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What, specifically, has kept you from projecting? You said you were busy. Busy with what? Work? could be Work Distraction, or Work Disruption. Of course 'work' could refer to practicing your projection.

Just a little intuition. I have no idea, really.

Sorry if that didnt help.

I DO appreciate the response!  One of those could be the case...I'm on longer working a 9-5 job (doing some independent work...web development, IT, etc...)....since I've quit that usual grind this has all slowed down alot (added stress perhaps?)...I'd think more freedom would HELP me though instead of hinder me in general...

Someone told me it could also just generally mean Wake-Disturbances....I suppose it could....I just wish there was a way to confirm one way or the other...

...Obviously it's some sort of disturbance...I did have an experience today when I took a nap...actually managed to sit there and breath in energy into the places I was stuck and then fairly easily stepped/rolled out....tried to find my girlfriend...still trying to get a validation from seeing where she is and what she is wearing, etc...hasn't happened yet though and this time I ended up in a diner, asking for advice on how to find her, and some guy was looked at me funny and said:  "use the phone!"....I did, a payphone, had a conversation with her....really seemed REAL! told her I was talking to her in a dream, don't remember anything after that....LOL

Chant this mantra while in a lucid dream according to jonathan nassaw, to have an obe or 10 simultaneous dreams that possibly will be shared with people you know:

Gaom-Raom-Om-bour-bu-mama-papa

Would love to have an audio clip of this being done correctly...can never "read" these things the way they are supposed to be spoken....

Ive heard theres ways of comunicating with your spirit guide without have to project i personaly havent but maybe you could give it a try to see what w.d is. Maybe your spirit guide got me to write this so you try and find it out. Maybe it isnt. Who knows.

I tried this yesterday but it didnt work for me but may help you if you wonna give ut a try.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-625270638122025842&q=contact+spirit+guide&total=57&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

thanks for the link, but it doesn't work...I did find this link which works fine, maybe this is what you wanted to link?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1930517631660584444&q=spirit+guide&total=618&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Also I guess you can get the full mp3 version at the person's website here:  http://yourfreedomarea.com

But I couldn't find the mp3 on the site...looks like an amateur mess of a site actually....

I really wish I knew what it means...doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm pretty darn clear that this is what I head...it was really powerfully impressed into my mind, where other details are more foggy...

I was told that in the future it perhaps would make sense to me....but I just have no idea HOW that will come about....

...if it does....

Thanks for the replies!

I haven't projected for months (life has gotten more busy and I think I'm losing my touch....and my first few were such strong RTZ projections....I don't know what happened to weaken them ...)

Well anyways, I finally managed to project a couple nights ago, practically crawling and tugging my way out....was very unfocused like my last few across the months have been.....ended up in an industrial looking place....dark, but not scary at all....

I tried something I've tried dozens of times with no success. I asked for "a benevolent spirit guide to help me".

almost immediately this time an old women's voice called out, I followed it and went through a gate, she was at a long table...

I asked her "Why can't I project anymore, what has happened to me, what can I do?"

She clearly said "sounds like you received a WD", she said it matter-of-factly like that was all there was to it and I could feel myself slipping away...I asked her name, she replied "AGATH" (as in Agatha).

I thanked her very much...

Now I'm confused....does this mean anything or is this just a meaningless dream? Did I catch something or suffer an attack by meaning of this "WD"?

Thanks for ANY responses!!


- Astral Neophyte

I know this seems arbitrary, but you just have to ignore that feeling.  That's it.  Once you successfully do it, it's very likely you will never feel that same fear again.  You will be to blown away and smiling huge from the experience afterwards.  I was!

Strangely enough I never experience vibrations (beyond a distant numb tingling that is so subtle I have to concentrate to even feel it)...in my dozen or so projections the only symptom I get it a heavy feelings everywhere....

I don't know if that's good or bad, but I am curious about vibrations....I'd like to experience severe vibes once to see what it's like!

Nah during OBE's your not in the physical..... you won't see anyone, except if you imagine them or if they are in an OBE aswell. And then there might be things which acctually live there, but thats controversial.

Really?  I've never heard that, I've always heard an OOBE in the RTZ (real time zone) was exactly that....I only have 5-6 OOBe experiences and I'm pretty sure they weren't "higher astral" projections since I'm a beginner (but who knows), and I was alone more or less in my apt...guess I should test and try to find my brother or roomate....

but I've heard many stories of people watching "REAL" people....

Anyone?

[Isa 14:12]

Just wanted to point out that the comment made by Hagethuriel concerning Christ and what "He said" about Lucifer is false (perhaps he misphrased it, or simply doesn't understand the point made.)

As a serious student of the Bible and what it "says", I wanted to make this clear.  In fact I've studied scripture so much in private study and research, not satisfied with being spoon fed it's contents that I no longer consider myself a "Christian" because I believe most Christian doctrines don't even TEACH what scripture teaches.  (irony of ironies!)

Isa 14:12 is the only passage in the Bible that "Lucifer" is found (and it's OT, before Christ) and it's also completely erroneous.  Lucifer is a LATIN word (which as Hagethuriel mentioned, does represent 'light bringer') but it finds no equivalent in Hebrew or even Greek.  The root HEBREW word used in ISA 14:12 actually means "howl" (it's a verb!) and this same root Hebrew word is used elsewhere in the OT and transfered as 'howl' many times, in fact it's even used in the book of ISA as exactly 'howl!' in another place! this entire 'oh howl' theme is seen often in scriptures in the OT, the passage is actually dealing solely with the king of Babylon! ...not a made-up naughty angel turned into the devil....(how is that for quality English "translations"?)

Christ never stated Lucifer at all because Lucifer is a Christendom HOAX.  I do believe as the Bible actually teaches, that God created SATAN (an evil spirit from day one, not a Lucifer ex-angel being) and for a greater divine and GOOD purpose, so I do agree with Hagethuriel in that regard at least.

Plus I've had about 6 AP experiences, so I'm having to reevaluate everything now

I find it fairly easy to do with 1 caveat: you can remain focused on only one thought.  Once out of your body, imagine your girlfriend -- not where she is staying in the physical. Picture her face and imagine her 'feel'. After what feels like a few seconds of doing this, I usually perceive the surroundings drop slightly from around me and begin whisking passed me. For some reason, I always feel myself as stationery and not moving. Your eyes can remain open or closed during this. If they stay open, do NOT pay any attention to the surroundings flying passed you. This will cause you to lose the connection with her and you will drop wherever it is that caught your attention -- this is the 'tricky part.' After what feels like about half a minute, the surroundings will slow down and you will find yourself somewhere else. Look around and she should be near you.

Sweet!  Thanks for the information.

Anyone else have tips about this to share? 

Hmm, I have been wondering something: Does this mean that people like quadrapeligics who are physically paralized all the time can easily exit their body without having to be in a trance?

That's a great question, I'd like to know the answer to that myself!

Hey I checked out your website (invisiblelight.us) GOOD JOB! and I viewed alot of the material there, just wondering if you were able to get a 100% validation with the playing cards yet or with something else that gave you 100% assurance of your experiences happening "in the real world".

[but it is quite possible to project while your physical body is active and in fact engaged in activities.]

Some people mistakenly believe that the "mind" must be awake and the body asleep in order to astral project. This is not true. If the physical body is asleep, relaxed, or dormant, this will indeed make projecting relatively easier, but it is quite possible to project while your physical body is active and in fact engaged in activities. This is because the consciousness of the physical body is able to continue without the focus of some of the energy usually associated with it (the spirit). However, when that spirit leaves on an adventure, the physical consciousness becomes somewhat diminished in consciousness and intelligence.

But how?  How does a person train to do this?  What sort of thoughts/steps need to be taken to accomplish this?  All guides I've seen have always been "mind awake/body asleep"  granted, probably because that's easier...still having trouble with it for sure.....just wondering if a guide/advice exists on doing it while physically active (I would want to do it while sitting down, not actually being active, etc..)

Thanks.

im sorry for the bad english i think this is the right forum for this.

i can't believe im good at something, it was so easy. i "woke up" this morning in a state somewhere between being awake and aseleep and i thought for some reason, i should try to get out of my body. so i startet rocking and then i felt the vibration and i was in the room flying , the roomk was dark and it was hard to see so i got sceard.
the first few seconds nothing happened but then i got back and i went back to dreaming. do you think this was for real. they say when your out there you can have a problem staying out there not getting back(not that it was a big problem but still it feelt different than before).
is the astral suppossed to look dark, the room was dark but not that dark.

i have had som other problems too, i got a necklace as a gift and i fell asleep with it on. had lots of bad dreams wearing it.
have happened before with another necklace. is it common? do you think i'ts left over energy or some kind of beeing?

Can't really answer the necklace thing, 'cept to say I believe spirits/energy can attach to THINGS.  I've had a ouji board I tried to destroy when I was about 17 refuse to burn and TWO of my friend's lighters (these were new) I attempted to light it with litterly fell apart in my hand (the roller/metalic mechanism)....that was ODD...

But concerning the blackness, it's possible you suffered astral blindness...next time demand to see or reach up and open your eyes with your astral "hands", that may work better....

I've only had about 5 experiences, and I recall the first 2 1/2 I was blinded for the most part....keep trying!

I very gently psyche cashiers into unintentionally giving me all of my money back in change when I can barely afford to eat (nothing significant enough to get them into trouble). For me it makes the difference between starving and not starving. I am aware it isn't right.

How in the world do you do that?  Something you learned while in an OOBE?

I've never done this, most travel I've done it downstairs in my APT the door, around my pool there and then right outside of the APT entrance on the street.....just walked (maybe floated, I don't remember "stepping" come to think of it) also don't recall if I opened doors or went through them...wierd, you would think you would be aware of those things....

anyways I've only had about 5 experiences and I want to visit my GF on my next one....I know what the place looks like that she is staying at (her parents right now for the holdays, I've been there about 3 times)

anyways I want to teleport there by thinking it....I need advice....do I just think about her and being close to her and A.) close my eyes and open them, or B.) leave them open?

Any other advice for my first attempt at this, or is it just pathetically easy to do for a newbie too?

Thanks in advance!

[1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a:   I don't think so, unless two old sweet ladies I've also had in a NON-LUCID dream a few day prior to AP'ing for the first time counts...

1.1 - If so, describe the place:  Right outside my APT entrance across the small alley street there
       what were they like: ...not sure if they are beings or just constructs of my mind.  In the non lucid dream I was saving them (hiding them) from at attacking bear...a few days later I AP'd for the first time (spontaneous, up against my ceiling, only lasted a few seconds) then I see them in my 4-5 conscious AP (woke up totally relaxed and did roll-out that time) (last AP so far).....
       what have you learned from them: Nothing yet....they felt very sweet and nice though.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: nothing yet, but astronomy really interests me so that is a goal for me if I can manage to project again, it's been more then a week and no luck yet...

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: the ONLY conversation I had was asking these old ladies to stay where they were right before waking up and running outside like an idiot (I woke up completely aware and ending my request speaking out-loud in my room/physical body, got up, ran outside)
I said "would you mind waiting here for 5min, I'm having a strange dream that I can see you both and I want to come and check and see if it's true" or something silly like that
One of the old ladies turned (I think they were picking berries even though there is no berry bush anywhere near my APT) and said "Ohhhh...we get that all the time!"

4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
     Nothing amazing yet....I'm still very new at this, but so far I saw a cd shelf in my room, really sloppy looking one where my correct one should be....after my second AP of not seeing myself in bed, I finally did....and the first AP in which I first my room, quickly reverted into a half-lucid crazy dream of sirens and guards chasing me in my apt which suddenly became this huge square shaped, multi-level building...

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a:  I tried to read cds on my shelf and tried to remember the left most one for when I woke up to verify....but it was all nonsense, looked handwritten and can't remember it....

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a: not yet. Or I don't remember the words on the imaginary cd.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a: Well....no, but I tried walking over the water in my pool outside my apt and promptly fell in it...it was awesome, I was laughing and I could feel all the *good things about the coolness of the water, and non of the frigid shock/annoyances of it happening, I climbed out then held my hand out and FROZE the water, then walked over it.  Wow that was cool, my only use of "power" so far.......

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a:  Not that I'm aware of yet.  Only had about 5 of these so far. (in a 3 day period)

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
My body!  And my apt outside was gorgeous, I can't even put words to it...it was in the morning and it was VIBRANT and just....wow...I could stare at the wall for an hour and be happy probably, but I had a feeling it wouldn't last so I sorta rushed the experience....

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
Froze the water in my pool then walked over it...wow what a rush....

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
the CD validation failed and I laid a warranty card for a product out to read a sentence from the next time, and it WASN'T there when I projected at all....SO fair, I haven't had validation, although seeing myself sleeping was amazing anyways....

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a:  first couple times projecting I was blind, rolled back into body, re-rolled....had 50% vision in my left eye once, blind in my right, re-rolled again, it was fixed...I also hear moving away from your physical body helps, haven't tried that yet....last couple AP's I've had full vision....

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
Only one so far, the old lady turning and saying  "ohhhh we get that all the time"  Still trying to figure out if there is some deeper meaning in that....wish I knew.

14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
Only 3?
- Go into space, specifically to start out, just watch the earth below me....WOW gonna do this ASAP if I'm able to!
- Visit my GF and then call her in the morning and see if I'm accurate about what she is wearing or doing at the time....
- Create a Samurai/Ninja scenario and take part in it (a huge hobby interest of mine...) 
IS THIS POSSIBLE WITHOUT ATTRACTING NEGS?

12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a:  I've always had faith in God and a 'soul'/spiritual life, but now I have emperical proof, the moment I validate it to myself...wow I'm gonna really be amazed...even more then I am now.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:  I'm a Christian, not in the orthodox sense, but in the Universalist sense, and I believe in the inescapable love of God, now it just seems the universe is much larger and capable of sharing/bonding with those inside of it.  I have no plans to project to God or talk to any angelic beings, because I'm still a bit cautious about all of this....the thought of a "spirit guide" sorta freaks me out, because I'm not confident I would know a GOOD from an EVIL spirit guide this early into my explorations or that there are truly good ones at all, but we'll see what happens...

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a:  No I haven't, I believe the Bible gives a lot of information on the process, but I believe it's far from a complete account.


This was fun, let's have more of these types of posts!  Has anyone floated above the earth yet and watched it from space?  What is the easiest way of making this happen for a beginner not versed in flight at all yet? 

CFtraveler,

Thanks.  Also, I've noticed in the last couple days I've had no dreams I remember or projections, etc...although I have felt more sensations before sleeping then ever before (whole body tingling, vs. patches of tingling, sound of running water [like a river] out of my left ear, occasional jerks of my lower legs/feet)

Is it normal after having a couple days of pretty cool experiences to just have DUD experiences where nothing is remembered or do I need to change something drastic?  Keep in mind I'm trying to achieve only my 5-6th projection now so I'm still very much a newbie....but I was enjoying 3-5 projections a week....(getting spoiled, lol) I just don't want to lose momentum, but if this is normal, then that's cool, I'll just be patient.

Thanks.

For me, floating is something I have to do, like walking. If I don't focus on floating, I stand there as well. But when I do walk while out, it feels and more like walking on the moon -- very bouncy and light with very little gravity.

Its pretty common to reach the stage to project and then do it multiple times in one instance, like you described. And rolling out is usually how I exit as well.

As for the ladies, the fact that they were aware enough to understand what you meant, makes me think they were probably real entities and not dream characters, although there isn't enough info to make a good determination. Next time you see them, ask them their names and what they are doing there. Often you can find out information from them and then research it when back in the physical and confirm your experiences. For me, I can sometimes tell by the way someone looks while out. Dream characters have a different look and feel to them than real entities. But I'm not sure how to explain it.

thanks so much for the reply!  One more quickie:  what can I do to improve my memory recall WHILE I'm IN THE OOBE STATE?  I'm aware of techniques while awake (journal, affirmations, etc) just wondering if I can concentrate or do something in the dream which improves memory retention when I wake up.

thanks again!

i have schizophrenia and i have been having OBE's since i was a teenager. i don't know if it's related. the problem is, it just happens and i never force it. i don't know much about OBE's, but i do know when i wake up and i've had one. i remember while OBE-ing that i was walking down the street near my house and i opened up my eyes and thought, hold on, how can i be here when i'm actually asleep in my bed? i freaked out and tried to run home then i woke up and thought... WOAH. freaked me out the first time. but now i can fly so high in the sky...even though i'm not really good at flying, once i flew all the way up into the sky and there were planes up there and i thought hold on, this isn't a good idea to be flying this high up....so i made it back down safely.

also, another time i flew through my window and on to the roof and was just sitting up there resting. it was great! so now i love having OBE's, but i always wake up cold because i've been out of my body for so long during the night. anyway, what i'm saying is yes, you can have OBE's when you have schiz.

Isn't everything you just explained exampled of a LUCID DREAM and not neccessarily a OOBE or ASTRAL Projection?  I'm very new to all of this  (I'm working on having my 4/5th oobe experience tonight if all goes well, rollover techniques been working awesome for me...) but I used to have LUCID DREAMS and just jumped through my windows and started FLYING etc....but if was different then these recent OOBE's I'm having, with my most recent ones yesterday (I went in and out of my body 3 times!) I was able to see my body two of those times sleeping in bed, the third time I was 75% blind  ( I could see 50% out of my left eyes only after demanding that I have "CLEAR VISION"....that was the 2nd attempt to, not the first one that night.....WIERD...

Any thoughts? 

What does it mean when you roll out of your body (this is my second/third time ever) so things are pretty fuzzy....anyways....what does it mean when you jump and you do NOT FLOAT....I know I was not physically standing there because I could see my body in my bed!  also some of the things in my desk were not in the right order...a particular card I left on the desk to test this experience wasn't there at all!

also on my fourth and last time after that experience (using the rollover technique, which seems to work great...) I spoke with two old nice ladies outside of my apartment and asked them to wait 5min so I could wake up and see if they were there, the the lady said "Oh we get asked that all the time" and they both nodded.....it was cool.....they looked like they were picking berries or something right across the st....of course they were NOT there when I ran outside imeediately after waking up...lol....

were they figmants/dream characters, or something more "real"?  anyway to test next time?

I have a lot more details to share, but I'll be patient and wait for these answers if anyone would be so kind.  thanks in advance!