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When you cross into that state you take much baggage with you, physical rules, doubts and fears.

You have to learn to be conciousness, not physicality. In the same way you looked into your eye to get out, focus to move and shape the rules are the same and your motor functions have no place. Be careful of your fears, I for one allowed my fears to manifest and scare me from the experience for a long time, only rcently I have learned the reason is that the subcncious fears have the same power to manifest and create as you do via the same means. Your fears create your demons in that state, relax and understand that you are where you came from.

Its natural to you, seek the truth of your birth and be humble enough to learn, and you will discover that everything is not as you now perceive it to be, there is far more to the world than most people understand and you have taken the first step on the journey of understanding. There is no evil in that world, only the power to manifest, remeber that.

Throughout my life I have always believed in being rational and taking the position of "reality" until proven concerning this phenomenon. What I'm about to relate might sound strange but somehow I know anyone who looks can find the truth of it.

I can only say that my eyes have become opened and I realised that everything I knew as "reality" was more of a dream than the dream itself.
The Astral experience is not only real, but it is a critical part of our evolution and our connection to the better part of humanity.
Within our mind are two glands, the pituitary gland and the pineal gland. The pituitary gland connects body and mind and the pineal connects mind and spirit. What is spirit? Science might call it the Higgs Boson, Star Wars buffs might call it the Force, in reality it is the energy of creation.

We were not born to live in simple three dimensions and materialism. The Pineal Gland forms after 45 days in the human child and in children is a very large active gland. During adulthood the gland in modern humans shrinks until it becomes almost non functional.
This is why children have the capability to "hallucinate" and imagine things. In truth it is not the child who sees fantasy, it is the adult who places aside the connection to the other sides of life and hems into a false reality.

Darker still there is an agenda in this world which does not want you to see or to understand who you are. They want you to live in fear, to live in need, to live in the dark. So many of things we now feed to ourselves and our kids  act as a poison to the Pineal Gland, fluoride, artificial sweeteners, pop, and a thousand other things. This is why the Pineal shrinks so much during life because we neglect it and poison it. As it fade so does our understanding that we are not alone, we are connected to everything and everything is connected to us.
The Pineal Gland is known as the third eye because its formation has many cells which are similar to the human eye, and indeed the description is correct because that is the eye which allows us to see beyond the material world.

Dark minds set the agenda in this world and have done for hundreds if not thousands of years. All of the true reality which once rested with the ancient Sumerians has been stolen and hidden away and modern humans live in a world where reality is a fantasy and the fantasy is closer to reality.
For every person who has the will of goodness inside them is say this: clean your body, open your eye, and find what you have lost because only there can you find truth and touch the light.

The third eye is capable of producing melatonin which by nature fights cancer, HIV, heals damaged tissues and protects your physical body. This is why in modern times cancer and HIV have become prevalent.

The autistic child live in the opposing balance to us, they see mainly with the third eye and less with the two eyes in front, they live more in the other side of reality and cant connect regularly to our reality, we on the other hand live in this "reality" and can rarely connect with the other.

I suggest this, time is critical, there are dark times ahead and our only hope is that we as a species can find our connection to "god" again.
Everything we know about God, Allah, Jesus in the modern age is a fabrication, they were re written by dark people with dark intents. To divide us as a species, create war, fear and doubt among us so that the few could profit and rule.
The meaning of the word "god" isn't something you will find in a book, it's something you can find for yourself by opening your Pineal gland and seeing with the eye you never use.
For those who can already experience OOBE, you need to change your thinking and seek out your truth and place in this universe and once you know that, you can help other open their minds and see the light.

For those who cannot, you need to try recover the use of the single most important part of your body. The Pineal gland is the root of your soul, it's how you come in being in this world it's how the energies of your mind flowed into your body and gave you life, and it is your only point of contact between this world and the universe which gave birth to you.
Deja vu, intuition, gut feelings, instincts and dreams all come from the Pineal Gland, even though we have ignored it, it still speaks and gives us what guidance it can.

As I said, my truth isn't important, you can find your own truth.

For those who are already able to connect, look for the symbol of your birth.

When I was a very young child I had what I believed at the time to be a vivid hallucination. As I lay in my bed I saw a great Lion sitting on the floor of my room, and even though both my sister and my mother came to calm me, the image remained seated calmly on the floor of my bedroom. Only recently have I come to understand that I saw the Lion (Leo, Omega) for a reason. Now I have come to understand that the reason I saw this was to show me something.


Right now I am not certain if the symbol just happens to be my birth symbol or whether it is the Omega symbol which is important, but I know if you look, you will find your truth, more now than ever as the energies which fall on this world are stronger now than ever before in our lives.

Now this one was awesome!!

I watched the football this morning and then decided to go try an hour for OOBE. The results were bizarre!

I lay down in bed and used my usual technique, on my back letting my body go numb and trying to visualize myself out. In the end I failed although I did get disconnected I couldnt achieve the actual exit point.

Anyway, I decided to have a nap and see maybe if I could will myself to control the dream and how awesome the results were.

I lay on my side to sleep and I DID manage to take control of the first dream and turn it into OOBE. The only thing is I didnt realise it. I thought I had failed and decided to sleep again in a comfy poisition (actually I was in OOBE at this time).

So my OOBE self lay down on my wifes side of the bed to try sleep and take control of the dream. And guess what I succeeded!!!

From being in OOBE my OOB self went to sleep and the room started spinning ( I still didnt know I was OOBE at this point, I thought I was just starting) and I fell out again into an OOBE-Lucid Dream. I could tell this one was a dream because everything was kind of disordered, things were where they shouldnt be, the old dogs bed was still there. Anyway I used the details to gain control and I gained FULL 100% control of movement within the second level dream.


When I say full control I mean perfect, I could walk, turn, jump all perfectly as I wanted to. I believed at this point that I had just regained control of movment within a lucid dream and was well pleased. In fact I came back from OOBE six times during this and each time tried again and got the same results, I was able to control movement and shape the world around me at will. I was even able to interact with the physcial world.

Its gets better though. I woke from the in OOBE and I got up, and lay down afted verifying my facts and realised that many features of the OOBE I had been testing in my own home were wrong, the dogs bed ect. I lay down to check them again, and then I woke up.

This time I woke up normally on my ownside of the bed where I first lay down and realised that BOTH other levels (my awake state and the Lucid Dreams I was controlling) had actually been WITHIN an OOBE that I had without ever moving. The covers were still neatly folder across to my wifes side so I had never moved them or lain there.

Really awesome, have to say when I woke the left side of my forehead felt like it had a nail in it but it passed in a minute or two.

It seems I had full motor control and conscious control TWO LEVELS deep into an experience. Really cool stuff although from the way my head was when I gueninely woke up, im sure my brain was running at its very limits retaining both OOBE+dream states at the same time without me ever being aware of it.

Coolest and newest thing ive had for some time!!!

You cant imagine how much control I had. I mean I was waking up and retesting, I tested all motor function, ranges of movements, I could jump high, control all movements perfectly. In one of the sequences I even created myself a First Person Shooter type experience CONSCIOUSLY and was able to run, dodge and shoot the shotgun, couldnt actually see the shotgun in my hands though oddly enough but I created everything else perfectly AND had full control of movement.

I was so excited when I woke up one level at how much control I had gained. When I lay down and woke up again, then realising this had all be done two levels into an OOBE+Dream I was just seriously impressed.

Anyone ever had something like that?

Ive never had such control. Im serious, I was trying to test the limits of control each time I "woke" and went back in, thats why i created the FPS scenario just to see if I could and it worked perfectly. I was even telling myself it truly was like having a free presonal VR console.

Got to say this left me really excited about the possibilitites, this was altogether a whole new type of experience for me. It was a blended multi level Dream and OOBE something I never realised was possible before. To get that far into my own experience and still have full sentient and logical control and the reasoning to test the theories I first started with was really pretty amazing. To actually gain control two levels in was just mindblowing!!

I should add that the actual state where I could control everything was a high % of Lucid Dream, almost like a hybrid between OOBE and dreaming. It had many dream traits, spontaneous imagery, I visualised the scene but the content was unstable. I visualised a cityscape which I wanted to be old, mayan sort of imagery and there was mayan segments, but it was also tainted with other more modern images, council houses, skyscrapers, like a collage which suggests my mind was dreaming. Its a really strange and to be honest, very cool sort of hybrid though. Another more entertaining aspect of OOBE I hadnt considered, far more interactive.

For example because I was still testing OOBE and wasnt aware I had gone into a whole new kind of dream within it, I was testing interaction trying to move things ect in the house which worked, whats interesting is that the interaction between the second level and the first was correct. I removed a cup and placed it on the study floor and when I woke (not really but what seemed to be me waking) the cup was moved. So in a sense I created a fully interactive sort of inner reality. The more I think about it the more it fascinates me. OOBE into Lucid dream into Lucid OOBE Dream and the end result was a very potent hybrid. The headache I had on waking properly suggests my brain really worked ten to the dozen on the maintanence of this state. Have to say the mind is a truly fascinating thing and im really enjoying my experiments more than ever. I seem to have reached a whole new stage of experimenting with this and while genuine answers remain elusive, there a load of new concepts and questions I hadnt considered before.

Playing FPS is a curious thing to do but given the extreme level of lucid control i had, I really needed to test it beyond basic movement, and also to really test interaction and in the end the results were fun and worth every minute

Im not exactly certain on how I got into this kind of hybrid but its something im going to try to achieve again, whether or not I can im not sure, I hope so though. Also im hoping that what I learned about control and movement in this will apply also to normal OOBE experiences and give me a level of bodily control byond the rudimentary and clumsy form I had before.

Its complex, compulsive OOBE can come and go and even go and never come again. I had many between the ages of 8-26, since then ive never had a spontaneous OOBE. Maybe because of my own fears from a bad experience or maybe something else changed. In the end I had to go looking to find again.

Glad you had your first and I hope you enjoy them all.

The key is to relax the less you mind things about the body and the more removed it gets from it, the stranger you feel. The mind and the body counsciously arent used to being apart and the sensations can be strange.

Also your mind isnt controlling the body and all its doing is controlling thought, thats a lot of free brain power and the mind plays tricks. Its easy to imagine shadows, bad things happening, boogey men in the mist believe me. You have to just keep breathing and pushing back anything that breaks the wave. With focus you will calm down again and it will all become tranquil and dare I say more than a little dull waiting for the body to finish sleeping.

Its a learning curve, neither body nor mind particularly likes what you are doing at first and both will resist the detachment while you are conscious. Your body might twitch, tense, spasm and the mind will create distractions. in the end it all comes down to mind over matter.

To be honest im not sure how I felt, or even if I felt anything at all.

You know a memory, maybe a face flutters through you mind and you grasp it for second and think "ahh thats so and so" you know, it has meaning. This memory doesnt. I know its there and I can see it I suppose, but I cant grasp it. Its like having something there which remains always just a shade beyond your reach in the periphery of your vision. You see it there in the side of your eye but when you look, it just isnt there, its still in the periphery.

You know Im not even sure if there was light, or even colour? Kinda makes you wonder what defines the understanding of what we see. Or I suppose just what really not being capable of understanding certain things means. I think as a human theres a certain arrogance of mind I never considered. The assumption that I can reason everything, that even if I dont immediately understand something I can learn and pick away at the puzzle. Maybe thats not the case, maybe theres a whole other meaning of understanding thats so bent from my own that just cent be understood.

Not saying thats the case, maybe my brain got its wires scrambled building the scene anything is possible but it does leave you wondering.

Strange question but its about the only way of describing what I mean.

I had an experience recently and I can remeber it clearly enough but I cant actually describe it. Yes, I know thats really cryptic but I cant. Its like I have no point of reference for it.

It got me thinking about physics and the dimensions and limits I understand. Everything in our perceptions is based on what we know, we describe things through similies and metaphors. Its kind of like just not having any kind of similie or metaphor or way of describing it. Has anyone had this?

It was a place i experienced but for the life of me I cant actually find words, i mean not even loose general terms to say what it was like. Its not like I could even give a fuzzy description of it. Not sure what to make of it really, probably the strangest thing ive even experienced. I have it there and i want to explain it, describe it and tell you about it but when I try its blank.

Normally something would be hard to describe and you would say well it was kind like a 'blob' or a 'whatever' or some kind of fuzzy description but I cant even get that from it. Its like nothing, I just cant find a word to say except impossible.

I hope someone gets what I mean. Anyone had something similar?

I hope someone had luck with this, ive been off doing other things and havent been around you know how it gets.

If put the touches to this method though and have a pretty stable model now, even simpler.

Basically all im doing now is letting the body go numb. I lay on my back stil and after about 30/45 minutes you get that disconnected feeling. During that time i think about whatever, im basically just waiting on the body to comply and goto sleep.

Once the body goes numb I focus on something, I still use the blanket of darkness sometimes but ive also found that planets, outerspace, anythign removed from the physical world works fine. I keep my mind focused on that and my brain just forgets about the body and I get pulled out.

Still havent mastered the exit though. Exits are very sudden and aggresive. Not painful aggression but its like being hauled out unceremoniously and sometimes I panic. Last night i felt someone had stuck a hand in my solar plexus and tugged me, it was so sudden my real body sat up and I had a little freak out moment.

If I could master that part id be almost perfect but somehow exits have never become any softer.


How is everyone doing, anyone got themselves a good routine? Im pleased as punch to be back in the groove myself. Still hoping to have my compulsive experiences back it was quicker and easier and I think now id be able to handle them much better than when I was younger.

People talk about vibrations but after many experiences in my life ive never felt them or had any need of them.

Just an addition, maybe the 'vibrations' are describing tingling? I do tingle slightly as the body sleeps but its very slight and I dont pay much attention to it anymore. I suppose also the experience probably differs ever so slightly depending on the body, at least id guess so. Only have one body so cant test the theory.

I used to have complusive ones and those were preceded by a tingling which feels more like "shivers down me spine" than anything else, nothing more dramatic but in alsmot every compulsive Ive had I felt the tingling.

In method experiences ive neither felt nor had need of vibrations. The experience is not physical so for me vibrations will not help do anything except hold you back. Ignore your body once you feel it going numb just completely switch your brain into thinking about soemthing completely disconected, I use a blanket or blackness, or sometimes I image a universe and planet, whatever it doesnt matter as long as my mind isnt thinking about anything physcial and forget all about my sleeping body ill get there.

Once the body goes numb you are 90% there to be honest its just getting your mind clear and forgetting about the physical thats the last hurdle, not so simple but with practice you will master it no problem.

Im not knocking anyone elses methods here, but experience taught me simple is best and the simplest route works I know that for a fact. For me its quick and simple and it doesnt involve any kind of complexity. I let the body go numb and then I start forcing my mind to think about a single disconnected thing and boom shake the room im out of there. The times I fail its because I panic at the suddeness of the exit, sometimes the yank can be very freaked out, but overall im ok.

Look I dont think many modern techniques are helpful, maybe they work for some but really they are all hard work for nothing.

I started my OOBEs when i was a kid without needing techniques so ive probably had it easy, when you've had over tweny complulsives you dont really have doubts about the phenomenon and many of the fears werent there for me as id seen it all before.

Goto bed normally, lie on your back, and just lay there, lay for an hour without moving a single muscle in your whole body and believe me you will be very close to the state you need to be in and you will feel it. You cant help but feel detached when the body truly shutsdown which it will.

Then just start trying to blank your mind, its impossible to think of nothing so thing of something, a dark blanket over you, floating, space, planets, whatever try them all and see what floats your boat. If you feel a weird tugging sensation in your solar plexus or head and sit up in a panic, smile because you just freaked out right at the point of OOBE:D Its worth smiling because now you know you can get there easily enough next time.

Be patient, practice often it will come if you just relax and treat it like a methodical routine.

Try remaining fully active in your mind for the first part. The body will start to sleep around 30/45 minutes of complete inactivity so just keep thinking about something particular, planets, space whatever, something conducive to a nice state of mind.

Once you feel the body reach that moment, you will know when that comes aside from everything else your perception changes to a very detached almost removed kind of sensation, thats when you want to start playing. I dont like that technique I think its not needed, just stay with the mind when the body goes numb and try different thing, think of blackness, a black blanket coming down over you, think of the air all around your touching your skin and the energy that makes air what it is, think of floating, try them out theres many ways.

At one moment you are going to be hauled unceremoniously into an OOBE and after that its all much easier.

Practice an hour at night when you goto bed. Yes the dogs are snoring, the wife kicks you regularly and its all not very perfect but what it does do is allow you to get very very natural at feeling the changes in your body and mind.

Just lay on your back until your body goes numb and get used to the changes that happen. The more familiar and relaxed you become with it the more likely you will be to have the ability to achieve OOBE quickly later on. Practice definately does make perfect with this phenomenon.

You will probably wind up having an experience on the third or fourth night. Just dont blow it when the yank out comes

Noise and whatever doesnt really matter, its an obstacle but if you are thinking in your head and you dont move, you will still get where you need to be in the end. If after an hour its not happening, nod off to sleep

You are paying too much attention to physical sensations. Remeber this experience is non physical and the more you think about physical feelings and movements the further you will get away from it.

What happens is you wind up in a fight with your mind and body, you reach the point when your body wants to sleep but your mind isnt calm and you start clinging to physical things. Stress manifests itself as it normally would in tension which is why your hands clamp. Its normal, relax try to not think at all about the body, about feeling, about anything physcial, at that point maybe just think of blackness all around keep running it through your mind until the body nods off to sleep and then you are ready to bounce.

Fear is very normal, remeber whatever is happeing its not "normal" for your conscious mind. Its easy to get freaked and easy to panic. Sometimes you even have irrational fears and start imaging shadows lurking around you.

Its a question of understanding that you arent the first or the last to have it. Everyone whos experience it has probably been down the same pathways. I started you with compulsive experiences, but since they stopped ive had to work my way back using techniques. I believe in fact my own fear from my last compulsive experience is what ruined them for years.

Dont be dismayed, it happens. Just laugh at yourself, relax and try again, eventually you will lose the fear quick. You might sit up in panic but you will calm fast (happened to me last night when it felt like someone tried to yank me through my chest!), you smile laugh and realise you just blew the exit and try again.

The worst thing is once you know, because a blown exit will normally kill your next exit that night stone dead if you are using forced techniques, so its a bit of a downer but you live and learn. Im still kicking myself for last night.

Remeber the exit despite what some people say in the majority of case is SHARP and BLUNT. It literally feels like someone just reached into your body, grabbed hold and gave you the motherlord of tugs right on out and believe me the first time it happens you will freak right out Once you can get over it things are all nice and floaty and you have the gazillion problems of movement and spacial understanding to cope with, really thats a real grump to overcome. First times you will just kind of float round and round, but hey, its very fun so you'll enjoy it, you always wanted to fly right?

Later you will get a more balanced experience, more controlled and sometime you will just just a plain nasty experience so be prepared!

Im lucky enough never to have had to wonder whether the phenomenon is real. My early experiences were all spontaneous and once you've had one you really are left with fascination for it. You see all these Virtual Reality giggs in sci-fi? Well imagine how exciting it is to have your own built in one.


Ive seen a lot of stuff and read a lot of stuff and to be honest its all unsustainable and you shouldnt read to much into it. People have a way of trying to rationalise this, make it real, but in the end we dont yet have the knowledge of the phenomenon to actually know what is really going on. in the end for you, it doesnt matter. The experience and the pleasure of exploring it is all thats important.

You could say to me "You never really stood on that barren planet". Ok, well maybe I didnt but I can tell you this, for me I felt like it was real enough, it looked real, it was awesome and its a sight and experience I consider myself lucky to have had. Maybe I was in my imagination the whole time, who knows, I dont and i dont worry about it. Sometimes you just need to learn to enjoy something first and foremost.

After that you can try keep an open mind and see what you can learn but ill warn you its a truth that is elusive. Doesnt matter what theory you put before me, ive probably experienced a contradiction to it. Im not going to conern myself with reaching the higher planes and talking with green men, I just enjoy and learn what I can from it.

Its beautiful, bizarre and sometimes pretty scary, if thats your cup of tea then patience and practice will get you there in the end. For people who never had them naturally its harder than ever because you have to break your cynicism. Have you ever had that moment when you jump awake just before you sleep (you know the wives tale, if didnt wake up you would die). Well that is the bounce point for OOBE.

In my experience its very very rarely a smooth "float off" exit, its almost always a surge or a yank and the most natural reaction is to panic and sit up, which is why so many people jump alert, but if you can rationalise that fear and realise you arent about to drop dead (have you ever know anyone to die like that?) then you are almost where you need to be.

The first nights will be frustrating and boring, but thats how it goes. Laying still for an hour and letting your body go to sleep and not really doing much its easy for someone who has never had one to laugh and give up. If it interests you, stick at it.

Read some techniques and try them, the most vital thing is knowing your body and mind and the sensations which let you know you are in a different state. Numbness, disconected sensations, tingling, sounds, "seeing" the room with your eyes closed, some weird things happen when your body shuts down and you are still awake and theres a tendancy to either panic or think too much about what to do next. Thats where readin techniques will help you learn. Stay away from karmic chanting, seeking the seventh astral plane of jumbawumba because that kind of stuff really doesnt help. be as cynical as you want, cynicism is healthy, treat it like simply trying out a new thing and appraoch it methodically, learn, experience and eventually you will achieve the elusive experience.

Personally I sympathise with people who believe the phenomenon is bovine excrement. Its not and they miss out on some truly amazing moments. it might not give you the answers to the universe or let you speak to god, but what it will do is fascinate you and give you a very pleasurable experience to explore and learn.

If you try I wish you lukc and im sure the first time it happens for you, you will smile broadly and never look back. once you have one the patience comes easy because you know what you are aiming for is real. (or not real as the case may be:D)

Its possible -and a little unpleasant- to have repeated spontaneous exits.

I experience this once back when I was at University. Normal day, normal night, and I headed off to bed normally. Within minutes of laying down I felt the tingling and was yanked off. The experience was so sudden it freaked me out and I sat up breaking it. I calmed lay down again and the second my head touched the pillow- rinse and repeat.

After sitting up and laying down seven time only to be yanked out each time (by this time I was seriously freaked out) I got up, went to the kitchen and made a cup of tea.

You would think that would be the end of it, but not I went to bed and lay down and was yanked off again in seconds (I describe it as being yanked because thats really what it feels like) and I have to say I had the worst OOBE of my life, hauled myself out of it after about five minutes and spend the next hour completely shaken. Wasnt a fun night, left me very freaked by the sensation and pulled back everytime I felt the OOBE sensations for years afterward in panic.

Its a pleasant experience but when you feel its not you controlling things, it can get pretty creepy. Thats a night id rather forget to be honest.

No problem, the way I see it is this. If I fix myself on one of the many theories (none of which can be proven yet) then I risk closing my mind to other possiblities. Thats problem with concrete beliefs, they often block other avenues and answers and you could well miss the truth when it slaps you in the face.

When I find the answers I guess then ill know, and if I never do then I will enjoy searching and wondering.

Besides, if you had the turht who is to say you would actually like what you discovered?

Go with it, learn waht you can learn from and above all enjoy it because it can be an immensely rewarding and awesome experience.

Well im not religious and I dont consider myself 'new age' either.

My life goes on as normal, I love football, to go out and have a few quiet beers with friends, play pool, go to the cinema, spend time with my wife and dogs, all the regular things. The projection side of things is a strange internal part.

For someone whos not religious I have a very close relationship with 'it'. That it being whatever there is larger than all of us as I do think theres something thats for sure, sometimes I use the word 'karma' othertimes 'fate' maybe sometimes 'destiny' or even 'gaia'. Its not something I talk about much with people, its just inside.

I feel oddly connected to something larger, maybe even 'preserved' or 'guided' wouldnt be too strong a word. Ive no idea why or where or what, its just soemthing that has grown inside me. I grew up without the slightest inclination of religion, but as I got older somehow a sense of being connected in some way to something else just grew on me.

At first it was a little hard for me, I used to question my thoughts and actions, are they good, are they bad, but over time ive grown beyond that. I sort of developed a faith that whatever im connected too doesnt understand the world in simple terms, my little bad thoughts or little bad and good actions are really non consequential, whats important is the development of my 'soul'.
I use the word 'soul' very lightly, just as a concept to cover the part of me im referring to. The inner part, the part that defines right and wrong, that senses what to do and not to do in the world. My sense of things tells me thats the part thats important somehow, its shape and development not the steps along the way.

This is why I dont talk about it because I cant really define it without sounding odd. If you met me you would see just an everyday person getting along with life, no interest in god or church or chants of peace and love, and yet inside I cant shape the sense that im in some untangible way directly connected to something more. My projection began as fun, the wonder of going to impossible places and seeing impossible things and feeling like you were actually right there on the spot was amazing. As ive grown I suppose each time now I hope to get closer to something, to learn something, maybe to find out what im connected to and why.

I retain a logical brain which instructs me that maybe just having these wonderful episodes made me a little giddy and brought about this inner sense of connection to some imaginary thing. No matter how loud my logic speaks, theres a little inaudible voice in my mind telling me that I know the truth and no matter how much I deny that, I am connected and fixed into something else.

Really I cant say I know anything for sure regarding how I really feel or believe about this matter, its my own silent conflict and I dont feel tired or bothered at all by it. One way or another I know it will be just fine at the end of the day whether im connected or not connected things will be as they will be, and I just need to keep on going with life and listening to my inner senses to know right from wrong.


Whether due to some larger connection or jsut a fact of life, ive learned that the answers to most questions you ask in life are already there. Ive many times cursed this perceived 'entity' for some misfortune and asked why, and even as i do it my own mind is processing the answer to the questions like I alrerady knew so why ask. Odd and as of this moment in time whether my own ignorance clouds answers that are already there or if the answers are a part of being connected to something else. I know im not going to beat myself up mentally about the reality either. Im sure of one thing, if I am connected to something larger then that larger entity understands my doubts questions and fears better than I ever will, so ive nothing to explain or feel guilty about.

As I read this back I see how complicated a thing it seems,  yet its odd how it all seems so simple for me and never complicates my life?

The truth is if you have one OOBE, never mind many, it will effect you in some deeper way. How can not? If you were lifted one night to stand in some ancient wonderous place, away from everything you know and understand and beyond anything you believed possible, how could you wake and not be affected by it?

Whats beyond projecting I imagine will always be a search for truth and answers, maybe without any resolutions, but a pleasurable experience none the less and one you wont regret I doubt.

Ive used this technique before without achieving the state I wanted, I always seem to hit a 'jerk' reaction where I jerk back into conciousness just before the drop.

Im not sure if anyone else has got it to work but for me I seem to be to concious and my mind wont let loose when the 'out' point comes, instead it knee jerks me back again.

Thanks for the reply. Ill give it a try next time round and see if I can exert a little more control.

I suppose thinking about it I should have known better having had plenty of experiences and much practice. The speed and involuntary nature of the experiences that night just threw me and I suppose by the time the odd purple spider event happened i was borderline paranoid and couldnt control anything.

Im looking forward to my next experience although still wary, its been so long and I do miss the whole sensation. Im lucky in having had many wonderful and stunning OOBEs and I hope ill have many more in the years to come.

I guess the moral is to try to keep perspective and stay calm.

Its weird now thinking about it, from some of the things I have seen and done in these experiences, I shouldnt really be shocked or surprised by anything but that I suppose is the nature of the beast.

Ive never manifested anything that im consiously aware of though, my experiences to mind have been very random, highly varied and in most cases wonderfully surprising if often odd!!
Well, thanks again for the post, ill beathe deep next time out and try to be grateful for the fact I dont have to try hard to engage in an experience

Theres nothing wrong with being sceptical.

Theres are a thousand theories and methods all with equally interesting 'levels' names and descriptions about what everything is and what everything means, they cant all be right.

Projection, that being the experience itself whatever you believe it is, is real however.

Im lucky (I say lucky because its a beautiful and profound experience) in that I never had to try. My first experience happened naturally. I was laying trying to sleep on the coach when I was 18 (I could have gone to bed but for some odd reason I preffered my couch!) next thing I know im 'out of my body' (it certainly feels that way whatever is actualyl happening) floating round and round my livingroom. I tried to control my movement but the best I could do was stop myself somesaulting as I floated.

Anyway after a while I floated back into my body and a nice lady who had been standing watching me spin around nelt beside me and kissed my forehead and stroked my hair. Then I sat up and all was normal and I was left wondering what the hell just happened.

I can tell you a couple of things, my living room in the 'floaty world' wasnt the same evn though it appeared very normal. The lady who knelt beside me and kissed my head was on my left side, but in the living room on the left side of me was the wall behind the couch. Its odd because I never noticed the difference in the experience, all appeared normal. Only afterwards thinking about her kissing me I looked left and there was the wall. So, all is not as it seemed for sure.

Since then ive had many fascinating experiences with having more or less control over myself. As I said ive always been able to get to that state naturally without much effort, although I do use my own method to get there when its not happening naturally.

Anyway, I dont know what to tell you about the truth here. I dont know where I went, if indeed I went anywhere at all. I can tell you it seems like I went somewhere, it feels 100% real and tangible and just as real as going to the bathroom in the morning. Ive appearread in a futuristic city in the middle of what seemed a pedestrian walkway. There were people, i say people because they were in a kind of light blueish, silvery toned way all going about their business. All of a sudden everyone around me stops, stares and me and the some people start approaching me. At this point I do the normal human sane thing, freak out and vanish back into my bedroom all freaked out.

I guess what im trying to say here is dont pull away from something very awesome and amazing just because you dont want to believe in the '29th gateway to wonderland'. No lost Aztec has ever handed me any magic beans and I dont have the answers to the universe either.

I wll tell you this, Ive walked in space across the outerim of solar systems, and seen rainbows of colours as distant suns slide behind strange planets illuminating the strips of cosmic dust in the light. Ive walked on worlds beautiful and fascinating and seen things so odd I actually cant grasp what it is when im awake because my logical brain has no point of reference for it. Its felt to me as real as going a stroll in the park and believe me that in itself makes it a wonderful and fascinating experience.

Can you imagine standing in space watching suns roll behind planets and feeling like its real and you are really there? The truth is real or not, the sensual experience is real as hell and words can describe how lucky I am to have felt that way.

I dont know whats happeneing when I go to these places  really dont. I used to think maybe it was the point when the subconcious takes over from the conscious but the timing is off so you wind up being awake and wandering in your own sleping mind.

I struggled with that definition when I had an experience I couldnt put into words. Its like describing RED to a blind man, he has no point of reference so how can you describe colour to him. There I had my problem I had an experience in a place where sights and sounds were so alien to my mind that when I was back in my normal room I couldnt even get my head around thinking about what id seen. Ic ouldnt imagine it, describe it, or find any words to tell you or anyone else about it.

That gave me a slight problem on my 'sleeping mind' theory because how can my mind conceive of things that I cant possibly reference or think about? Odd as hell, but equally impressive and fascinating I can say.

So, there we have it. I dont believe any theory, I just dont know. Really I hope someday from my own expriences ill find the answer, but maybe I never will. Still I will always be grateful for these expereinces because they allow me moments most people will never have in life, thats worth something!

I hope you do find your way to having one, only then will you understand why those who have had them can be so tied up in it. Its a powerful thing to experience.

Hi,

Im new here to the forum. I joined because once again I feel the sense of 'growing' in my energy. I dont really understand how to word that because I dont confirm to any rigid belie of what OOBEs actualyl are so i ahve no terminology to use.

Its like I feel that i have an energy inside thats increasing, pushing at me, drawing me back to looking for something more beyond the physcal world. It happens when I have some time just in normal life, forgetting about my OOBEs and just living. I get a sense or growing energy and I start searching for something.

Anyway, now I started searching Mayan calanders, Egyptian burials, old Celtic gods and ultimately landed here. Its not the first time its happened as I said, at some points in life I just feel a growing drive inside me and it sends me off on some hectic, search for god only knows what. What I search for doest seem to be related. The last time it happened, a few years ago now i was off searching Atlantis, Japanese mysticism and the like. I just sit at the computer, crank up google and it pops into my head to go searching for something.

Ok, well I say my last was a few years ago and thats true. This has been the longest period in my life without OOBEs and I guess its due to the last one I had which scared me badly.

Ive always had them, natural and easy, sometimes too easy to start and not possible to stop.

I went to me bed as normal, a little late after playing computer games as was common during my student days. I lay in bed and the slight tingling sensation in my body that always comes before the experience hit me immediately. When I say immediately I mean within 10 seconds of laying on bed to goto sleep.
Within 15 seconds I was out, or actually half out as I was so shocked at the speed and aggressiveness of the experience. My body was typically paralysed and my mind was reeling at the whole deal.

Anyway I used my 'trick' to come back. A little ditty I learned once when I was paralysed and my mouth was against the pillow (im a little claustrohphobic soemtimes), I twist my neck quickly snapping my chin round to the shoulder and bingo I break the paralysis.

So, I then sat up nervous and still a little stunned. Ive never had trouble getting out but laying down fully awake and being yanked into that state was a shock even for me. The worst was yet to come though. I breathed a little and lay down again, and there it was again the tingling just before I slip off. So I panicked and sat up again.

This sequence went on for around 25 minutes. In the end I got up and went for a cup of tea because I was so so shaken up. I literally couldnt lay down without immediately getting hauled into the OOBE state. To say I felt out of control is under statement, I honesly wanted to cry from it thats how shaken was. I started wondering if I was dying or something, I know that seems odd but youve no idea the thoughts that spiralled through my head while trying to make logical sense of this moment.

In the end I went back to bed after my cup of tea, I lay down, all was well for around 10 minutes and then I had the oddest and most unwelcome OOBE of my life.

I went into the state from being wide awake, not trying to sleep or project, as before it just grabbed me.

The experience was full out of body only this time I wasnt in control. I was floating over the 'floor' face down and moving forwards (head first) steadily. I couldnt move a muscle, couldnt talk, couldnt do anying but watch tiles slide by, changing in hue and tone as I seemed to pass various 'rooms' although my vision was always down at the floor.

After a few rooms I saw something sitting on the floor. Really I cant describe it without it sounding highly comical but I assure you in my experience it scared me. Ill describe it as a sort of purplish spider/octopus, meaning it had a round body above with a number of legs below (i wasnt counting you understand). I was floated over the thing and then suddenly I thrust downwards, my face to its face.......and that was all I could take.

I assume I used my neck trick while trying to wrench my face away from it, but anyway I was back sitting up in bed, panicked, sweating and scared in a very cold miserable way.

As I said, its the oddest and most frightening experience I have ever had. None of the other were even similar to this in any way shape or form, Ive had 'figures' with me on waking before but I had control and the figures behaved caringly to me.

For a long time I felt my experienced were sort of 'raped' by this one night. The idea of being torn helplessly into this state and forced to endure any manner of conjuring just mortified me and since then ive never projected.

I suppose im sharing this now because when i have this feeling I know at some point im probably coming towards a time when I will start having these experiences regularly again.

Im curious, has anyone ever had what seemed like a forced experience. Having even got up and had a cup of tea before going back to bed and yet still not being able to shake off the 'state', it just left me staggered and a little bewlidered by it.That night I thought maybe I was losing my mind or something and could no longer keep hold of reality.

What are peoples thoughts on this. Believe me i know how odd it sounds, but im curious to know if anyone has ever had anything similar (not the specifics of the experience) in terms of not being able to stop themseleves achieving OOBEs?

All comments welcome

Hi everyone,

Im new to the forum and have had many many 'experiences'. I always find it difficult to put a name to them as I believe there is more to be seen and understood before I know what exactly is occuring.

My earliest experiences were entirely natural and came around by themselves, many people envy me this, and it was only later down the line I looked for an active method to try increase my learning curve.

To be honest I have seen many and tried many and I find them all overly complex and requiring a lot of 'blind faith'. Many people who experience these occurence simply dont have the faith in 'chakras', 'doorways' 'portals' 'third eyes' or whatever else and this hinders the ability to effectively utilise any of the methods. The get frustrated easily and fail at the first hurdles.

My own method, one which has served me very well on many occasions is much simpler. It doesnt not require any acceptance of terminology or even a rigid belief of what you are trying to experience, believe what you will ultimately the answers are still there to be found.

The method is basic and designed only to help you achieve the 'OOBE' state, which for anyone who has never reached the point is fascinated and deeply spiritual even if you have no belief in anything paranormal or unusual. Its an experience that leaves you without a concrete logical explanation afterward and a very tangible inner feeling of, well of something I cant really define. Each of my experiences leave with with a sense of certainty and knowledge even though I have no idea what im sure or knowledgeable about...I just feel that way, connected I suppose the world in an oddly profound way.


Anyway back to the method.

I called it blackness because thats what it comprises. When you close your eyes to meditate or try achieve the 'astral state' its always hard to control your 'minds eye', thats the part of your mind that sees even when your eyes are closed. Wer all have it so we all know what im talking about, the part of the brain that makes little pictures in your head. Its a major distraction and can cripple your attempts to achieve what you seek.

I tired everything to focus and block it out but its a very powerful part of the mind and really theres no need to block it. Instead I use it to help me get where I want to be. Instead of trying to imagine nothing, or some inate object, just imagine blackness. A great blanket of black colour, let your minds eye create the image and just keep it there in the center or your mind. Focus everything on the concept of 'blackness'.

f you can achieve that for a period of time, you will eventually start to feel your physical senses slip away, possibly some arousal which is common also, and then you are almost there.

If you are a novice you will find thoughts and sounds always disrupt the focus, just accept the disruption and focus once again on blackness. Kepp doing that no matter how many things break yiour focus. Its like training a pup, you have to just keep guiding your mind back to the blackness and keeping it there no matter what momentary distractions enter.

One other note, I have found that for whatever reason between 2am and 4am is primitime for these experiences. Ive read many spiritual, creative and fascinating stories as to why, you can believe one, all or none, it doesnt really matter, but the facts are true. 2-4am theres a strong point for getting to the state you want to achieve.

Good luck and enjoy. If youve never had any kind of experience, it will be worth your wait, im a logical down to earth person myself, but these experiences touch me deeply and fascinate me in ways I cannot really put into words.

PS just to clarify, im not knocking anyones beliefs on projection or OOBEs. I personally have no belief, I experience and seek answers but I have no real truth regarding what is actually happening and I use terminaology and names very sparsley. Thats not to say I dont respect other beliefs or that i fell they are wrong. The reality is I dont KNOW, so anyone could be right or wrong about anything regarding this wonderful odd occurence.