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Hello DRat.

Not sure what you are suggesting. The book you are pointing is the very one I bought and IS NOT the one that describes the technique. So pointing me or others to it does nothing but perpetuate the confusion. Right? Am I missing something?

Vessen- are you reading this thread? Can you PLEASE clarify and solve the problem for me/us, and stop this silliness?

I've emailed twice in the last week and no reply.

If someone reading this thread knows the author and can help that would be appreciated.

Don't stop trying and you will succeed in having the experience that is considered an OOBE but don't be disappointed if it still never validates anything for you.

Not frustrated just trying to be clear that although I really believe in my heart this is all real, I very much want to experience it.

I have been trying for about a year and will not stop until I experience it because I am sure it is real.

Yes, that's what happened.

I've emailed him and hope he sends me the right one. Really want to give it a try!

What isn't up for debate is that a non physical reality exists

The fact that "it isn't up for debate" for you is all well and good, but it IS up for debate with me. I won't truly know this is real until I have the experience.

I "believe" it is real. I want to KNOW it is real. There is a difference.

I got the "book" (14 pages) from linked web site but found no description of technique, just a description of the overall VEHRAM system.

Anyone have any suggestions? I was hoping for $10 I would get a specific technique I could try out.

What I think you're mostly interested in is a RTZ projection.

Yes and no.

What I'm really looking for is an OBE type that allows me to validate my experience. I want to KNOW that what I am experiencing is more than just "in my head". At this point I "believe" this is all real but I want to "know it in my bones".

On the other hand, at this point ANY OBE would be a step in the right direction.

Beyond my lucid dreaming, I have had one experience, while listening to a Monroe hemi-sync track, where I had a strange loud buzzing (which at the time I thought was a problem with my headphones) and a bar of bright green light filling the lower third of my visual field. It all lasted for about a minute and I discovered later that it was the pre-cursor to an OBE. Since then, nothing.

Thanks Volgerle-

That's just what was talking about.

Seems to me that would be irrefutable evidence of a valid experience.

If someone on this board could try this and report back that would be great.

I will do so as soon as I learn how to OBE. I am having lucid dreams about once a week right now but although I can attain lucidity, I have been unable to transition to OBE from there. Any suggestions on that topic would be welcomed.

I don't think whether you can move something in an OBE and have that reflected in physical reality has too much bearing on whether you've had an OBE.

I think the best way to validate the experience is to bring back some otherwise unknowable information with you.

I am working on having my first OBE. My plan, when I get proficient is to go OBE and then go to a neighbor's house which I have never been in, and upon my return to physical, document what I found. Then I will have a friend who HAS been in the house review and corroborate my data.

I know that OBEs often don't exactly match physical reality but I'm thinking it should be close enough to show some proof points.

This sort of experiment would be pretty solid proof that I visited the house in some manner.

Does anyone know if anyone has tried this?