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So you all know that technique where you put a card on a high shelf without looking at it. Then you astrally project and go look at it to try and verify your actually remote viewing.

I'm just curious, has there ever been any research done in an institution on this experiment, or another experiment like it, that has proven it actually is real?

I'm not asking because of personal doubts, I am just curious if any such research has come out of any institutions.

ya its like it increases your extra sensory perception, but at the same time it increase your physical perception... so its like, you feel the astral very strongly, but you also feel the physical stronger so it holds you back

One thing though, when I smoke weed regulary my ability to project, sober, or after it wears off goes up quite a bit... i think the weed may just exercise and stengthe all your perceptions, but you gotta wait till the weed wears off to use those perceptions for something other than what the weed wants you to do

I dont know if its always done this, or if Im just aware enough to now notice it, but cannabis seems to put me into a full vibratory state. As in, im sitting there and can feel the full vibrations going through my body, very typical in feeing to when I attempt to leave my body.

The weird thing though is... in this state, my ability to feel the astral becomes very apparent. Like I can travel to differet astral places and feel the change. But I don't see it. It's like I'm projecting, but, I'm still firmly held in the body and the 5 senses are still turned on full. Like, I see the walls of my room, but I don't spatially feel them, I spatially feel another place in the astral.

does cannabis do this to anyone else?

another question though, if it does, do you find you can actually get out of your body easier in this state? Because despite being in a full vibratory state, I find I can never get out while high, it has to wear off a bit...

you have to realize that it is not you opening it
but rather something else which allowing you to see

This doesn't surprise me at all. I honestly expected this, just never thought to stick a photo of a synapse and universe side by side.
I've long believed our conciousness is merely a shrunken down emulation of the entire universe contained within our skulls.

hm maybe that is bad wording...

just saying, maybe gravity doesn't need a counterforce against it, but rather maybe theres a way to just get out of gravity entirely

if you go off the quantum theory that gravity is a flow of gravitons, particles, this means the effect of gravity is caused by other particles, or forms of energy, choosing to interact with, or are innately bound with, the graviton at some subatomic level. Certainly there is already many forms of particle and energy already free from this interaction with graviton flows, maybe it's possible with the right mix of whatever, I dunno, to willingly get other things out of the innate or chosen interaction with graviton flows.

but I would also agree its hogwash in the sense that, its merely a thought, I don't expect to be making a functional flying saucer anytime soon off this thought... unless I just so happen to run across some mineral or stone that has some strong reaction to any little psychic ability I have

fear attracts more fear

i dunno, recognize the light, it is always there

So I just felt the need to type this somewhere. I don't know if anyone will really care or whatnot. But have you ever heard stories of people who see ancient structures or technology like the pyramids and then have an innate understanding of it's functionality?

Well I came across this diagram of the various saucer shapes and like, I know how these work.


The UFO saucer is to the spiritual energy flow of the body as a trumpet is to the air flow of the body. The saucer is made of a special type of metal, of special properties, it is embedded with special types of crystals or stones to essentially route and utilize the flow of the human spiritual energy system to produce an end result. Such as bending some sub-quantum principle of energetic reaction to produce a bubble of gravity-less reality for flying, or dimensionally boundary-less reality for hyper spatial teleportation. There is no engine in these saucers, the human, the pilot is the energy source. There is no advanced circuitry or electronics in these saucers, they are merely like wind instruments only instead of routing air, they route a hyperdimensional or spiritual energy. The entire technology and functionality of the saucer is depedent on the shape, curvature and density of the metals to properly attune the energy flowing through it, just how a trumpet or any wind instruments entire functionality is dependent on the shape and routing of the air flow. Thats all the saucer is. It's merely a tool to aid in the routing and perhaps amplification of naturally produced human spiritual energy.

It seems to me right now everyone is developing the energetic circulation and chakra flow to just maintain peace of mind and tranquility and health. But it seems to me it's possible to find metals, stones, crystals that harmonize with the frequency of this energetic system. Then by playing around with various shapes, structures, arrangements of crystal or stone or metal, you could produce a material object that will respond to the psychic spiritual energy system. Perhaps even construct a whole saucer out of this stuff to route the energetic flow to rip a tear in the earthbound flow of the gravitron and actually make a flying saucer. And when you did this, it would just fly around with a high pitched buzz and nothing more, because it literally would be nothing more then an extremely high vibration of non-physical energy running along the entire surface of the thing.

In terms of raising the kundalini energy.

couple tabs of good LSD is like sticking your butt in an astral energy socket. It's like kundalini electrocution. You HAVE to go into yogic poses just to withstand the energy.

But... I mean, be prepared if you do it. The first time this happened to me it took well over a month to fully recover and come to grips with all the changes it caused.

Of course though, LSD doesn't do this to everyone. But if your already versed in kundalini, some sensations of it, know the meditations and want to experience it fully. I have little doubt that LSD will be the thing that lets it all flow.


And on the subject of pot. I find that in terms of astral work. It only ever aided me when I ate it. Whenever I smoked it the effect was just too immediate, too jarring, too 'im high' to let me relax and really drift out. Eating it though. Come up nice and smooth and you can get REALLY REALLY high if you eat it without having your heart beat like crazy and be distracting. Which is a major issue with meditations and smoking weed for me, makes the heart beat to a distracting level.

hey, y'all... i'm back with another question for you... i dunno.. maybe trying to support my " there's no present" idea..

what i know is there was a mathematician who said that every distance has  a half, right? or smth close to that...  i forgot his name, sorry... 5 is the half of 10, 2.5 is the half of 5, so forth and so on...

now.. what i want to know is: if you divide 1 by 2 .. that's 0.5 ... divide 0.5 that's 0.25 ... and so on .. hehe.. will it ever stop? i mean... will it ever be pure 0 or smth like that?

as you may have noticed i'm not quite good at maths... so that's why i'm askin you...

cheers

Once your brain grasps the concept of infinity outside the metaphor of mathematics you enter a new dimension of conscious existence which... mathematics is no longer useful in. Which is why no ones managed to bring it back to math. Math is not a large enough metaphor to hold full comprehension of infinity. If something can explain infinity to you accurately enough, you will feel a conscious shift, a new feeling.

The concept of infinity in math is merely a map to a next step. The next step doesn't come back to the first step, it will always stay next. What you do in the 'next' the state of infinite consciousness? Well some come up with prophecies, others come up with art or music, poems. Books. Pretty much the infinite consciousness can only come back in creativity. Of course though, that begs the question 'creative mathematics'? I dunno....

Hey rygoody,

i'm not sure that magnetism as we currently understand it can explain gravity, as magnatism has very specific effects on only specific local materials/particles. The graviton is also only one hypothesis of gravity, but with all things in QM, there is no such thing as an absolute particle due to wave-particle duality. We can find remnants of energy which suggest the big bang, but nothing is still flowing from the big bang itself. At the point of the big bang, no matter existed, and forces (and energies) as we know them now (including magnetism) either didn't exist or behaved differently than they do now.

Regarding Magnetoencephalography (MEG), this technology simply detects the magentic fields produced by electrical activity in the brain i.e. focused will is the result of the activity rather than the cause. All electrical activity causes a magentic field (electromagnetism). Findings produced by MEG are challenging our views of consciousness and are progressively explaining how consciousness (as we understand it) could arise from the brain alone.

Well I think conciousness does arise from the brain alone. I mean matter may not seem like it can account for it all. But don't forget matter is composed of quantum particles which are infinite. Matter is only bounded until you go small enough, or rather, sensitive enough.

However, I wasn't reffering to magnetism so much in terms of magnets. Just the overall law of, positive attracts to negative.

Which I bring up because, the original notion of gravity that, mass sucked things towards it. I wasn't so sure about this.

But then the graviton, that gravity is a particle flow. That it's a causal force pushing the earth together. I didn't so much like this one either cause, I believe the universe is largely associative, or drawing to a point. That its not just the mere cause of accidental occurance.

So then I pondered, maybe all the gravitons are flowing to a magnetic pull? That the mass of the earth is just associative to its positive center? Then I wondered, where else could you apply a magnetic model. Because it does seem like everything could be unified under magnetic models and if your going to take manifestations of nature as any insight into the functionings of the greater cosmos. I think magnets are something not to be overlooked.

What you guys reach with chakras? really, not being ironic...do you feel different, is your life different due to chakkra stimulation?

thanks

If you consider all of life a metaphor, which it is, consider any metaphor can fit the slot.

Really, any and everything you experience never leaves the realm of 'synapses in your brain'. Really, it's always just synapses firing off stimuli of metaphors in -reality-. Which when I say metaphor and that all of life is a metaphor, I mean that literally and to an extreme sense. Every light impulse your eyes take in is just a metaphor for -it-. Every vibration your ears perceive are just a metaphor for -it-. Every action or process you carry out is just a metaphor for -it-. What -it- is, it's the great euphemism for life. It's the firing of your synapses to produce ecstatic, fun, joy.

Now under the guise that everything is a metaphor consider for a moment. That even your job to attain wealth, relaxation, warmth, nourishment, in itself is a metaphor. That your significant other is yet another metaphor. Your loved one is not /literally/ love, it is literally firing the synapses of your brain, your loved one is just a very powerful metaphor for those firing of synapses. One that can fire them so damn well, so efficiently and of the same manner each time many people just call their significant other /love/, but in the most broken down sense, the loved one is still a metaphor for love. Everything is a metaphor for the great euphemism of life.

Metaphor, all reality is a metaphor and it is metaphor that controls everything you perceive.

So under this guise. What are chakra points? They are yet another metaphor, a great euphemism for life. But one I choose to use and incorporate into myself over all the other metaphors because. Within the metaphor of chakra points you have everything you need right there. Ground, support, base chakra, up to pure love, green chakra, up to mystical insight and wisdom, brow chakra. Plus all the other ones inbetween, then also, your connection to 'higher' on the top of your head.

Now some people go around making physiological charts of endogenous glands of the body, or doing some other justification. For me, the justification is merely that, the metaphor works. Which may sound absurd, "how can focusing on colors and energies in your body just work?". Well I would ask, considering that when you get right down to the basics, it's all just synapses firing in your brain, how is someone going to a job, someone skydiving etc. Any less of a metaphor for the great euphemism of life than chakras?

It's all just synapses firing. The difference being is, I've wired the synapses in my brain in a certain way through meta-programming (metaphor programming, read about Tim Leary and Anton Wilson) to create all feelings I want off metaphors my imagination creates. I do not need the metaphor of a loved one to feel love for all. I do not need the metaphor of the earth flying up at me at the speed of gravity to feel intensity. I don't need the metaphor of some God standing in front of me to get mystical insights. Since I'm so attuned to the metaphor of chakra points, since my brain is so wired to function off them, that I can just focus on them and get any feeling I want.

Of course though, don't misunderstand, that doesn't mean I don't wanna get up and go do awesome stuff. Quite the opposite really. I just know I don't always have to be doing this "some""thing" to get at having a sense of fulfillment.

If you wanna kick up the crazy a notch. You could start throwing in Quantum Theory and say by, observing quantum particles in yourself to be chakra points, then you will pull the chakra points into concressence. You can observe yourself in ways and develop that way. I personally believe any underlying 'energy' system of the body resides at the quantum level of our being. And going by currently evidenced Quantum Theory, observing quantum particles, makes those particles concrescent, existing. So observing chakra points in your quantum layer, your 'energy' layer/system. You may actually be, literally, manifesting energy controls in yourself. Which don't forget, we are quantum particles.

With all that in mind, I completely agree with volcomstone. Symbolism is a crutch it would be best to develop your own chakra model. Which is what I was sort of doing with this thread, I was wanting to hunt down as many different models of chakras as I can possibly find and see what similarities and differences they contain. Typically that helps me get to the core of myself. You know, sort of like, if you do this as well, I went around and studied every religion until I found my own personal one I've developed for myself.

Furthermore, with all that in mind, if you guys want a tip from my experience. When developing chakra points, just do meditations on merely observing them. Nothing more. Close your eyes, perceive your body with your minds eye, see the chakra system laid over you. Move your arms and body around in yogic ways, feeling there relation to chakras. Run your hands up and down your body, feeling more heat emanating from your chakra points. Maybe try to hear a resonating vibration. Pull in ALL your senses in observing the chakras in you. I don't know how you could smell or taste them, but if you figure out a way do it. Remember senses are all just manifestations of the same core sense 'feeling'. That in the base all perception intermingles into different and comes out in different senses, that our mind at its core is pure synaethsia. So observing the chakras with ALL senses will only help.

I had an experience the other day that I felt shed some insight on this.

In these past 6 months of 'no real astral experience', I realized that referred not to astral specifically, but to the experience of leaving the body and wandering around.

I realized that in those past 6 months, it wasn't that I wasn't getting to extremely deep conscious levels. But rather, as I had felt, I just seemed to have lost an underlying will to 'get out'. At first, when reading this site and then in my spontaneous response to make this thread I thought "oh this isn't as good, I'm not getting out". But like I said, when I got some insight into it I realized that, even though I wasn't literally getting out. I was still having an extremely profound time during meditation and during astral meditations and that my life, was still steadily improving through all of it. But the thing I realized is, during these astral meditations of 'not getting out', I was still seeing things, still experiencing and hearing things very vividly. I started to piece together that these things are probably the product of observing more microscopically small astral layers. That rather then getting out and flying off. I was getting better at going inside and smaller. So I think now, once I find what I'm looking for down there, I'll go back up.

Darren,

I used pot and acid (and other hallucinogens) frequently for several years.  I had some interesting experiences, but they were nothing compared to what I learned to do naturally through OBE and other psychic phenomena.  Frankly, I'm glad to be reasonably OK after it all.  Some of my good buds didn't make it out of the 1970's, and it took me a year to clear my head and receive back my short-term memory after I stopped using.

This is something that... I have to probe. But understand as I do this it's for my own understanding as well.

I hear alot of people say something similar to this. They rave that they have attained some sort of sober state of great mysticism and insight, that it is better than the old way of hallucinogens.

But theres something I always find in common with such types, and I am extending this supposition onto you, correct me if I'm wrong, or rather I would encourage, present to me so euphemism for me being wrong. But it seems such types never provide anything incredibly useful or insightful.

That what you now consider 'doing it sober, making it, being there', appears to be as nothing but being 'stopped' in the flow of forward. When was the last time you had a revelation, when was the last time you felt inspired to write a new philosophy, draw some new visionary art, advance something in science or technology? When was the last time you -did- one of those things, not just felt the inspiration? When was the last time you directly tried to inspire someone else to do the same? When was the last time said person managed to follow through?

I feel, which again I am getting offensive here I know, but I do this for my own understanding as well. I feel that you have attained a state of what I might call 'Astral-esque religion'. Your in the state of "I did it", "I know", "Im there". Just how Christians sit there in contentedness of 'Jesus Christ is in my heart Im good' or of the Buddha 'I can sit here and not care about anything else as long as Im pure love'. These are inherent stopping points to flow of life. The end goal of life is not to reach a state where you can sit there amazed of your perfection, but where you constantly have the inspiration and the energy to further perfect, spread perfection. The simple fact of the matter is, the world is not perfect, and it's only going to go in that direction the more people people to will the energy to unify. The feeling of 'stopped' the feeling of 'being there' the feeling of 'Ive got it' is nothing but wishful hope. It is not possible to 'be there', that is called death. There should always be something 'more' to get to, there should always be something to push. It is not possible to explore the entire box because, all you need to do is break the box to find yet a bigger box. It seems what you have deemed your current state is nothing but, I would admit, a very LARGE box that you got through by alot of work and sweat. But it is not THE box, THE box is the state of there being no box.

Which is why I ask, if your there, if you've \done it\. What is there and what did you do? If you got perfection, why is the world not perfect? Can you explain it to the rest of the world?

With all that said, I would say if you feel any drug is getting you close to the end, if any drug helping you get to whatever you can deem 'it'. If any drug is given you the will and energy to further define 'it', explain 'it' translate 'it and present 'it' to the world. Then you should keep doing the drug. Seeing 'it' for yourself and then retracting back into 'I got it everyone else will get to my point because I'm ahead' is nothing more than a hopeful wish that, quite honestly, i am not going to believe until I see it happen and all my intuitions tell me, it is not going to happen.

No religion, no single viewpoint, no language no anything has managed to attained unity of all by just mere sitting in the corner by themselves with 'we got it', they'll come to us. The thing that will eventually cause such a flow of events of all to come to them is through the synchonicities that include humans. Not by some magical intangible energy guiding everyone through. Our percpetion of that energy is to guide us to synchronicity to bring others into synchronicity, the actions, the products of human are a necessary component of the manifestation of such energy or will, it doesn't exist unless we too are in the flow of it aiding it. I would say if you have lost that feeling of energy, if you have lost that will to try to explain it to people, lost the will to further progress yourself creativity, push the edge, try to further explore yourself, push further into the bounds of pure insanity. Then perhaps you should go back to LSD.

Insanity is nothing but a metaphor to the FABRICATED limitations of the human mind imposed by those that wish to hold onto their failing ego.

Of course though, maybe you are doing that all sober? But like I said, I only probe for my own understanding of such possibility as well. Because I can only think of a man like Terence McKenna or Timothy Leary, who, till the day they died continued to use psychedelics and they also constantly continued to push the bounds, just as they did the first day they took one. Is there any value to turning off and tuning out? Because I still have yet to see a 'new guy' come even close to touching Terence McKenna. I quite enjoy Frank's writings. But they are not even close to McKenna.

In McKennas own context, he believes all religion, all spirituality, all methods of meditation, yoga, shamanistic rituals all of it are merely left overs, sort of magickal tools, extremely powerful metaphors to push psychological buttons in the mind, in order to retain control and ability in the psychadellic experience. Thats all. They themselves do not provide 'it'. That they are merely the tools to properly do and gain value from psychadellics. Which yes... you may think thats too a degree absurd. But take Frank for example, as I've said, his model of conciousness and method I think are brilliant, for what they are. But I'm concerned not with my ability to use such things to -numb- myself from full awareness to attain a blissfull life. I have a life of pure bliss with or without that. I am concerned with the ability to use such concepts to retain my sanity in the greatest depths of psychedelic dimension to retrieve knowledge. And when it comes right down to it, compare what Terence McKenna has produced to what Frank has produced. McKenna, quite literally, has developed the most brilliant concepts of future society, purpose of technology, purpose of shamanism, UFO's, the functioning of hyperspace (same as astral plane) to the point of actually constructing maps of it to explore. To the point of designing models for consciousness design in order to aid humanities next step. What has Frank done sober? Oh we have Focus 1, Focus 2, Focus 3, Focus 4. Thats nothing but a renamed version of concepts presented by Yoga Nidra. Which again, I commend Frank for brining to light truth. But I still have yet to see him do anything notably /new/.

Now all that is nothing to discourage you, or try to say Frank or anyone does not have potential. That is the extreme polar opposite of what I want. But I do say it to note that, until you've got 'it' you should not condemn anything in the slightest and possibly even, retest old theories developed years ago? Perhaps you'll feel differently now after growing some?

So I have this formula of thought where I identify something actual, immediate, 100% and then try to apply it to greater bigger things.

Now magnets, can this explain gravity? Can the functions of it explain all underlying workings of every non-physical force? Perhaps it's the underlying force behind even physical force?

Like currently quantum mechanics supposes the 'graviton' that gravity is a flow of particles. But for that to function, the particles must be flowing from one place, big bang? To another, center of each planet. But I wonder if these flowing of particles, the flowing isn't so much dictated by just the once accidental setup of the perpetual flow from the Big Bang. But rather, if they are still being guided by mere magnetism. That possibly, all things that are run under some magnet force, some pull from negative to positive, then the inherent recycling of that back through the magnet to positive again.

I want you guys to help me ponder this formula for thought. Apply it to some things and explain it if you would like.

When doing so, also keep in mind the human body produces magnetic fields by focused will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography

They already invented time travel.

It's called LSD, psilocybin or DMT and then the proper meta-programmer. Getting the proper meta-programming is atleast 100 times more difficult than getting the prior. But no doubt, it's there.

And you are correct, it only enables you to visit parallel realities, literal time travel does not exist. This physical universe is magnetized together by a conscious FAR greater in time. Perhaps if that conscious experienced time travel, it would re-manifest the physical reality to old times. But when just our single conscious experiences time travel, all it does is allow us to perceive the other possibilities that could be physically manifest and, at one point, were physically manifested.

And as Terence McKenna said so well. When you peer into the future you don't see something like the past, only that it hasn't happened. When you peer into the future, you see an array of probability matrices that still have yet to collapse on themselves. Traveling into the future is nothing more than a very accurate sense of what COULD happen, which then invariably allows you to navigate those many possibilities of COULD better.

Honestly, I think a good step in the subject of time travel is if they watched the cells of a human body under an extreme hallucinogenic experience and could identify at a cellular levels whats going on. Or maybe they would need to analyze the cells in the brain during the experience. But then if they could figure that out, harness it to project it on a ship of some sort.... hmm

Supposing physical occurances that may come back around, like the giants returning in 2012, could be of value. But theres an issue in thinking that direction in that physical manifestation, especially involving actions of 'other', is only controlled in small by an individual.

When I think of context for potentially crazy evidence, I think of it in terms of implications directly to me, then through me what I could present. So that I am not wasting energy focusing on uncontrollable variables.

Giants? Maybe. From Mars? maybe. Is there anything entirely in your control to present the evidences of this? No. So it's largely still up to the decisions of chaos, in an out of your context magickal way. So investing too much energy into such a thought direction would be inconsequential as you may just be falling into a recursive loop of thought, that within in it, provides you no direct means of control to get out of it. Although, there will be value to complete the loop of thought once, maybe twice, but recognize when you start to go in circles.

Personally, for me, if there was inarguable evidence that men of 2000 years ago were capable of incomprehensible physical construction feats, with no apparent evidence of fantastic technologies, no apparent evidence of physical ability to do so. I would suppose a relation to telekinesis. Which is exactly what I did when I read this thread.

Is such a direction of thought more sane than what you did? Not so much so, maybe even less sane. But the supposition of possibly a highly developed, natural, telekinesis ability of old civilizations provides a direction of thought that is immediately justifiable and potentially evidenced by your immediate felt experience. Something that, when you think about it, muster up the energy for it, it will not just set you back around in a recursive loop of thought expending all that energy you built up trying to comprehend evidence. But instead it will present a point, a single point forward, in which you must focus that energy built up to evidence your supposition. The energy would be focused in the direction of you developing a telekinetic ability. Sort of how in astral projection, you must believe with all your underlying unconscious that you can, it is the same process for all magickal process to a degree. You must fully and unconsciously believe in the possibility. But in the least, atleast the evidence to release you of this 'insanity' is still all within your control, which IMO, makes it entirely more sane. It's ok to go to greatest depths of insanity if you still have a directly controllable tether to pull you back.

Do I believe in telekinesis personally? I don't know. But it feels better to use the energy of your evidence to project into a single immediately controllable point, then have it keep pushing around in circles.

I have read theories of people supposing in the conscious shift of 2012, some people will develop a high level of natural telekinetic ability. I have read some channelers of 'future times' to come questioning on whether or not there may be a way to harness energy, electricity, or other, directly from human energy and they were quite pleased with my supposition of 2012 telekinetic ability paired with a telekinetic generator of electricity of some sort.

Crazy, I know. But at least the energy presented is used to push immediately forward.

Although, don't misunderstand, I'm not saying telekinetic supposition is the only way to use such energy presented to push forward immediately. But I do see your mind wandering in circles of unknown with no hopes of finding a grounds in the direction to go. I mean consider for a moment if they actually found a fossil skeleton of a giant, presented it on the news, everyone saw it, believed it. It completely rearranged the way people saw the progression of humanity, even made some great new suppositions on where to head research. Would that fix all the problems in the world you perceive? Altering perceptions of history will only do so much for the future. Telekinetic evidence however would fix more problems I believe. But don't misunderstand, I'm not saying start tK practice or believe it. I'm just presenting an example to say, aim all energy you gain through music, evidence, news, everything, towards a single thing that you can manifest completely of your own individuality.

Which you did in your first post which was good. But how will you be able to take that first post with you throughout everyday life to help shape the future?

Or maybe you do sense a potential grounds in that direction of thought?

Back when I registered here in February of this year, reading everything, getting all the language into my brain. I think of it in Robert Anton Wilson style, change the language, change your brain physically and thus perception and ability.

I had two very notable projection experiences the following months. Where I literally got out so to say, the full magnetic feeling of pulling, the sense of immediacy and real to it all. Then a dozen or so of the ones where you are literally there, zoned into it. But your not out walking around. But you can see things there. This all gradually began to fade off for some reason after the months. Since then I only ever once felt the magnetic pull and leaving sensation again, but I didn't get out fully.

I no longer even so much get that 'feeling somewhere else' entirely anymore.

I believe it may have a degree to do with, in terms of Franks modified Monroe model of conscious. I am intristically aware of all the focus's at all time from meditation I practice, in a sort of Buddhist enlightenment sense. Focus 4 being the clearlight, from my interpretation. That is something that in the past months I have improved incredibly. My intuitional connection to these focus's, my ability to sense, comprehend and be creative have increased incredibly in that time, beyond what I could have even comprehended as possible last year. But with that, came no more AP control.

My meditation now is largely just, focusing on controlling my feeling, abilities, thoughts, coming up with new thoughts, concepts, designing things visually... basically working on myself, sort of using that 'intuitional connection' to the focus's as a guide. Cause I mean, they are in your brain? So that is where that greater intuition and connection to 'it all' would come from. I still every now and then get the few marked AP guides I once used, pulsating white light, body really light... but I just can't seem to carry them very far anymore.

I'm thinking it may have something to do with the fact that. AP is actually just an incredibly accurate Focus 2 of consciousness, correct? In essence, a really accurate lucid dream. I feel once I started thinking this, it made the experience of AP seem less valuable. Unnecessary. Which then lowered my underlying will to do it or just accidentally experience it. That I almost see it as a form of entertainment.

Another thing to note tho, in the past months, the degree to which my dreams are more vivid and more varied has increased significantly. Just that whole 'accuracy' and 'lucid' aspect of it, I've seemed to of lost some of.

So I am wondering, has anyone had a similar experience, or similar thoughts? How'd it go for you?

plausible

I think you could reveal more truth on this subject if you put some more context to this
if this was proven true, undeniable evidence. If it was just a matter of you presenting some evidence to someone to believe this.
What would that cause to happen?

I'm reading Christopher Hyatt - Undoing yourself with energized meditation, it's a very interesting book I'd recommend if not for more than the entertainment value and analyzing the way he writes, it's very peculiar.

But in it, he describes the chakra system.

BRIEF MEANINGS AND LOCATION OF
THE CHAKRAS

Sahasrara — Beyond the Chakra Centers. Above the head.
Technically not a Chakra, although many call it one. Might be
considered Kether, mixing with Ain Soph. This center is beyond
language.

Ajna Chakra — #6 Located between the eyebrows. Relates to the
region of the Mind-Ether. The color is white. Beyond the notion
of dimensions. The pure Mind. Divine Union of personal self
with the Collective Self. Power to leave the body at will. The
ability of the True Seer.

Visuddha Chakra — #5 Location, the throat region. Relates to
Sound and Ether. Color is smoky purple. Power; freedom from
possession by worldly activities, complete knowledge is
obtained, of the past, present and future. Mandala is a circle.
Animal is elephant. The organ is the mouth.

Anahata Chakra — #4 Location, the heart region. Relates to the
Air. The sense of touch and feelings. Color of the petals is blood
red. Power of hearing with the inner ear of OM. Power to protect
and destroy the three worlds. Mandala is hexagram. Animal is
the antelope. Organ is the penis.

Manipuraka Chakra — #3 Location, the diaphragm-navel region.
Relates to Fire. The Sense is sight and "emotions." The color of
heavy rain clouds, dark blue. Power to create and destroy worlds
and the wealth of personal knowledge. Mandala is triangle.
Animal is the ram. Organ is the anus.

Svadhisthana Chakra — #2 Located slightly above the genital
region. The Sense is taste. Color on the petals is vermilion.
Relates to Water. Power of well reasoned discourse, or verse,
imagination. Freedom from enemies. Mandala is the crescent.
Animal is the alligator. Organ is the hand.

Muladhara Chakra — #1 Location, the anal area. Relates to the
earth. The sense is smell. Color is crimson. Power of Speech
and eternal knowledge. Mandala is the square. The animal is the
elephant. The organ is the feet.

Note: The locations given above reflect spheres of psycho/
bio/spiritual energy, which in fact are more sublime than the
physical regions mentioned. However, by focusing on these
areas you will achieve proper results.

The thing to note about Hyatt is he also utilizes the tree of life in his practice. Which is why the association of kether is said. Which may attribute to this odd chakra model. It could be his own fabrication of mixing the tree of life and chakra models. He also has occult history, is this a model from occult past?

But anyways, I'm wondering. Can anyone of you give me some more understanding on chakra in general? I've read alot of things online and used alot of them. But this one is different, most notably the colors and the notions it has to bodily connects.

What exactly is this model hyatt describe coming from? And are there other models of the chakra systems out there? Do you guys have any links to other types of descriptions?

Can you guys please not talk bad about Randi?
He's one of the only guys who I respect.

At least someone cares about the fake readings psychics give to people that had lost someone valueble to them.

If you'd think like me, if you would also how fake psychics really are.
You would know what selfish people they are.
They give people this... "hope", these flawed dreams, and flawed realities.

And when they believe it, they lose all track of reality.
The normal human being isn't smart enough to filter out lies, like religion, or spirituality.
And psychics subconsciously exploit this weakness.

To be absolutely honest, psychics make me sick.

rationality and logic is a dogma

To get Randi in the corner, might I suggest the power of news sites like digg.com?

You could run the experiment with just a number of friends. Document it all, put it on youtube
Then present it to randi
If he denies, then present the your expiriment, the conversations with randi all to digg.com asking them to email in telling randi to take you on

I had a sight in a meditation once that I felt hinted at something about the mechanisms of gravity. I saw sort of the planets imposed with something that most resembled something like a portion of the mandelbrot fractal.

What was peculiar though was the flow of the fractal I then realized was the path of flowing particles. Not the particles themselves. But it was showing me the path particles took. It was at this point that I realized that the entire formation of the universe could be simulated by merely fluid simulation. Fluid simulation of the two base particles. Bosons and fermions. Only one fermion can occupy the same space (physical matter), infinite number of bosons can occupy the same space (non-physical things like light, gravity).

Imagine an explosion in a body of water (yes relation to big bang). But imagine how an explosion underwater would work. The middle would just be all over the place. But then it would trickle out to the sides at which point the water would begin to swirl. Sort of like when you run an oar through the water and it leaves a little whirlpool. Thousands of whirlpools of this manner would form from the explosion.

But thats water. Imagine if this same thing occurred in a big body of non-descript bosons and fermions. Fermions flowing in a little whirlpool would just be a typical whirlpool (cause water is fermions), they'd have friction on themselves and stop swirling, only one fermion could occupy the exact space in the center there all flowing into, so they'd have to exit out the bottom and go somewhere else. Bosons however would operate on a completely different dynamic. Bosons would flow into the center of the whirlpool and just infinitely condense into that singular point in the center. Since they have no friction, it'd just be infinitely flowing.

Now I suppose gravity is the product of bosons flowing in a whirlpool like manner. The whirlpool structure created by the product of fluid dynamics from an explosion of some sort. The thing to note though is since bosons have no friction and would flow in this whirlpool infinitely once established. It means they would become the predominated energy that dictates the flow of the fermions. Planets are the product of fermions all following the boson flow into a whirlpool. Since only one fermion can occupy one space at a time, rather than condensing infinitely into a single point in the center like bosons. Fermions would began piling up around that bosonic center point. They would begin forming the planet.

This basically would insinuate that gravity was established first and it is gravity that dictates where matter forms. Typical science I would assume has it wrong. Physical matter doesn't create gravity, it's the other way around. Gravity is merely what causes physical matter to flow to where it is and form. Understand, this doesn't actually contradict science at all. Science merely recognized the relation between matter and gravity, it has no evidence to the causal relationship between them. There is no proof that matter creates gravity. But as I explained here, I think it's much more plausible that gravity formed matter.

Which keep in mind Quantum mechanics does now as well suppose that gravity is a particle, a graviton. Which yes, gravitons are bosons.

Also this does have implications to the concept of channelers and your 'cosmological path through the universe' Because, how the earth is formed by physical matter following the flow of an non-existent energy. We are also formed by following the flow of a non-existent energy. 

Oh and that bosonic center point where they infinitely condense? Thats the sun Yes this does provide some support for the hollow earth people. But I'm not so much sold on that yet.

This who island things is an excellent idea. I'm gonna try to start focusing on it.

So when doing any sort of mental work I would always lay in exactly the same spot, the same direction, the same posture. For months I did my meditations in this exact same posture everytime. I just got into the habit because it worked. But then the other day by the off chance I pointed the other direction. Which may seem no biggie, but the thing that was notable about it was as soon as I began to be even mildly focused and lose notions of body and space, it instantly felt like I was laying in the typical spot and direction I always do. Except physically I wasn't, my physical body was pointing the other direction. Seemed my astral body automatically manifested in my typical habitual posture, position and direction when it was really supposed to manifest the other direction. This allowed me to become aware of the two being separated at a speed and efficiency I never experienced before. So I think this could be a valuable method in some way. Has anyone tried doing this?

If anyone is willing to experiment, for the next month or so do all meditative and astral work in exactly the same position, posture and direction, every time. Then after a few months, maintain that exact same position and position, only point the opposite direction. See if your astral body will automatically manifest the other way because of habit and if it helps in becoming aware of the separation.