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I am able to get to the start of a projection almost at will now.
       I start to have vibrations and pressure as well as paralysis and all the exit related phenomenon but no matter how hard I try i cant get out of my body some times i can get out  for like 3 feet but am pulled right back like i have rubber bands or something attached. I have been using the rope technique which has been causing a energy rush but no exit??
Can any body tell me what might be wrong and how to fix it???

Any body know of any good OBE websites please put down a link.

I read Monroes second book it is crap all the damm thing is about is LOVE, Love wont get you into heven i mean after reading that book makes me think the whole thing is a bonking hoax

I want to meet god so i can ask him why he made stupid insecure people?  Look people the whole idea that there are some sort of beings out there is pretty messed up i mean come on is 80% of people on this forum screw balls wake up folks there are no angels or gods what the f$&U i mean come on yeah astral projection is real but it does not mean there is a god much less even an afterlife you all make to much stuff up. nine out of ten post on this forum is garbage and i wish i could just rip the excrement out of the server and burn the crap all this about make belive garbage that you folks post on this forum.

I would like to see some more down to earth and rational stuff.

You said some stupid stuff go to a stupid forum

Is Astral projection real many people say yes and many say no. With my Experience I have found that the sensation of being out of body is very real and being in a dream enviorment is just as real as real.

The simple problem with this subject of Astral Projection is that it cant be measured and only crudely observed by a out side party. The best we can do is prove or disprove it personally from out own involvement with it. I myself have had many off and on OBE and lucid dreams some that would make a weak souled person go to church more often but for me it has opened my eyes to the greater universe and human ignorance of all thats out there that we don't understand, and may never grasp. In most traditional cultures and eastern cultures OBE is just as real as other things that can happen to people in life but in our Christian Western culture OBE is considered false or the devil is behind it. There is no evil with the practice of OBE and many ancient philoshpers like Socrates Talked about the soul leaving the body.

To prove the falsification of OBE is to prove this world fake as well because you must ask what is reality and what is fantasy. is no better demonstrated with a Paradox

If one were to never awaken from a dream woun't it become real.

HOW EASY IS OBE

No i have never had tightness around the eyes before

But my eyes many times when im in the void or not-(dreams Trance) they feel like one os open and the other is closed somtimes they feel like they are very dry.

I apologize if i sounded harsh.

What i was saying is that Angels are a Faith construct. That is you believe in Angels or demons or what not you will see them in dreams etc. The truth is that they aren't really there to help you. Other than you helping your self subconsincly
Now there may be idenpenent entities out there but calling them angels is like calling a Rhino a Unicorn. Many people have had NDE and reported they had contact with Christ!!! not that Christ was a real prophet but that there belief that Jesus is in heaven makes them assume incorrect things about the other side an ignorant person with no knowledge of the occult or philosophy will assume any spirit or  guide is Jesus. 

I'm not accusing you in any way but quite the opposite i admire your pioneering study of the phenomena of sleep and OBE.
But
I fear that this forum has a few members who post hoaxes wanting attention and even more so who assume OBE are mythical and religious. which they may be?
But it needs to go about in a more or less scientific method on exploring this strange study of the human soul/mind. This is to help maintain the legitimate awareness of OBE. thank you

Good advice

But taken to much active part blows it all the more as well a passive one.

The whole idea of angels is crap becuase there arent any if you had not made this up you may need to talk to a doctor about this and get medicated. Your belief in angels may have made you dream them up but either way it was not real...................................................................................

Because it was around 5am when I projected in my room it was dark, is there anyway of making it light in my room when I next project or does it stay dark. I can remember thinking clarity all the time but when I was OOB in my room it was just as it would be in real life at that time in the morning - dark. When I was in the Lucid Dream there were more colours n I could see quite well (a little cloudy though).

Just the same in real life Project during the day it will be light, night dark.

How can I stay OOB longer without getting pulled back on the bungee rope to my body lol?
Not really a way other then luck.

Should I of seen my own body as if it looks in real life?

Don't try to look for it you will regret it.

How can I clear my mind while OOB or in a Lucid Dream so I'm not asking myself to do all these thing's at once i.e. clarity now, OOB now, spin now, etc, etc. I think this is what ruined my Lucid Dream, I was wanting to do so much in it, especially get out of body again.

Meditation and practice.

Does the spinning technique actually work to take you to another place in the Astral? It felt like I was actually spinning at top speed in my bed and I got worried I would wake others in my house up with all the noise from it?
Never worked for me.

Very Interesting and disturbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me how successful are you and how long it took you to learn AP?

I need advice!!!!!!!!!

When im dreaming and realize it is just a dream then i have a lucid dream.

As soon as im LUCID the dreams fades away and becomes a blank Void.
or goes to sleep paralisis.

This is not from me getting over exiceted.

Can someone tell me whats wrong and how can it be fixed?

      I have found that the only way that I can have an OBE or Lucid Dream is this.

I'm a late sleeper and tend to sleep to 10:00 but I stay up late as well. I force myself up at 7:00 am or 8:00 am earlier works but sometimes I'm to tired. I get up for maybe
30 mins to an hour no less no more then that I walk around (don't eat) then I decide to go back to sleep I go to a chair not a bed i lean the chair back.

close my eyes and think about having an obe then I use the relaxation method but not to much because I'm already relaxed I clear my mind and then focus my thoughts on an Obe i fall asleep then it may or may not happen but the success rate is around 20% 

Here are two question i would like forum members to answer for me about the astral plane and the dream worlds.

1. Describe the landcapes you saw.



2. Describe animals or people you saw.

All of my dreams are in color. I have never had a black and white dream.
I think the idea is that many dreams are dark anyway but not all so color is less.

Flash backs almost always are in black and white which can happen when we dream

I would like to hear some thoughts on this breaking discovery that may prove or disprove it.

It wont work and the fact that you whant to do this means you have bigger problems to work out in this world before you should go to the next!!!!!!

              Simple observation, in dreams has reveled a intersting discovery that may redefine how we all dream.

During the last few months i have been observing my dreams, and discovered a bubble that surrounds us during dreams. This bubble is not a real bubble but our own unawareness of the greater environment around us in dreams. In nonlucid dreams we do not know that we are dreaming and usually we are involved in some more or less important activity that fills our entire dream. We also think we are in familiar settings such as HOME, SCHOOL, DEPARTMENT STORE, etc. But the truth is that the surrounding will have no resemblance at all with our familiar settings but in a dream we just assume they are.

The Truth could be we are all mindless Zombies in nonlucid dreams or simply sleep walking in dreams. And our ignorance of the dream world around us is the bubble because we chase our earthy desire in dreams that binds us to blindness.

From my research and your answers it appears that, there could be many kinds of astral experiences.
1. the most common a sort of non material realm of desires and emotions, which can never be measured or understood. Because it is only a reflection of our inner self.

2. The other common experience is the dream world or world that appears solid but has different laws of nature that we are familiar with here in this universe. But in its own right is a legitimate physical universe in its self.

To prove this.

If you were is a lucid dream and then realized you could never wake from it wouldn't it become your knew reality?

This proves that how is our waking universe less real or less solid then any other.

Could it be that we do not understand the true geography of the planes but, only a crude idea.

An example could be the ancients who thought there was a vast river like ocean circling the world and beyond that was the gods.

From there point of view this seemed right till latter advances in sciences proved this false.

I have a strong feeling that what people are labeling the astral the ethric is very 
Incorrect because the average person when dealing with the astral is like trying to make sense of the world like the ancients long ago.

From my experience there seems to be many world that are wrongly labeled the astral maybe they are the astral but the problem is there is not a corrects understanding of the astral.

I believe this forum can shed an unprecedented light on the true geography of the planes because like the physical universe why can't the spiritual have laws of nature as well?

If any one has read Astral Dynamics from Robert Bruce. You may be familiar with his Skull Rock experience, from his description how is it any different from another physical universe or another planet?

And Monroe's Journeys out of the body when he is in Local 3 how does that fit in to this astral, mental, cosmology.

From my research and your answers it appears that, there could be many kinds of astral experiences.
1. the most common a sort of non material realm of desires and emotions, which can never be measured or understood. Because it is only a reflection of our inner self.

2. The other common experience is the dream world or world that appears solid but has different laws of nature that we are familiar with here in this universe. But in its own right is a legitimate physical universe in its self.

To prove this.

If you were is a lucid dream and then realized you could never wake from it wouldn't it become your knew reality?

This proves that how is our waking universe less real or less solid then any other.

Could it be that we do not understand the true geography of the planes but, only a crude idea.

An example could be the ancients who thought there was a vast river like ocean circling the world and beyond that was the gods.

From there point of view this seemed right till latter advances in sciences proved this false.

I have a strong feeling that what people are labeling the astral the ethric is very 
Incorrect because the average person when dealing with the astral is like trying to make sense of the world like the ancients long ago.

From my experience there seems to be many world that are wrongly labeled the astral maybe they are the astral but the problem is there is not a corrects understanding of the astral.

I believe this forum can shed an unprecedented light on the true geography of the planes because like the physical universe why can't the spiritual have laws of nature as well?

If any one has read Astral Dynamics from Robert Bruce. You may be familiar with his Skull Rock experience, from his description how is it any different from another physical universe or another planet?

And Monroe's Journeys out of the body when he is in Local 3 how does that fit in to this astral, mental, cosmology.

Thank you all for your answers.

I find this very interesting and would like to see more discussens on the topic of the astral plane, and its nature behind it. Many say you can never make sense of the astral but i believe this is not true. I'm sure the astral can be understood if people shared there experiences and then looked for patterns i think the results will be very surprising.

 I would like to start a new topic, on what people have seen in the Astral plane. Here are a few question i have been pondering.
1. Is it solid like the Physical?
2.Is it no diffrent then a lucid dream.
3.Are there people there
4.Are there cities or buildings
5.Is it non solid always in flux
6.could it be described
7.is the astral another physical universe.

These question in my research of the subject have never really been answered.
I would like members of the forum to answer these seven questions according to there own experience>Thank You.

What do you mean by it becoming a NightMare?