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i've come to recognize that the bible has SOME great spiritual truths... but about 90% is just waffle. DONT take the bible too seriously at all.

Almost all of its stories are symbolical... Apparently with some ''true'' accounts, such as the life of Jesus etc. But really, I can't understand how anyone could take the genesis story seriously, or rather: literally. That there are people who believe we were ''created'' some 6000 years ago or something is beyond me, but oh well...

But to answer the question: yes he lies, and is very barbaric. He's also a hypocrite and a sadist.

My sentiments exactly, Stillwater. Sense at last.

Now, all I see here are a bunch of people suddenly using internet stereotypes on others. When it comes to a discussion, using such stamps = instant lose = a waste of time. To be frank... when one resorts to such childish antics, one is really diverting the issues at hand and trying to escape by looking smarter and better than the other one, by uniting under the flag of Insanity. And, to be frank again, I believe that anyone trying to categorize another person is mentally ill, and you really do need psychiatric help, or perhaps a local indian herb doctor... whatever is your cup of tea. Because, let's face it, Mustardseed: what you said makes you nothing less than a pussy, and I think you're afraid.

P.S I'm not attacking or flaming or w/e... just pointing out that I found it weak how some people apparently can't reply other than basically saying: 'Yeah, you said it! Now what to categorize him? Hmm... maybe a troll! How nice, yea!'

Now... Wikipedia is hardly a trustworthy source, now is it?

I've not followed the entire convo here, but I'll just jump in and be a prat and just react, if you don't all mind.
Now, Joe, how can the activity in the brain be ''just a reflection'' of what is in the mind or ''soul''? Where would this soul be then? In your belly? Or wait... perhaps where your brain is? Isn't it obvious? The brain IS your mind/soul... You can call it whatever you wish, but it remains the same. I see no reason as to why someone would believe that a brain is merely a physical representation of the human mind, to act and work its way through the physical realm. Well, the only reason I can think of is that one would wish to feel special, to believe that there is this little light in yourself that's basically you. And that when your physical self perishes, you (the little light) float out of your body and just fly away for all eternity with your immortal babe, or dude.
Anyway, i'd still like an answer as to where you believe this spirit is. Belly, head, butt, feet or perhaps the tip of my fingers. When I write this, are my fingers illuminating the light of life? Of course not... because there is no such thing as a spirit. Unless proven otherwise of course, which, as so many things, is about as likely as me growing pubic hair on my lips.
  There are however loads of folks who say they have the answer, that we have a soul etc... but that's said by theologians, scripture, simple minded people and many more groups or individuals. But as time has passed throughout the centuries, it's becoming more and more obvious that the brain is YOU. And you're simply living the ''dream'' as you go. The brain lets you see the world, and you react to it. However way you react to it is decided by people around you who either consciously or subconsciously indoctrinate you with their beliefs. For example, catholic families have done so throughout the ages, and many others as well.
Now, of course, there are people who ''break'' free of their grip and believe they have found the truth, that they know the right answer now. They can convert to Islam, to Hinduism, to all sorts of ''isms'' and whatever the mind can come up with in its deluded fantasy. Yeah, they can convert to any specialist! A specialist of the unknowable, or they decide they, themselves, are a real specialist and they form a little group specializing in another form of the unknowable... on how to summon a spaghetti monster.
But on a more serious note, I've once lived by this rubbish as well. I sat on my bed, I concentrated and after some time I could feel myself slipping away... 'My God!' I said later, when I ''recovered''. 'I've just had an OBE! This is stellar! I feel divine! I can do everything now! I can shoot fire from my eyes and lightning from my butt! Hey, wait, let's do it again! I LIKE FEELING SPECIAL!' But, as tempting as it was to do so again, I came to my senses and realised it was just a form of dreaming. Fe... you have daydreams, hallucinations, fata morgana's etc etc, the list goes on.
There are so many ways one can wake up and just realise ''wow that was so real, just what happened?!'', but in the end it is just THAT; a very real looking fantasy which left you in either awe or fascination, and you feel special and decide that you are either blessed by destiny or some other all-deciding factor which has blessed your life. But, let's face it, it's ALL a DREAM. And I'm saying this with something that virtually every being on this godforsaken planet lacks: COMMON SENSE.

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What he said.

You merely had a dream that you had an OBE or anything like that. What happened is very easy to deduce: you woke up, after having a very real dream which stuck with you as you woke up, and your mind had to wake up from the very real feeling dream and had trouble coming back to reality. It took some doing, but eventually you came back, as we all do. So it felt as if it was real, but in reality you were simply awake, without realizing you were.

Smite me oh mighty smiter.


P.S Hi all! I'm new here, and I found this forum by accident. I'll pretend it was a fortunate accident, though! Either way, i'm sure this'll be interesting and all. So let me say this once more: Hi, and greetings, especially to christians with guns who support the death penalty... I pray none of those are here, but that's something I'll find out eventually I suppose.