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Sorry, I didnt mean to be someone who knows a lot about LD&obe  but based on my very narrow and light experiences I believe LD are "weaker" OBE´s  and
OBE when entered via separation process are much more intense experience and you be more "present" in that non.physical reality.
And..there is never fear when entered LD....I dont know why??

But maybe there is techniques how deepen LD to be even more intense,  I tried to deepen LD  but I didnt manage to do it.

But like I said, Im just beginner who trying find out and learn :)I dont want step on no ones toes

Vox10

Thanks, I should just calm my self and wait for vision to "open"

SP have been  part of my life since childhood and I think it is burden... but  when getting older ,it wont happen so often anymore.

Actually ,I lost my believing about this topic (astral, obe ect) for many years but this summer something happened..I believe I was out of my body, just little moment but enough to me start wondering again...maybe there is something...and now I have good situtation in my life ,so I can make my experiments in night time/early in morning.

I suprised that I can quite easily enter lucid dream(after 5-6 h sleep) and I have learned more in 1,5 months that many ears before!

I hope "full" OBE is just behind corner to me ....I`m close

Vox10

Hi!

Im new on this site and I have couple of questions. I been using indirect techniques and (sleep 6 hours and then try obe) and I can enter quite easily
lucid dream by watching images( technique.) Last time again ,I entered full lucidity(it was very nice) and I decided to try full OBE by returning my body.

So i began think my physically body...vibration came and loud rushing noises but I cant separate my body...I feel like my body separates but I cant see anything and when I try see, my physical eyes open and Im backin my body and bed??...and second...I still little scare what will be happen and is there something waiting for me.

and yes, dont tell lucid dream and obe are exactly the same thing..its not.
I been "out" a couple of times naturally but those happened by no reason and were very short obes but i know what is feels like.

Br, Vox10