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Hello all- some of you may remember me from a while back, some not. Anyway, for the past year I've really been taking extreme interest in the state of mind when I am falling asleep. 3 times a day, I try to take a 30 minute nap, regulated by an alarm. I know that there must be one specific point/sign from when normal, rambling thoughts stop going through my mind, and the dream process begins. It's so amazing to me, to be thinking consistantly, with full concoiusness, then crossing to the pre-dream state and not realizing that my free will thoughts have been silenced by hypnotising hypnognia. (sp?) Has anyone else attempted to come to terms with this state? Just curious.

OK- I will appologize in advance for the length of this, but I have to tell my buddies at AP cuz I've told everyone else in my life. This is the single most incredible thing that has ever happened to me. So this past January I started on my 'spiritual journey'. I have been reading and reading and reading, meditating, keeping track of dreams, learning my egos, listening to my intuition. Right at the end of this past July, I had the most incredible dream of my lifetime, even better than the 1 and only lucid dream I have had. A little bit of info on me first; I live in California now, and was planning my first trip back East to Massachusettes since I'd left 2 years ago. At this point I am still with my now ex-girlfriend of almost 3 years, and we had been really "on the rocks" for the past year. I knew both of us wanted to end the relationship for some time, but we were really comfortable with our situation, plus we moved out here to Cali together 2 years ago. OK, so here we go with the DREAM: I was backyard at my old rubgy house from college in Massachusettes.  I was with Milla Jovovich (who is a famous model/actress) and we were completely in the deepest LOVE that I have ever experienced, in real life or a dream.  We were holding each other, just staring into each others eyes, kissing and hugging, but nothing more than that. We were just totally in love, beyond anything else. We had gone inside the house, I had made her something to eat. It was a burrito, I remember cutting the peppers, putting the cheese on- every single part of this dream, which lasted about 3 hours, was in the most complete and vivid detail, more so than anything that I have ever experienced, even more so than in real life. I will say it one more time just to let you know that LOVE was what this dream was all about. :END DREAM
This dream had dramatically affected my attitude! I woke up and was almost estatic for the next week! I felt that I had experienced the deepest love for another human being that was ever possible, and it was sticking with me. OK now- remember how I had told you about me taking a trip to Massachusetts? Well the night before I had that dream, I had confirmed my plane reservations and sent an email to some of my old friends back east to let them know when I would be back. Well, they had forwarded that email to several other people, some of whom I hadn't talked to in years. So when I checked my email the next day, I had a bunch of emails from tons of people who I hadn't talked to in ages. One of them, was this girl who I knew from college, but we were never close friends. Her name is Christina. I was shocked to see and email from her- we hadn't talked in over 4 years and we didn't know each other well at all back then. So I replied, and she replied, and we got to talking. Emails turned to phone calls, and the time was coming when I was going to fly back east, in about a week. Just by our conversations, we both new that there was something there, something really really big. I was lying in my bed one night, meditating and it hit me over the head like a tons of bricks!!! The DREAM!! It wasn't about Milla Jovovich, it was about Christina! I jumped out of bed and almost wet myself! It made so much sense! I was in love with her! So this realization gave me the courage to end my then-current relationship, which actually ended on a good note and we had both agreed it was for the best. The time came for me to go to Massachusettes, to see, among other people, Christina. Well I went, and I'll tell you what, that dream I had, as amazing as it was, had NOTHING on what it was like when I was with Christina in person!! It was so totally amazing, words cannot describe it. We fell so so so deeply in love with each other, I swear that before now I didn't even know what the word "love" meant, although I though I had. She feels the same way, and we both agree that we are solemates, who by some off chance and random set of coincidences found each other 3200 miles apart. Well now I know your thinking "she's in Mass and your in Cali" well, not for long, cuz she's going to be moving here in just a few months, to be with me, so we can start our life together. My dear friends, I hope beyond hope that all of you will one day, even for at least one minute, feel the tremendous amount of love that fills my heart every single second of the day, and grows stronger and stronger and stonger. I will forever be greatful for whoever allowed me to have that dream, cuz it was for sure a glimpse into the future- the girl, the love, Massachusettes, it was all there. Love and light to all of you- Bhikku

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

Hello to all you beautiful people!

OK a little preview to this: II have never had a lucid dream or a coincious OBE in my life. I had read somewhere that the easiest way to become lucid in a dream is to do "reality checks" throughout the day; like always ask yourself "am I dreaming?" Well I had done that for 2 months to no avail, so about 2 weeks ago I started to try something different. Several times a day, I look at the rings on my hands. I wear a sliver band on my left hand thumb and another silver band on my right hand pinky finger. What I do is just look at them back and forth for a few seconds, and think "am I dreaming?" And I do this about 20 times a day/

So Saturday night I having this dream where I am talking with 2 random guys who I don't know in real life but in the dream they were my friends. One guy was talking about how he wanted to see what Jesus looked like and the other guy was telling him how it didn't matter, but it was his message that was important. Anyway- so we all leave each other and I'm walking along what kind of resembles the board walk down here in Pacific Beach where I live, along the ocean. It was a beach with people all around. I'm looking out to the water and I notice what looks like a military helicopter flying parallel with the shore, but a few hundred feet out. As it gets closer, I see that it has no propellers and doesn't really look like a helicopter, but more like a big piece of machinery flying throught the air. As it passes me, it crashes into the water with a huge splash. As the spash dissapates, I see about 5-10 military tanks coming from the splash towards the shore. It's really hard to explain, but that "flying thing" was all the tanks put together, and when it crashed they split up- I dont' know if this makes sense at all so sorry if it doesn't.

So at this point I can tell the dream is about to get scary cuz these tanks are coming toward me. At the same time I wonder why this whole scene taking place seems to be nothing strange to anyone else who is around. Then, blessed be, I looked down at my rings on my hand! I look at my left hand, and the rings are there, but instead of the 1 that I wear on my thumb there are about 3-4 rings and they are all "fluid" and moving around. At that second I knew more than anything else I was dreaming! I knew it and it was like a rush of realization that hit me and it made me so happy I can't explain it.
So- I look at the tanks which are about 20 feet and closing on me, I smile and think to myself "I have never in my life flown in a dream before" I look up at the sky and jump straight up, about 50-100 feet in the air and it was the craziest yet best feeling in the world! Words can't describe it. So I look down at the scene, the people, the tanks, and everyone is looking at me with mouth gaping awe. I'm stopped in the air about 50 feet up and I begin to lose the lucidity- it's was kinda like I was slipping back into the dream without control, but I ended up waking up and it was 6am yesterday morning. I was so friggin excited I jumped out of bed and kept replaying over and over in my head for a few hours. I still can't believe it- I can for sure say that it was the best feeling of my whole life.

Like I mentioned before, I have never had a LD and so I never persued having one, I have only been studying towards OBE's. What is a good technique to either stay lucid for a longer duration, or the change an LD to an OBE? Thanks to all just for reading this, it brings me so much joy to share this with all of you.


"Look within, thou art the Budda"

Hello all- I haven't posted in a while, but I hope everyone is well. The reason for this post is over the past few weeks I have been getting "lessons" during my sleep. The first one, obscure as it may seem, I understand. One night I was shown that cats are equally aware of the 5th dimention as the physical, at all times. Last night I got a much more obscure message, and I hope someone has some insight into this. The following is my experience, which I shared with a friend via email:
-(regular dream here) -OK so then I go into a clearer dream,
where I'm told this: Your going to be show something now, your going to be
shown something by a guide (not YOUR guide, but A guide) about the darker
side. Now I didn't hear this, just knew it. Anyway, so I'm in the livingroom
of the house I grew up in which has this huge picture window. Outside the
window I see a woman sitting down facing away from me, wearing a berka (one of those things that Arab women wear), it was all black and her head was wrapped, but she was not facing me. So I go to the window and start pounding on it to get her attention but she won't look at me. So then I flip her off (I wasn't really controlling this, it was like a dream) yes, I flip her the
bird and she turns and looks at me all shocked. Her face was really pretty
and not scary and she has red lipstick on. So then I just smile and wave at
her, then it gets kind of wierd. She asks without talking if I'm ready, but
I say I have to go the bathroom first. So I wake up, and am all excited,
trying to remember all this so I wouldn't forget, but then I realized that I did have to go the bathroom really bad. I went the bathroom and tried to keep "sleepy" so I could go back to sleep right away. So I did fall right back asleep, and I go right back to my old living room again. So I see the woman, and OK, I really dont' understand this message, but this is what it was.
"Higher orgasm is motivation for most evils" Let me repeat, HIGHER ORGASM is the motivation for most evils.

Now I'm sure this was not "just a dream" or I wouldn't have posted it. I KNOW these were messages of some sort. I dont' expect anyone to know why I recieved these messages, but want to know if anyone has ever heard of a "Higher orgasm" cuz I certainly haven't. Thanks.

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Hello everyone- I've gotten some sad news recently from back home- my cat of 14 years has passed away. Now I know I'm 24 and shouldn't be as upset as I was about his, but this cat was the greatest. He was one of my best friends since I was 10 years old. I'm upset because I live on the other side of the country as my mother who had the cat, so I couldn't say good bye to him, and would like to see him again if possible in the Astral. Has anyone ever seen a past pet in the Astral? What, in your opinions, happends to pets after they die? Thanks for your imput.

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OK so I was surfing the net and came across articles written on a type of shamanistic plant that is called Salvia Divinorum. All I know about it is it's illeagal only in Austraila, and not much research has been done on it. Now I'm not a druggie or anything, but I saw silimlarites too close not to notice in this article. This is a text of this one mans experience, tell me what you make of it and how it relates to Astral Travel:
"The Experience: I sat down in a comfortable position with my head propped up and my hands folded.  M filled the pipe (a cheap cannabis pipe) to the brim with Salvia. I found myself a bit nervous...the same feeling one would feel before a carnival ride he/she has never been on. M then lit the pipe and administered the first hit to me.  I held it in for a good 20 seconds. Nothing much of a cannabis buzz happened for the first three hits.  I signaled for a 4th hit.  I held that in for a while, and then laid my head back.  All of a sudden I fell into an amnesic dream.  I was thinking to myself...that's weird nothing happened.  That's it?  That's what Salvia is like?  I don't feel a thing!  Wait a minute.  I'm dreaming, but I'm not asleep!  Here's how I described it to a friend:
"Imagine you are on this futuristic roller coaster right before it takes off.  You hear a voice that says "Get Ready...you are about to be catapulted off into the ride of your life" and then BANG...you have no idea what just happened.  You seemed to have dozed off right after the bang, but you're not sleeping.  You then think to yourself am I in an amusement park?  Wait, I went on the roller coaster and I heard this voice tell me I am about to be catapulted into the ride of my life, or something.  I don't remember anything after hearing that voice.  Is THIS it???  It can't be...it seems so...familiar.  Normal.  I've done this a thousand times before I was old enough to retain memories.  Wait...is that...I'm sleeping...who is that...this is so simple...I understand perfectly...things are always the same...".
After smoking Salvia, I felt some sort of amnesia. I was not quite sure what happened after the 3rd or 4th hit.  I then realized something...this WAS the trip.  It was like I fell asleep for 10 years after the 3rd hit, then right before I woke up, time traveled back 10 years and I woke up immediately after taking that hit.
During the moments after I felt like I had done this a hundred times before.  I felt like I was in a scene from my childhood...almost as if I had smoked Salvia as a child and was feeling something in the present. I felt (note, I didn't see any of this, it was purely a feeling) like I was 8 years old, in a park around my house in a swing during the middle of a summer day.  After I got this feeling, the feeling of the park transformed into where I was -- the beach at present age.  I then began to see (through closed eyelids) what looked like a ranch in Mexico.  I then *felt* that I was in the desert southwest, looking into this ranch.  Through closed eyelids, I saw the beach I was on, but then a few yards away, the beach sand ended and the ranch/desert began.  In the ranch, I thought I saw a beautiful Mexican lady, but I could be wrong. I then felt I was on an Indian reservation, with some Indians.  I felt the feeling of the "peyoteros".  I then felt the ranch/desert/reservation drift away, not in a normal fashion, but around my body in a 360 degree turn around my body.  I then felt a closeness with the aura of it all.  I got the feeling that Salvia was just one of a whole library of psychedelics just waiting to be used.  I then felt "normal" again and lied there still for a few moments, with my eyes closed.  M had wondered off and I heard him in the distance. I then heard footsteps come behind the umbrellas, and then around them.  I felt the presence of some old, yet beautiful man (could have been a woman) sprinkle some dust on me.  I didn't feel the dust, but I felt something mentally.  I then opened my eyes.  If you have seen the movie "Contact", I felt exactly like what happened to Jodie Foster as she crashed onto the beach after being transported in that machine.  Also, the scene afterward where she comes back to earth, yet still feeling she was on that beach. BTW, this was about 5-10 minutes after I had smoked that last hit. I sat up and walked off to the edge of the beach.  I was left with a sort of knowingness.  I realized many things at this point after the experience.  I would call THIS the best part of the trip.  The theories I had come up with the days before seemed to make sense.  EVERYTHING seemed to make total sense.  I thought about the world I live in.  That didn't make sense. Commercialism, money, business, finance, government...that made no sense.  I realized that things such as fear (such of that of ghosts), jealousy, anxiety, stress, fright...these were things that are human.  These things are built into the human mind to act as hurdles that we must jump.  She said that things such as fundamentalist religion and science were parts of this "human" quality. None of these "human" things made sense.  I realized that in the afterworld (or whatever), these things are no longer present. The human brain acts as a filter for our soul.  We can not directly experience the things our soul feels, so it gets filtered through our brain.  This filter adds things such as fear and hate to the things that our soul feels.  I felt like that filter had been removed for a while. This could technically be called losing your mind, though it had nothing to do with sanity.  I repeated to myself "If only they knew".  I had the feeling of having gone to heaven.  I was also shown the goodness of psychedelic drugs.  She told me that she had many, many "friends"...many of them haven't been discovered yet.  I walked back to the umbrellas to M.  He asked me how it was.  I just sat there silent, meditative.  I told him "I can't tell you what this is".  I had no sense of shock.  I had no sense of WOW, no sense of surprise.  It was just a sense of knowingness, understanding, calmness, peace.  I remained silent for the whole "afterglow" period.  Now, I look at things a different way.  Salvia is definitely a "teacher" plant.  I now look upon her (and her friends) very seriously and in the utmost respect."


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Just a suggestion here- would an "Off-Topic" catagory be inaproprite on this website? I think that it would be a good way for memebers to get to know one another outside of the topic of metaphysics. I have no idea what kind of server space is avalible, but just and idea...

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Hello to all. I have been taking a course on another website, and I do believe that they have their own "dogma" to a certain extent. They say that sharing dreams (I mean, talking about dreams with other people)is not a good idea. They say the reason for this is that there are certain messages in dreams, which I believe to be true, but those messages are for you alone, and talking about them with others could end in not having dreams. Almost like the dreams are a secret message, and if you share the secret, you won't be given any more messages. The reason this concerns me is because ever since I started practicing AP's I have had a partner who started out with me, and we help each other and share everything. Is telling my friend about my dreams not a good idea? I believe Astral Pulse to be of the highest possible word on all matters relating to metaphysics. Thanks to all.

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I know about ASP but was wondering: Sometimes when I'm dreaming, suddenly I cannot yell, talk, move, see, etc-not all at once nessisarily. I usually spontaniously notice ASP in my physical body as well. Is this a form of psychic attack? Albeit a rather low form of an attack- and if so, what is the proper way to prevent/stop this? I've heard certain mantras will work  but have not been able to try. Thanks.

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Hello all- I've been practicing NEW and the trance exercises from Roberts book and last night I believe that I reached a really good trace state, using the "downward elevator" technique. I could feel warm waves washing over me, and they seemed to make me really sleepy when they did, but it felt really good. A few moments later I noticed something strange happening. It felt like my shoulders were warbling/ moving back and forth really rapidly, but not my physical shoulders. I haven't personally ever felt vibrations during my exercises, but could have this been what I was feeling? Also, I sensed that there were 2 people sitting next to me, both men, wearing black with black hair and one had a goatee and glasses. I'm not sure but I may have been half asleep and dreaming. Thanks for any input you have.

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OK this is a bit hard for me to explain but here it goes. This weekend I went snowboarding for the first time in a few years. This is something that I love to do, and used to teach and compete in the sport for years. So when I went this weekend, it was like putting a fish back in water. I was so happy and excited to be doing it again, but I noticed something really strange. Since it was snowing the whole time and there was heavy cloud cover, everything was a consistant white- the sky, the ground, everything looked the same. What I noticed was as I started going down the trails, I started seeing bluish/whitish "sparks" circling and moving rapidly through my vision. These were not physically there, and I could definitly tell them apart from the falling snow. They seemed almost like the "stars" you see if you were to bang your head on something, they also did not impair my vision in any way. I didn't notice them at all while riding on the ski lifts, or while standing at the bottom of the mountain, only while riding. It almost seems like they were influenced by my level of excitement/ exhileration. Any idea of what this was that I was seeing? Was it my own energy/aura? Thanks.

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When I first started reading about astral travel, I realized that I had been seeing through my closed eyes since I was a kid, while attempting to sleep. Now I'm pretty sure that this is my astral sight coming into play, but is this of any importance? I know that my body is still awake during this point, so I don't think I can actully project from this state. Is there any relevence here?

"Look within, thou art the Budda"

I'd like some TK tips for a beginner, if you don't mind, or some links. Thanks.

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

You my friend, are becoming more aware. Feels good huh?

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

I am getting really good at seeing and realizing the hypnatic images when falling asleep. Like before mentioned, I see shapes, colors and most recently writing that makes no sense. It's like I'm reading someones writing in a book, and I'm reading it fast, and I'm sure it's english, but the none of the words make sense. It's almost like they make sense to some other part of me, but not the waking conciousness that I'm seeing them with. Sometimes I can tell when I'm falling deeper into this state, and almost feel like I'm dreaming, and try to become lucid but I can't. BTW this gets mixed with my seeing through closed eyes sometimes too, so it's really confusing.

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

It happens to me a lot. When I stuggle to see in the dream I usually end up opening my eyes in the physical.

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

AMCturbo- wow that's great! I don't have any more explation on the cat lesson, but you obviously seem to understand it perfectly!

Leyla- I got your email and am waiting on your reponse....

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

I was just about to post a topic similar to this! This is what happens to me: I'll be waking in the morning, coming out of a dream. I'll hit my snooze button and lie on my back, and attempt not nessicarily to project, but just to observe my state of conciousness. What has happended several times is that I fall back into a dream, even though I'm awake with my eyes open! And I say it in my head "I'm awake and dreaming right now! How can this be?" Has this happened to anyone else?

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

Very interesting Patty! Please, PM me the link! Thanks!

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

Here's what I do- use your breathing as a base, breath in deep and count 1-2-3 in your head, exhale and think of nothing, then repeat. I do this over and over so the counting and breathing cancels out all other thoughs. Once you master that, leave out the counting and only think of the breathing, then from there try for the "nothing". Hope that helps!

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

I've had that happen to me on EXTASY (I no longer do that, it's very bad) but some drugs do make it easier to exit, and some just send you right out unwillingly! (ketamine, salvia divinorum) Be careful and remember, anything you can do with drugs you can do without them!

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

Hello Gandalf (love your name!) My first projection attempt that same thing happended to me, but this was a few months ago. I have tried again to do it but I always remember that horrible fear that I felt the first time, and it's like a wall inside me I can't get around, this may be the same type of wall inside you causing you to be exhausted. I think the best idea is to do it again, and go through with it all the way. The only way to beat fear is to face it. Just know that, no matter who scared you get, it will pass, and you will be OK. Make a big sign on your wall if you have to saying "I will be OK no matter what!" Hope that helps.

"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not understand"

1. 24 male
2. Been trying for a few months, haven't had a OBE that I know of yet but had my first LD the other night!
3. The ideas put forth by RB make the most sense of anything I've ever heard

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I can relate- the first time I tried projecting it was happening what I though was TOO easily, and it scared me so bad I haven't been able to do it again, even though I try to. The more you do it the less impact the "scaryness" will have, until your used to it, and then it no longer exists. It's like watching a scary movie, the first time it really scares the crap out of you, but if you watch it 20 times it's not scary anymore. Good luck!

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I am an artist so I do that a lot in my spare time-I'm always working on new pieces, I'm gonna post some for you guys to see soon. I LOVE modifying my car- Alpha I hear you on the Rally Cross- it rules! Nascar(redneck-go-round) IMO stinks-
I LOVE swimming in the ocean, boogieboarding and surfing, snowboarding in the winter, going out to eat with my girlfriend, seeing movies, and reading books. I go running and work out every day, also I play rugby, golf, and horseshoes at the beach. The beach is the best!

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