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Activity in one region of the brain could explain out-of-body experiences. Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomenon using electrodes.

The whole article:

http://www.nature.com/nsu/020916/020916-8.html

Does anyone of you know this website? [hl]www.brainbomb.org

It seems to be down. Are there any mirrors? Where are the pages gone?

The title of the page was "T.D. Lingo Home Page"

The pages included a workbook on activation of psychic energies.

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

is that forum of any use?

is there anybody who answers the questions posted there?


should i report problems somewhere else? a PM to the forum-admin was without answer as well!



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every time I try to use this function II would get this:

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does not seem to be a problem with my browser

What are the pyramids?

Are they a grave for Egyptian pharaohs or some kind of metaphysical device?

What about "pyramid powers"?

Was it technologically possible for the Egyptians to build them?

Have you ever had any "paranormal" experiences on your last trip to the Great Pyramid?

Does anyone of you have tried to use any of the following methods to induce an OBE?
What are your experiences?
If not what do you think about them?

- Isolation Tanks
- Hypnosis (did anyone have an OBE under hypnosis or tried to reach it from there?)
- Pentathol (an anaesthetic that also can be used for hypnosis)
- Ketamine (an anaesthetic that is said to induce NDEs)
- Salvia Divinorum Leaves (a psychoactive drug)
- Pyramidal Structures
- The Great Pyramid (I'd really like to know if anyone tried this in Egypt)
- Special Sounds
- Sound rooms (I don't know the right name. A room where you can't hear anything)
- Dynashperes (or any other "new energy" generator)
- Nootropics (like gingko extracts, hydergine, piracetam etc.)
- Muscle relexants

If you have used any of these, what are the differences to a "normal" OBE?

Do you know of other things that might help with OBEs? Including those that are possibly out of reach (e.g. zero-gravity).



Pentathol is better known as "truth serum" from films (especially 60s). It is or was used to induce a hypnotic state when the subject is not able to reach the state by normal hypnosis.
Hypnosis was described as a state "similar" or the "same" as the trance state by different mediums. So it might be possible that it could induce an OBE as well if the subject wishes so.
Pentathol for hypnosis is usually used in much lower doses than as an anaesthetic.

Ketamine was mentioned in this forum, but the exact differences between Ketamine "OBEs" and "normal" OBEs were not told. Ketamine was said to have significant differences to normal OBEs. What exactly are they? Why is a ketamine experience not "controllable"? How much ketamine is needed for an OBE/NDE experience? Is it more or less than the dosage for anaesthesia?

Salvia was mentioned in this forum. Can anybody describe what the exact difference to a "normal" OBE is? What was the dosage? Can Salvia at "low" doses "help" to induce an OBE?

There was one report of an "egyptologist" who stayed in the Great Pyramid overnight and made himself comfortable in the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber. What followed was an experience that could be called an OBE. Did anyone try this? Do you know this report? Is there any evidence for its credibility? Did anyone try it in smaller pyramids or homepyramids?

Isolation tank were invented in order to see what happens if the mind had no stimulus from outside. The tank is usually filled with a salt solution so that your body is lighter than the water. The water is the same temperature as your skin and it is absolutely dark and silent in the tank. Has anyone of you seen "Altered States"?

Sounds. Some sounds can activivate the energy body. Sounds like "OM" are said to do this. Can repetitive sounds stimulate the energy body in a way that it can induce or help to induce an OBE?

I think one problem for many is that after an OBE we cannot be sure if we can do it again in exectly the same way.

Are there any ways do reach the OBE state in the same way (and hopefully easy way) every time?

Although I think that everyone has the right to use his own words and terms I agree with the opinion that the new term "conscientology" is not necessary. Even if it is not the same as psychology or parapsychology it would not be wrong to say that it belongs to them.

Parapsychology can be seen as a "part" of psychology as well as psychology belongs to the cognitive sciences. I think it is more appropriate to say "OBE studies" or "higher consciousness studies" instead.

The word "conscientology" itself is interesting enough. Try to split it up and you get "con" (meaning "signifying with, together") and "scientology".


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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by Tom:]

quote:Originally posted by Tom:
It is real enough, but it is not very popular. Most of the people here can't do much about specific problems. I had trouble posting initially but Adrian explained to me by e-mail that it was necessary to go directly to the forums instead of clicking on a link to get to them from http://www.astralpulse.com which uses frames. If anyone has a question about using features of the forums, though, it is still a good place to post them. BTW, this is my 600th post.

hmmm, it works fine for me. I always use that link.

My problem is that the "printer friendly" function does not work. I dont if that is a browser specific problem though it does not seem so.  I also sent Adrian a PM but he did not respond.

Actually the problem is more that there seems to be no way of saving the threads or single post in a proper way. I thought "printer friendly" should be at least "more save friendly" than it is now.  The only way of saving the posts seems to be as a PS file.


density

At least it seems interesting and attracting Unfortunately all information on Merkaba on the net seem to derive from one source It is not recontructable where this knowlegde originates from.

If it is channeled knowledge as peaceful warrior says here tit makes it even more doubtful. Knowledge in other planes is unlikely full of secrets as it the case on this plane. Why was that knowledge only channeled by one person? Why does only one entity know about this knowledge? Even for this plane knowledge is almost never singular.

Even if  the Merkaba concept itself may be right the presentation of it does not seem to be based upon facts. Unless further information is available I assume that it is solely an invention of Alton Kamadon.

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
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Now, I do remember reading somewhere, can't remember where though...some character predicted that at the end of the 20th century, a document would be uncovered in the great pyramid, that would reveal the secrets of the lost city of atlantis !! now that would be a bit of excitement to take our minds of war...

That should be the "halll of records" you are talking about. Most references to the "hall of records" appear in prophecies by  Edgar Cayce. According to these prophecies, however,  iit should be found already. Somewhere around 1999. He also said it would be located near the Sphinx, not in the Great Pyramid.  Some texts seem to speak of the Great Pyramid itself  as the "records".

Many of Cayce's predictions became true. Most of his *important*  for the time after WWII seem to be wrong though. At least they did not occur at the time predicted.

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

How about more choices?

I'm using Mozilla 1.0 at 1280x1024

another link:

the complete timeline to 9/11 (1979-2002)
http://208.187.163.46/completetimeline/[

Create the enemies you need!

Have a look at this: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/



"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

I think what we forget here is why a person like Saddam Hussein has power at all. If these reasons did not exist the situation would change naturally.

Why is Saddam Hussein threatening Israel?

Problably some of you have forgotten what Israel in the 60s did. Within 6 days they attacked all of their neighbour except the Lebanon and occupied a territory three times the size of their own country.

All of these countries were islamic countries while the State of Israel did not even exist before World War II. Unfortunately, Israel only made one serious attempt to regain a normal relationship to her neighbours which ended with the assassination of the Israeli Prime Minister.

How this was related to the cold war is of course unclear at least we know that Israel was and is supported by the US and many Arabian countries were supported by the Soviet Union.

At least it is this relationship between Israel and the US that makes it difficult for some Arabian countries to trust the US.

You can say that Saddam Hussein is exactly doing the same thing as Bush when he wants to attack Israel.

It makes no sense to replace a dictator if you do not erase the roots of his power.

It makes even less sense to support a coup d'etat if it is not your own country and it is not supported by the people of that country.

And it makes even lesser sense if you see the world from a spiritual view.



"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by Tom:]

quote:Originally posted by Tom:
What do you think all the talk about attacking Iraq is doing to the people in Iraq who are listening to it? I can tell you that it would make me nervous to hear that someone was thinking about starting a new war where I live. Just the weeks or months of hearing the idea debated would be stressful.

You do not need to be an Iraqi to feel like that.



"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

On another day of September more than 60 years ago German soldiers in Polish army uniforms attacked Germany. A faked attack that was meant as an excuse for war.

We know that of course because the Germans lost the war eventually. If they had been victorous the history books would possibly write it differently.

In World War II the US hesitated to enter the war. Although the government wanted to help Britain a majority of the Americans was against involvement. Pearl harbour changed the situation over night.

Have a look at this: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

Was the pentagon really the objective of a terrorist attack? If it was a faked attack it would mean that the US government at least knew what was going to happen. Even the possibilty that it was supported or produced by the US government exists. Until now noone has taken responsibilty for the attacks as it is quite normal for terrorists to do.

What we know, however, is that this all gives Pr. Bush enormous powers to do things he would not be able to do otherwise.

I have read of another hoax produced by the Bush administration. Right after taking over the white house they claimed that the Democrats left it unusable and chaotic. Later they rectified this but still it had the wanted effect.

density

PS: Adrian, I thought you aren't interested in politics  This post of yours is too good. It would be a pity if not posted. I am not interested in politics either but nowadays you have to understand how politicians use their appeasing skills to manipulate the people's minds. If you do not you become one of these mindless creature that would cry "yes" when another "Hitler" would ask them if they wanted war.
Well, maybe I would be interested in it but it is a too dirty business.

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by Flying Free Bird:]

quote:Originally posted by Flying Free Bird:

Natural laws will surely prevail, but that doesn't negate the need for law and action against criminals and evil movements. Example:
A criminal robs a bank. OK. The natual laws will prevail. The guy will suffer karmatically. But I hope that noone thinks that it's enough.

It is enough! Surely, it is not enough if you want to sustain a sick society like this one but it is enough as a karmic punishment. The evil always punishes itself. If not the robbers punish the banks for their evil deeds the next depression will do it.

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Personally I haven't come to a conclusion re. Iraq, but what I do know is that they refuse access by the UN investigators. That's reason (when considering the possibilities) enough for being a bit tough against Iraq.
It's quite possible that Iraq is manufacturing devastating weapons. Sometimes it's painful to do what you need to do, to evade future greater pains.

Here a list of countries that produce nuclear weapons:

the United States
Britain
France
Russia
Kazakhstan
Ukraine (correct me if this is wrong)
PR China
India
Pakistan

if I forgot any send me a PM


Now imagine your neighbour just bought a tank including ammunition. He uses that tank to blast away another neighbours house who raped his daughter. Then he warns you that he would blast anybody's house who dares to attack him or tries to buy another tank.

Now have a look back at the list of all the neighbours that own a tank.

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by michael:]

quote:Originally posted by michael:
Dunno why there is a call to shift the post elswhere..surely folk can "cope" with the points being made???we are all alive..havent been terorised in newYork,janin etc etc...so we can surely talk here and answer points without going all "delicate"..life is hard..sure enough

Perfectly right!

You could even say that if you demand to remove these post you should actually remove the whole thread (iit isn't really related to OBEs uh?).

Interestingly, my original post was not really off the topic. It showed just a different way how to think about death. fallenangel, chamos, clandestine and tracy either have only read the last post or picked up some words in the posts without wholly reading them.

That andy gave my post such an opposing answer was his right (although I still think that he did not really try to understand it).

After all, this is a discussion forum. If we really have to tribute about every tragic event of the past years we should open a new forum. Why don't we start with the train accident in India a few days ago? Indian officials talk about sabotage! Another Bin Laden? I think that is all ridiculous. If we thought of all dead people we would go mad.

Perhaps, we should stop discussing what we can do and what not in this forum or thread. Do there have to be so many rules?

And to chamos: Try to get some infos on reincarnation and the doctrine of karma that would answer your question. Also, I think the death of these children is a "good" death as it was fast and with relatively little suffering (try to compare that to cancer).

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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by fallnangel77:]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77:
I do not think that any energy work is really required to project.

Well, energy work is you can say the training of your energy body. However, even without this training you still have one. You just do not know direct that energy at will. For me an OBE feels just as if every Chakra of the body is activated. If you understand a Chakra as a "hole" between the physical body and the energy body it makes sense that energy work can help. The astral body leaves the body "through" the Chakras. Taoists say that for an OBE the spirit leaves the body through a a certain Chakra.

So, even if we do not know it we still "use" that energy it still is necessary to leave the body. Perhaps it *IS* even what leaves the body.



"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by andy:]

quote:Originally posted by andy:
Hi Density,

So *YOU* evidently believe in karma.I wonder what a hand full of those 3 year olds who boarded those planse at this very hour I write believed in?

Have you really thought about my post?
Or is it that your patriotic feelings impair the flow of energy above your brain stem.
Please start to think rationally before you answer any posts.

1. Mentioning a word does not mean believing in it.
2. The meaning of karma is not necessarily religous.
3. My post has nothing to do with what I think about terrorism or my attitude towards it.
   It is only related to death and its reasons.
4. 50 years ago not a single islamic country had a negative attitude towards the US. Why has
   that changed? There are reasons for that. If these reasons are enough for terrorists
   attacks or not has nothing to do with my post.

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I always veiwed karma as somthing that effected you after living in a spirtual way oppossed to ones waking life.

Certainly not! This view is actually a rather Christian belief. You go to Heaven or Hell after your earthly life. The concept of Karma is different. Good deeds produce good Karma. Bad deeds produce bad Karma. When this affects your life is unclear. It can happen anytime.

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As far as Islam is concerned,wouldnt Osama Bin Laden like everyone to believe what you wrote.Of the Muslims I or others I know have spoke to they feel its a horrible shame that that
it was Osama who has cast such a big missunderstanding on what islam is all about.

I am not speaking for Bin Laden or anyone else. That you think so only shows linguistic incompetence. I wrote: "The 9.11 incident was a result of failed policies and an ignorance towards the Islam on side of the United States."

It is a fact that many islamic countries have a bad relationship with the US. It is a fact that many of these countries (including the Iraq and Afghanistan) were supplied with weapons from the US. In the case of Afghanistan the US supported Bin Laden for a long time in order to drive the communists out of the country.

So, can I say that the 9.11 incident has its roots in foolish policies of the Reagan and Bush aministrations?

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But thats the way it is,sorta like the Catholic church,now *every* priest is a suspected child molester,in the publics eye anyways.
( its thinking like this that breeds ignorence)

Yes, that is exactly the reason why most Americans do not understand the Islam or Communism. That is the reason why they think both are "dangerous".

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Osama was no different than david koresh.He was/is a master pupeteer who used religon to fule the minds of gullable people into comiting hanis acts of violence against innocent people.Note the similaritys of just those two alone.Koresh ran to the safety of his secret room in the back complex while Osama ran and headed for the hills.Both,after preaching to thier flocks to stair the enemy and kill or be killed.( do as I say,not as I do)

Do you know how often American Presidents mention "God" in their speeches?


PS: The reason for my post was that I think if we had more control over our feelings regardless of what kind our lives would be much better. You also could say that feelings of any kind hinder our spiritual growth.
Spastrals love for his father affects his life. His fathers fear of the death affected the whole family. If they could see death as a very natural thing it would be much easier for them.
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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

Is death so meaningful?

Every moment somebody dies and it always has a reason.  That your father died from kidney failure was a result of his diet and habits. Perhaps even his genes. You can say his time was up.

The 9.11 incident was a result of failed policies and an ignorance towards the Islam on side of the United States.

Neither 9.11 nor a kidney failure is something we would call "good" but that is the way life goes.
It always has a reason and for the greater karma that affects us all we sometimes do not have the control over it.


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"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

I think a forum for "consciousness" related products is a good idea.  It would make it easy to find information on discussed products. In this forum it is impossible to do that as there are too many topics.
In the new forum the number of topics would never exceed say 100 and the time a topic could be discussed would be much longer.

I do not know how you see this though I think it is better to keep the number of topics low.

That would of course mean to have many different forums instead of two.





"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by Adrian:]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian:

There is much interest here on the use of so called "Hemi-sync" products from such as Monroe Institute, Brainwave Entrainment and others.

I don't know. I think it is a bit too specific. It might be interesting though to have a forum that aims at all OBE/lucid dreaming/meditation etc related products.
It would be interesting to know the opinions and ideas from people whow are not in OBE or LD.

Such a forum would be especially interesting if it were moderated with reviews and regular opinoin polls of discussed products.

A moderated forum of the same kind for OBE techniques would also be interesting I think.





"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking

[Originally posted by amcturbo:]

quote:Originally posted by amcturbo:
Torben,
Ni how ma?

Wo feichang hao! Ni ne?

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As an addition to A #1 above, I would recommend seeing a qualified hypnotherapist to do the following:  Have him/her take you to that body asleep/mind awake state and ANCHOR IT.  Anchoring is a technique that conditions the mind to associate *a state* to a certain stimuli, such as pressing your index and thumb together.  So, in the future, when you press your two fingers together, the "body asleep, mind awake" state is automatically induced.

It is a common method to suggest the subject under hypnosis that he can reach the trance state easier and deeper the next time. The hypnotist could even suggest the ability of "autohypnosis" i.e. the subject can reach the hypnagogic state without help AND can give himself suggestions.

I'd like to find a hypnotist here. Unfortunately they seem to be rare in this part of the planet.





"Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open."  -  unknown

"Real science can be far stranger than science fiction and much more satisfying."   - Stephen Hawking