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Intersting site I came across:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Lou

I just did a few searches on what Josephus had to say on Jesus and it seems it depends on what translation you read and what stance the translator takes; either christian or non-christian.

I also noticed that Josephus was writing in the later half of the first centuary so quite a while after the death of Jesus so it again is a secondary text and not a primary text. 

I cannot find anything written at the time of the biblical events (the gospel manuscripts having been dated between 60-150 years after these supposed events) to support the claim that they are accounts of actual events.  Nothing about Herod killing lots of babies which you would think would have been big news and commented on a fair bit...but nothing.

The only conclusion I can come to at the moment is that the gospels are works of fiction with spiritual messages contained within them and it is unlikely that any of these events actually happened. 

I have always found it odd that a census required Joseph and Mary to return to Bethlehem as they were from the House of David, an ancestor of some thousand years before.  I would have great difficulty tracing my ancestors from a thousand years ago even with all the records and resourses at my disposal.  I have tried and can barely get a hundred years back.  I now see this part of the story as a literary device used by the author of the gospel of Luke (I think that's the one that mentions it) to get Jesus to the place he would need to be born in, to make him fit the prophecy.  I couldn't find anything about a census in Herods reign anyway.

I still looking for evidence though, so if anyone knows where there is some I'd be very interested.

Lou

This is an interesting thread.  I am not a christian or any other religion for that matter but religions do interest me as they shape how so much of the world thinks.

Is there any actual historical evidence for the existence of a man called Jesus (or Joshua as I believe Jesus was the Greek translation rather than his actual name) in pimary texts written at the actual time of his life?  The gospels are secondary texts as they were written long after his death.

It seems strange that the writers of the time seem to hardly mention him, assuming there are any that do mention him.  The bible paints this picture of a radical who really rattled the Romans so you'd have thought there would be more written than just the gospels which were written years later.

Cleopatra took on the Romans and we know this becasue there is written texts about it (albeit from a Roman perspective) so we know she existed but it doesn't seem to be the case for Jesus.  Are there any?

Lou

I've just finished reading Frank Kepple's stuff and realise that most, if not all of my projections and lucid dreams have been in F2, my own personal astral, and I don't think I have ever gotten out of there.  Having read Frank's stuff I think I need to work on not getting caught up in my own little dramas on the astral so I can move to F3 but that is easier said than done!

Do you think this may be the case here?  Not the RTZ things but the other experiences such as the woman and the boy in the house?

I have phased to the astral a few times but each time it seems to have been just my own little world with my own little creations as opposed to the collective experience of F3 although it is only since reading Frank's stuff that this has dawned on me. 

Hi and welcome

I registered a few years ago but haven't been around for ages so I feel new again