, and those that seem dreamy.

Makes you wonder what else is being developed around the globe that we don't know of!!!!!!!!!!

Great point man. Right now someone is developing or working on something marvelous. We may not hear about it or the results may not be available for 10 years!

What are YOU working on that's marvelous too?  

Perhaps inspiration for us all~

I've never had an OBE, so I can't say how phasing works in relation to it. The method I am using is Frank's mental rundown. While falling asleep, I wait for hypnagogic hallucinations -- usually sounds, in my case -- then begin the exercise.

When I first started I would imagine myself sitting by a stream, throwing pebbles into the water. Often I would see reflections off the water, or hear splashing, but not be able to get anything more. It happened by accident that one night I thought of my kitchen, and suddenly 'saw' the floor tiles quite vividly. Ever since then I've used familiar places instead of imaginary ones.

Thank you very much for sharing. I think earlier this year I experimented a bit with like thinking my awareness different place, for instance visualizing and imagining my vision being in the next room over. I did this to the office of my apartment complex, just sat with perhaps a brief settling meditation, and thought/imagined/willed my awareness/perception there. For a brief and shocking moment I was suddenly there, as if my eyes and presence were hovering in the front room of the office for a moment. I think this relates to what happened with your 'kitchen' experience. Thank you very much for sharing, and I hope this helps. It seems you're onto something.

Would you describe the strongest, most vivid experience you've had with this method?

And also, would you describe another experience of awareness displacement- spontaneous or caused- like you had with the kitchen floor tiles? Interesting that I just thought about practicing with this sending awareness thing a bit more.

i couldnt imagine how a conscious mind could think normally, while vibrating that high. it must be a higher level of consciousness only hinted at with mind expanding drugs. but perhaps you are not familiar with this sense of thought personally.

Yo Jay.

As I understand it, the mind is at a higher vibration than any form we have. For instance, while out-of-body, it's common for people to use their thoughts to direct the nonphysical body:"I thought of standing up, and suddenly I was.. I thought of the moon, and flew through the roof." I think the state of ascension wouldn't make it harder to think but easier. People usually report being able to think more clearly when OBE, in a finer body. Now the physical body is made into a finer body. That's my thoughts. Welcome to hear more thoughts..

wow, the interview with stuart wilde you posted was amazing, i was really inspired by the stuff he says about our shadows bringing us down and eventually killing us through diseases like cancer, im gonna make another topic to post that link if ya dont mind
thanks!

PLEASE DO! Stuie's the man. I really believe that everyone in the world should hear that interview, 100 times (I'm like on 52 and counting ).

http://www.newsforthesoul.com/ram/wilde-shadow.ram

You're welcome friend. I suggest listening to it again. And if you pay attention now after hearing it, can't you see how the shadow is playing out all over the place??

Peace~

Thanks for the tips all.

Can someone tell me more about how to "OBE" from a lucid dream? Or how to do anything from a lucid dream for that matter. For instance, how do I stabilize my lucidity? Or how can I get to Focus 3?

One last question, is when you phase to focus 2, are you in the same place as when you are lucid dreaming?

Thanks,
-Andrew

Hey hotshotrobot..

You're welcome if my advice helped.

From in a lucid dream I've stared at my hands for stabilization, and then simply rolled out (usually leading with my dream hands.) Apparently when dreaming the nonphysical body is already 'out', and you just need to become conscious and have at it!

I'm not versed in the focus levels.

[Lucid Dreams Are OBE Launch Pads | Joint Efforts Increase Success Rates Scientific Experiment Version 1.1]

Lucid Dreams Are OBE Launch Pads | Joint Efforts Increase Success Rates Scientific Experiment Version 1.1

Observations

I have observed several times now that lucid dreams make effective, near-effortless, and practical launch pads for OBE.

I.                    Become lucid in the dream state

II.                 Clearly establish lucidity and self-awareness; staring at the hands helps

III.               Using the dream hands and arms as leads, roll to the side and out of the body (but apparently any movement, spinning, sitting up, etc., will do)

I have also observed that when working to assist or lead/motivate others my success rate at reaching an altered state is higher.

IV.              Create a space and/or scenario to allow for mutually progressive yet flexible joint practice and experimentation (this publication is part of this)

V.                 Clearly encourage the option of mutual sharing of experiences and results, which should accelerate the development and progression of all involved (I encourage you to share your experiences and results by posting them on the message board, as everyone should progress faster and surer- we'll all have more info/data to work with, and more support to work with)

Variations
Becoming aware in a semi-sleep/semi-dream state is also effective. I've once become aware in the morning before fully awakening from sleep. I became aware to the perception of hazy semi-dream visual phenomenon, and simply moved to cause displacement from the physical body. I've also a few times remained aware enough while going into sleep (or into meditation or relaxation or OBE practice) and perceived the visual phenomena forming, and after the visual phenomena was semi-dream-like I moved to complete displacement

Hypotheses

Hypotheses: The reason dreams work as launch pads for OBE is because during dreams the disconnection of the nonphysical body from the physical body has already occurred. Since the disconnection has already occurred, the only thing necessary to displace or make distance between the physical and nonphysical bodies is to move. Becoming lucid in the dream enables the conscious awareness necessary to do conscious movement away from the physical body.

Extensions
The imagery (visual phenomenon associate with deep meditation and semi sleep states) is a pre-dream phenomenon. If aware of imagery while going into sleep or while waking from sleep, relaxing and focusing into the imagery would start it back to deepening towards a dream (towards another disconnection from the physical body). When the imagery is deep enough (to a semi-dream to dream degree of depth), one can simply carry on just as would be done if one had become aware in the middle of a dream- by moving. (In the case of becoming aware in a semi-sleep state, attempting to stare at dreams hands for stabilization of state may be unnecessary.) The only difference in this scenario would be that you watched as the dream took form or caught it as the dream was ending.

Prediction

Prediction: I predict that continued use of lucid dreams as OBE launch pads develops the ability to OBE from waking. I hypothesize that this occurs due to the natural effect of becoming habitually aware in deeper states of consciousness (lucid dreams. Since the lucid dreams are used as launch pads to OBEs, this means one will practice being habitually aware while out of the body and during pre- and post-OBE states. Thus, eventually awareness will habitually continue lucid upon going to sleep, rather than necessitating becoming aware after already asleep. Retaining awareness would thus regularly and eventually always allow the option of taking advantage of semi-dream and dream states directly, from the waking state.

Experiment

Experiment:

**Regularly practice lucid dream producing exercises to foster lucidity in the primary experimental state (lucid dream) or one of the variation experimental states (pre-dream, post-dream, or deep meditative):

A) Regularly stare at hands throughout the day, or do any other actions or queues that you may habitually do (or make a habit to do) as a test for lucidity and to discover whether you are waking or dreaming

B) Regularly question whether you are dreaming or awake, and do so with conviction and sincerity

C) Keep detailed dream journals to help develop dream recall, and thus dream lucidity

D) Practice remaining aware and focused during the day, so a habit of awareness can be formed that carries over into the dream state

E) Staring at the hands during the dream while consciously centering awareness and focus, and asserting the goal of moving away from the physical body, stabilizes lucidity and supports projection-readiness

F) Use each lucid dream state as launch pad for OBE, moving past the dream by displacing away from the physical body within ten seconds of becoming lucid, so as to not to miss the opportunity- which would still allow ten seconds to explore the lucid dream if desired (This time duration can be decreased accordingly if losing lucidity or losing the dream state is an issue for you; this time duration can be increased accordingly if you can maintain dreams and lucidity well)

G) Make detailed notes of each days' dream lucidity level so as to track progress – 1 (completely dreaming) to 10 (fully to super lucid)

H) Remember that since lucid dreams are being used as an OBE launch pad, increases in dream lucidity, dream strength, and lucidity frequency increases OBE frequency; and perhaps OBE lucidity and OBE strength also

I) Regularly practice some form of meditation: (A suggested method is to do rhythmic breathing meditations)

J) Practice imagining and visualizing staring at the hands upon going to sleep, to foster either remaining conscious into or regaining consciousness when coming out of a variation experimental state, or to help in remembering to become lucid and stare at the hands for stabilization during the primary experimental state

**Organize the experiment's information and parameters in a practical way and make freely and widely available to allow as wide a joint-experimental base as possible (This publication is fulfillment of this). Record as much data as possible from (all) experiments:

A) First make a control: What is your success rate now?

B) Keep track of your progress! : This will illustrate how your skill level increases if it does

C) Please post your results, statistics, journals, and/or whatever else you would like to share, right on your respective message board – Everyone will benefit by learning from everyone and inspiring and supporting everyone

D) Be patient and consistent!

E) Check back often for updates to the experiment outline (Version #)

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Supporting Quotes from Literature

"When natural sleep projection occurs, the real-time body drifts out of its physical body and hovers just above it, often mimicking its sleeping position." Astral Dynamics, p 277, 1999

"People have told me that they can see the aura of their partners while these people are asleep. Actually, they are not seeing the aura at all, even though it looks as if they are. What they are seeing is the astral double, which moves very slightly out of the body in sleep. In the dream state, the astral body often moves right out of the physical body and floats ten or twelve inches above it (6)... The astral body often floats above the physical body in the dream state (7)." Astral Travel for Beginners, pp 6, 7, 2002

* If you have additional supporting quotes or supporting personal experience please post them~
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** Potential future experimental subject: Does remaining habitually aware naturally develop the ability to cause pre-OBE, OBE, and post-OBE states, rather than having to wait for them to come?

^ yeah I did that a lot this week, and it acually helped me remember my dreams. Ide say I started doing that sunday, and now its wendsday and i remembered most of every dream exepct last night for some reason. Im gonan try to get a lucid dream and then go to an OBE. Because it seems easier/quicker at the moment.

Hey CNM..

I'll join you.

Theory: If we're both practice this method and share the results of our progress, we can help each other progress faster. Cool??

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And Jazket- thank you for the tips and info.

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Thanks.

Thank you for responding Tvos. I'll read your post again, and spend some time on the links you gave me, and check back in a day or two. Please check for my reponse.

Thank you.

I bet that if you were to actually experience most of the things that Monroe wrote about, it would be totally different than what is expected. He put them in words so the rest of us who haven't experienced it can understand. Robert Bruce said it took him quite a while to understand his experiences because they weren't the same as what Monroe wrote about.

I understand what you mean. Once I'd finally experienced whatever it was I was reading about before, and I got the impression that the experience was different from the words (or perhaps different from how I interpreted the words :exclamation: ), though it may be expressed in words as best as possible.:exclamation:

With practice, I'm sure a person can have all the experiences that are written about. I believe I read that TVOS is trying some tandom experiences with a friend.

With practice...

That's great. I hope he shares how it works out. Thank you for helping to clarify things for me so I can be more firm in my practices.

I guess what I was trying to say is, in my experience, it's never once been like what I read about or pictured in my mind. I'm always mind-blown. In most of the experiences I've read on this site, people seem either surprised or confused about what they experienced.

I appologize if I'm complicating things.

To the contrary brother. You are helping to clarify things for me very well. I'm able to wrap my mind arond this thing moreso, and things are clearer. Thank you!

I'll keep you posted on my progress.

P.S.
Oh! Do you have a place where I can find this quote by Robert?

Thank you for the great advice Jazket.


malganis..

Thank you for your link.

http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/buddha-rainbow.htm

There it is without the period on the end, causing it to not work.

I read that site before, but I'm sure others haven't. Thank you for sharing.

There isn't much about mayans ascending, that I could find. I found this though:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/2012

Perhaps this helps.

I thank every for your responses, and I am sure everyone welcomes any more info, likes, or ideas any has.

How does this method you use get one to that state, if it does or can?? Rather than entering the imagination.

Remember that no matter how you OBE/AP, you're always moving inward, not actually going "out" anywhere. I find it's easier when it's a new state of consciousness that you're reaching for, not a "place". You can visualize a location to make that shift, but in my experience it's not like physical world consciousness.

Thank you again Stookie for sharing with me. I appreciate learning from you..

I have read in Buhlman's work that it is an inward movement to higher dimensions. Are you saying that you don't get 'out' of body at all- that it's all internal? Internal in our head? Internal inner dimension? I would appreciate more on this.

I have visualized a place and merged into it, but this seems more like reverie, or internal landscape stuff. What about validation of real world events and targets? What about moving physical objects while OBE? Are people who write of such things and accomplishments lying about it?

Why are so few, or no one, having experiences like Robert Monroe

Every ones experiences are normally drastically different. At first I was confused because my experiences didn't match anyone else's. But now I see that's one of the greatest things about AP - the surprises in the experience; it never being what is expected. It's a wonderful personal experience.

Thank you for your reply sir.

If I am getting you right, you're saying the experience can be different for everyone?

Please keep in mind I'm just trying to learn and understand and progress..

If that is the case, how can there be a scientific understanding of OBE? Like, what if every different television set, or radio device, when turned to a particular channel, plays differently for each person. That would be a baseless foundation for these technologies. Is OBE, OBE? I mean, wouldn't the state BE the state? How can for instance TMI, or various authors like Robert Bruce, ect, even make general techniques or ways of getting out, or make general theories or observations on OBE to give to the general public as the way the experience works, if it changes for each person?

Please, you Stookie as well as anyone else with anything to add respond.

My favorite technique is to phase into a familiar place, like my kitchen. This saves me the effort of trying to create an imaginary scene.

Hey.

Thank you for sharing.

Question: Does the resulting projection, when you say 'phase', you mean that you join into your imagination, correct?

I'm interested in what some would call the traditional OBE. How does this method you use get one to that state, if it does or can?? Rather than entering the imagination.

Please detail what happens with use of your method.

Hey man.

I'm on Jan '88 now. It seems that most of them are dreams. I'm not trying to put you down. It's just that, well, mine seem to be too. I have thoughts of, what if they are all just hallucinations going through my mind. Like..

What's up with all these communications with supposedly physical people, and opening doors- which I've run across before, but still the explanation of the nonphysical door.. I don't know.

Why are so few, or no one, having experiences like Robert Monroe, where he made concrete observations, was perceived by people at remove locations in conjunction with his accurate observations, and such; or Robert Bruce where for instance he saw his nephew flying through the room while he was sitting in trance? Muldoon saw his future wife first through AP.

I had two recent experiences that I thought were experiences, but upon conference with others are apparently dreams/theta experiences, and I can see now how they were.

I guess (hope?) I just need to practice more, and continue on.

Thoughts? Comments? Tips? Clarifications? Any and all welcome..

And P.S.

I have no experience with the recording device you are using. I can say though that the ARW is seamless to use, crystal clear, record from basically any medium, and.. it's just damn good. The price is well worth it. It's ONE STEP recording. You get a trail version where you can record up to 3 minutes worth of stuff at a time to test. If you buy you get a key to unlock unlimited recording.

Hey Tvos.

I suggest you get the program "Audio Record Wizard" from www.download.com With this program you can easily create mp3 files, which are very versatile.

Search: Audio Record Wizard

(long links making entire page too wide so removed them)

Make sure you get the right one. Let me know if you'd like more assistance on it.

LOL

Hi

Maybe the "aura" that people see is just very small traces of light and not someones spirit, energy, or whatever you want to call. That does not mean that because there is a scientific explanation it means that everyone who sees it and interprets people's feelings and personality are wrong. It may very well support people who interpret the aura. My reasons for thinking this is because when people are mad the chemical reaction that occurs to produce the protons might be speed up or slowed down. If it is sped or slow down it might change the color of the light that is emitted which would theoretically allow people to read others emotions or feelings from this.

Those are my thoughts and I would be grateful to hear yours whether you  agree or not for we are all here to learn.

Hey projection friend..

I agree that is possible. If the conclusion is that chemical reactions are causing the light emissions, and since emotions cause changes in the chemical balances in our body, it stands to reason that different chemical configurations can cause different frequencies of light. And the same chemicals are produced for the same emotions, hence the same frequency/color of light would be produced for the same emotion. Nice thinking.  

Some would say that contemporary science is starting to catch up with  metaphysics.

Anyone else, please share your thoughts!

Aren't you working on trying to get imagery?

Hey all.

Interesting experiences.

I lost awareness of my body. It felt like I had been enveloped tightly by a warm blanket, swaddled, and I could not move.

I've experienced this before, and I've spoken with others who've experienced this.

When I felt wrapped up- I describe it as being in a cocoon- I would relax and move by trying to roll or spin. A heavy and slow nonphysical movement would then be possible for me, though my arms would still be locked in whatever position they were in.

Would you try that next time and update us on what happens?

Anyone else every experience this wrapped up feeling?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050905/handlight.html