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just tried them, I got to a certain level of the body being relaxed but couldn't put it to sleep, mind was wide awake tho

While breathing in think: "Mind awake" and visualise your head glowing in a color (maybe red) from a third person perspective
While breathing out think: "Body asleep" and visualise your body glowing in a color different from the head (maybe blue) in a third person perspective

(Note this technique has a copyright on it I think... its not mine and I picked it up here in a different post)

Maybe that will work for you.

Simpler would be to just think "In" while breathing in and "out" while breathing out. You can do visualisations with it if you want.

Some visualisations are:
Imagine a flag blowing in the wind
Imagine a flame
Imagine a ball of light

The best way is to find your own personal one I think. I sometimes visualise geometric shapes forming and twisting themselfs and interplaying with each other.

thanks mate I will try those

I would really like to hear some techniques on how to stay concious going from awake to asleep because I have tried about 6 times (I know its a low number but I am getting nowhere) and my brain always gives up and the subconcious takes over.

Is there any good visualisation techniques or anything really, thanks.

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Sometimes when I go to sleep with a really intense want to AP or the night after I have successfully done one, I cannot remember nothing from that sleep period... its not like its vague or fuzzy it is completely gone, what could explain this?

Does anybody use the "fly-out-of-dream" technique? I used it the first time and it worked but I tried it last night and I could barely get off the ground and when I reached a certain level a little computer like screen came up saying "you have reached the limits of the dream" and I went on up anyway but nothing happened, must of been too low concious.

I was in a black void just before my AP after I flew out of the dream and when I opened my astral eyes and I could see my room... do you feel any tightness around your eyes when your in the void?

Actually flying out of your dream sounds pretty cool tho!.

yeah I flu up past some building and into the sky and thats when I started to go blind because I was going outside the dimension of the dream but you have to have a certain amount of control because the first time I tried it in other dreams I could not get off the ground because I was trying to will it and not expect it and the other time some dream characters put me off

But yeah its a good exit show for your dream pals

lol thats funny

well for me the more I was flying higher the more my eyes felt more tightly closed and the dream faded to blackness and I felt myslef float up and tried to will my eyes open but they would not open, only when I opened them like I would in the physical did it work

I am almost sure it was but I just want confirmation

I dreamt I was in a city and I became lucid, I decided to try to OBE and fly out of the dream... I couldnt fly at first but remembered you dont try to will yourself to fly but you have to expect that you can so then I took off but was going really slow so I "expected" to go really fast then I did

As I flu higher my eyes began to tighten like I was closing them shut really hard and the dream just went all black and I couldnt see nothing but I fly myself being "pulled up" and so I decided I wanted to see something and I tried to will myself with no luck but since my eyes felt so tighly closed I decided to open them like I would in physical and it worked! I could see my window, it was night but I could see everything clearly and I was floating above the bed.

I could not control myself and I was spinning slowly and then I felt myself being pulled gently back down to the bed and I tried to grab my headboard to stop myself but no luck I then woke up... it felt so real and I could see my room like it was physical, or even better but I couldnt control myself I was just spinning slowly and gently.

Nothing... but anykind of music can break focus if loud enough

I dont think you want australian music blasting into your ear when your trying to focus mate

Not really the same experience but twice when I became lucid in a dream and was about to fly out of the dream I was interrupted

The first time it was Jack Nicholson shouting profanity at me and he put me off and I fell back into the dream and the second time it was my father shouting, I think either something is trying to stop me or my fears(even if unoticed and unwarranted) are trying to hold me back

Not too dark, no.

On another note I tried to do it this morning but everytime I got to a certain relaxation level I heard a noise which sent me back up again, pretty annoying I can only assume it is astral noise or some entitiy messing around.

yes I felt the cold off the wall and the pressure from hitting it

2 nights ago I was dreaming and then suddenely I became lucid, I decided to try to AP and decided to try the method of flying out of the dream but it was taking too much energy, effort and was threatening to wake me up so I just decided to "will" myself out and things got interesting...

I felt myself move inside myself if that makes any sense, I got a floating sensation inside my body and felt my legs float and then I felt my arms/torso etc floating around but I couldnt see anything just blackness.

I sleep near a wall and I think I floated into the wall because I felt the cold and the pressure from hitting it and then suddenely I woke up.


Now tonight I attempted to put myself into trance by letting my body fall asleep so I let this go on for about 15 minutes but my mind got too rested from the sleep I just had so I just decided to get up, although annoying sounds were coming into my mind like some australian guy saying "fancy a jingle mate?" and other distractions which I will have to learn to ignore.