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When i try to OBE , i lie in bed and while trying it i allways get to a point were my body is completly relaxed but my mind is like very much awake and clear, no tought are running through my head,
So if i understood it right what i need is to lower my brain wave?
Inorder to go any farther, so how do i do that and continue from this point to the next?

And if it can be dangerous then in what ways?

cause when i try to OBE the only time when i'm close to
falling asleep is when i loosing my consciousness, but then i notice that, so automaticly i start thinking again not to loose my consciousness and then i get back to full awarness. so how can i make my mind fall asleep?[?]

Today i woke up and tryed to do wild i was in my bed focusing on my breathing then after 5 minutes the vibrations started and got straonger and stronger, i opened my eyes looked on my legs as i vibrate, that was strange, suddenly i needed to go to to pee, so i said to my self,im awake and im still vibrating so if i will go and come back i will probebly be able to vibrate easly so i opened my eyes and i found out it wasnt reall what i saw and i wasn't awake when i looked on my legs, was it AP OBE LD ?

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My secend question is i tryed to do wild again and i started to vibrate and its got stronger and stronger until it stopped so i came out of bed and then i saw somthing strange and i knew its not reall
i looked at my room it all looked perfectly normal i started to walk around the house and it looked just like in reall life, was its OBE AP LD ? how can i tell the difrenet


sorry for my spelling im not very good in english [:I]

cause when i try to do wild i got all the stuff that happend in OBE ...
yestrday i tryed to do wild and i had vibrations
how can i tell the different ?

ok i woke up in 7:00 then i stayed awake for few min then i went back to bed
and i tried to do wild, it took me somthing like 15 min and then after 15 min i look at the wall in my room and i said to my self "damn didnt work again"
But Then i heared my sister Crying for 10 sec's and then she stopped
then she Cryed again but then she stopped, Then i tought to my self
"hmmm somthing here is worng" i Consitrated hard and then i could hear her crying agin and then i stopped and she stopped as well then i Consitrated again and then she cried again i look to my side and i saw my room it was normal as it allways was, So it was very hard to me to reliaize that im in a dream or somthing, Then Consitrated Very hard and i didnt stopped
and my sister Kept crying then My Father came and talked with her i
didnt saw them because they was bihind the wall in my room but i could hear them  Very well that it scared me i looked to the side and the room Look still normal 100% reall i was so amazed but i was scared that i will start seeing scary things So i Went out of the dream and i found my self in bed

that was So reall ! im sad that i got out of it in the middle Tomrrow im going to Try again and this time i will try to be less scared

the only reason that im scared it because i keep seeing ppl write hear
that they are scared cause they see ppl and things in there dreams

Ok like you know or if u dont know im practicing OBE for only like 7 days and i quit Trying few days ago,  today i stayed  home (insted of going to school), i was in my bed thinking,then i said maybe i will try last time to make a OBE
so i tryed. then suddenly i Was in the trance State the next thing i know i started Have HARD vibrations! and then i tought to my self Wait a sec maybe i can Make a OBE suddenly i started hearing Noises My dor opend up and then closed then opend up again and then closed the same As my windows That was kinda freaky, Then i Tryed to imangine My self Out of my Body and the Next thing i know IM Out Of my Body then i started Walking i tuch my hand and its feel 100% reall  i was so amazed then i keep walking it was some kind of a room, then i find my self in my bed But i wasnt awake! i tought im awake but then i reliazie im not so i keep going its all look So reall but my room look kinda strange but still very amazing then i dont know how some kind of noice waked me up maybe my perents so i waked Up and i remmemberd Evry single Detaile Of this expirence! That was so Cool !


teanks For all the Ppl who Guide me
dani.

OBE takes alot of time to achive and i dont have alot of time So for now im Quiting Obe !
im Moving to Lucid Dreams much more easy to achive

i read about it but i didnt really understand how to i Use the chakras?

is it possible To Get into a OBEE/Astral plane from a Lucid Dream ?

How much Time useuly its take to achive the first OOBE/Asral project ?
i started a week ago And i cant wait To have my first OOBE

This is what im doing when im trying to get into a trance please tell me what im doing worng.
ok im Liying in my bed then i close my eyes, im trying to relax my body
i start from my feet then i move to my head, then after i feel my body is relaxed i imegine im going down in a ladder then after few min i do the Rope
method
WHat am i doing worng ?
How should i feel when im doing the Rope method  ?

How do i get into Trance in the best way
please i must know i dont really Secced of getting into a trance

im liying in bed Trying to get in to trance, But it doesnt work i wait like 10 min And im Still where i started, maybe my technique is not good.
Can you tell me where can i learn Good techniques or somthing ?

is it Possible to Get stuck in the Astral State?

please send me,  my email is dani_gilboa2@hotmail.co.il
Pleasseee

Sorry For All the question i just think of a question evry time i try to Project (i never secced).  when trying to Astral Project Are you must be sleepy,
or can u do it when u r Totally Awake ?

i never had a OBE before or Astral Prjection or any thing else(accept Lucid dream), and i dont reall know what is the difrrenet Between all of this, but is it true that u canReally be in The Reall time zone While projection ?

What is the difrrenet between real time projection or astral plane projection?

How can i know if its a lucid dream or a OBE?
i had a lucid dream that im in my room sitting near the computer
isnt it the same like in OBE ?
How can i tell the diferrent between The two ?

i Never had OBE before but i had lucid dream How reall OBE's can be ?

When u say Mind awake body asleep stage u dont mean sleep parlyze right ?

quote:Originally posted by Patrik

dani,

It does sound like you missunderstood, like smooth said, you don't want your mind to fall asleep. That's why it's called a concious projection. You are awake during the entire process. You might if you want get close to sleep, if you think it's easier, but you don't fall asleep when having an OBE.

To enter a trance you make sure to relax the entire body, refuse to move it for any reason and just relaxes more and more. What you DO want to do is make the BODY asleep, but you keep the mind awake at all times. You wait for the body to fall asleep and lower your brainwaves by doing a trance practise, like concentrating on the breath, an image, heartbeat etc. The main thing, get your body as relaxed as possible while still awake.

At a certain point the energy double will be generated and you will be able to project. BUT YOU ARE STILL AWAKE WHEN YOU DO IT! Letting the body fall asleep, and letting the mind do it are not the same things. So in fact, that you don't fall asleep is actually a good thing, since you really do not want that.

What you might want to try is, relaxed fully mentally, it does not mean you should get close to sleep... Just that you have no mental restraints. Then decide on something to focus your full attention on, for example the heartbeat. Listen to this heartbeart, without straining mentally. Forget about everything around you, do not focus on the body, just follow the heartbeat... Make sure you have no inner monologue, and that the mind doesn't wander. During the entire time try to relax more and more, and MAKE SURE NOT TO MOVE AND SWALLOW!

When you do this your brainwaves will slow down, which causes you to enter a trance. If you concentrate long enough, and succeed in blocking everything out but what you concentrate on. You will sooner or later cross the sleep boarder, BUT YOU ARE STILL AWAKE. At this time, if done properly, you should have transferred to the energy body and you should be able to get up from bed, and find yourself in the astral. The thing which is important to see, is that when this happens YOU DO NOT FALL ASLEEP. You might not even realize you have projected, but still think you are in physical. If that happens, try to float up, or get up from bed to see.

Of course, sometimes you might experience a "break" in conciousnes when getting transferred. But you shouldn't expect this. And I would say that most of the time this does not happen.

I hope I have been of some assistance.

Yes! , That's what i meant , Lowering your brain waves not falling asleep, I just didnt know how its called.
So let me rewrite my probleme , So my probleme is that every time my brain waves start to slow down i automaticly starts thinking and the brain waves speed back up.
But never mind you allready asnwered my quesiton []

maybe i didnt explained my self correctly.
i dont fall asleep, the probleme is that i dont fall asleep.
i got to a point where my body is fully relaxed but my mind is still very much awake and because of that i cant enter an OBE.
and when i said about my mind falling asleep i meant to get into a trance state or so, im not sure how u call the process.

when i came out of bed i tought its real but then i saw somthing strange and i had full control of it i knew im dreaming or somthing
so i wanted to get to a difrrent place so i stood infront of my door in my room and i said to my self in the minute i will go through taht door i will be at the see, thats somthing i read in a articale about LD, so after i went through the door i was still in my house so i decided to go in my house and look around i knew im dreamming but im not sure if it was ld obe or ap