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I've been at this OBE thing for a couple of years now with no conscious success. About a year ago I did the NEW and Tactile Imaging exercises for a few weeks with no results so I abandoned them. Now, after months of trying, with lots of great input from the forum posts, I'm wondering if going back to those exercises, in earnest, will produce results. For those who used them to OBE - are they that vital to success?

Attn. Experienced OBEers,

I think I'm getting close these days. Been at it for two years. I can put my whole body asleep so I don't even feel it anymore. And then, with a clear mind, stay focused only on being aware. At that point I get hypnogogic imagery. I just stay with it, waiting. Nothing yet, but I'm focusing on ultra relaxation. I believe that the body needs to be so relaxed in order for the subtle astral body to disengage from the physical body and NO attention on the physical body is the trick. I feel so close. Any helpful ideas?

The Wizard

[Candle Vision]

Candle Vision

I'm sure this method exists somewhere; just thought of it yesterday.

I've been going back to read past posts (very adviseable for newbies) and have discovered an important thread. The idea is not to focus on the body but have attention placed on the intent. For me, the rope just links me to my body and when vibrations come that only solidifies my connection to the body further. I'm imagining my arms grabbing for and pulling the rope which brings me in direct awareness of my real arms and body.

So I've been trying this: I light a candle and place it in my room, far from the bed. I go into trance, lying on the bed, earplugs in. I do this in the morning or early afternoon. I then imagine myself standing, looking at the candle. I focus more on the candle than me standing, so as not to connect the body to the imagery too much. Then, as the hypnogogic imagery begins I let it filter through the image of the candle and just observe them going by without grabbing onto any of them, so as to prevent slipping into a dream. I try to disconnect my candle vision from the body standing and watching so it's not a body orientated image. I'm not trying to get out of my body (body consciousness again), more that I'm seeing the candle vision as a dream, very light and dreamlike - strong intent. The hope being that my vision will switch frequencies into the candle vision dream (OBE) naturally. This approach has nothing to do with my body.

My only question is, will I naturally get out-of-body or do I still need to have some sort of projection technique when the vibrations come? Again, the vibrations make me think of the body. The candle vision, even while the vibrations are happening, is my primary focus. I'm thinking that the subconscious mind knows it must be out-of-body to be standing, looking at the candle. What thinkest thou, fellow dreamers...? I hope to have success with this approach. Any extra thoughts would be welcomed.

I need that extra little push which only experience can give. So if you have a clue, please respond.

I get very relaxed, I enter the trance state, dip into sleep, come back from the edge, don't feel my body, hypnogogic effects. Then a tingling feeling rushes through my whole body for a second or two and that's it, nothing.

Also wondering what these famous vibrations are all about. Please describe in detail. And, as far as I can tell, no separation technique should be applied until the heart beat and vibrations come, correct?

Doing the NEW exercises religiously. Most of my attempts are in the morning/daytime.

Is this just going to take practice and persistence? Been at it for a year. Thank you in advance for your feedback.

quote:Originally posted by DukeLordxX

If you don't mind Wizard can you quickly listen to both files and see if they are the same thing? I will send you a link with the first file by PM. The only thing thats a bit confusing is that the second one has 8 seconds more time,(19:54 vs 20:02) so are there any seconds of silence in the second MP3?

DukeLordxX

The 8 seconds of silence you hear is the sound of the credit card transaction going through while paying for the software!

The Wizard

DukeLordxX

The filename was astralMP3.mp3

The Wizard

DukeLordxX

The length is 20.02 minutes and the file size is 8,226KB.

The Wizard

I've been trying for two years to project. I've read several books and much of what is available on-line, including this forum. The other day I decided to pay for and download the following sound file:

http://www.witchcraftmagic.com/astralprojection.htm

I got immediate results. Very deep trance for the first week. Then, in week two I had my first OBE. I actually lifted right out of my body, about 7 or 8 feet. It only lasted a few seconds. I felt all the vibrations and it was so very cool. I was in a light dream state just prior and found myself using the rope technique when it happened.

I set the audio file (20 minutes) to continuous play and within an hour I begin to head into a light dream state. Two days after my first OBE I had another session with very strong vibrations, but no exit. The beauty of these experiences is that I now have a recognizable reference point to work from. I know what the right vibrational state feels like and can tell when in the process this is likely to occur.

I would recommend this product to anyone who is wanting to enhance their chances of having an OBE for the first time.

The Wizard

Shaman,

Goblins and pumkins.

I have tried what you suggested, although going pee is the first thing I have to do, but quickly going back to bed does result in a strong feeling, stronger than most other times.

I will try to do the falling technique. I certainly agree that a sinking feeling comes right before the vibrations. Sounds like a wise idea to simulate the falling feeling. Thank you for your input.

I am starting to re-read Astral Dynamics. It is a totally different book after over a year of trying to AP. I read it with a new depth of understanding. I do know that surrounding yourself with OBE books, forums and affirmations, along with Lucid Dreaming affirmations with frequent reality tests is a smart thing to do. I will continue to immerse myself in AP thought and practice, practice, practice.

Wizard

Thanks Shaman, it was very interesting what you quoted.

Shaman,

A person who is schizophrenic has different symptoms than what you describe. What you are referring to, a mistake many people make, is split personality. A schizophrenic or paranoid schizophrenic usually hears voices, thinks there is an extravigant plot against them, thinks the television and radio are sending them special messages, is sure they are someone importent or biblical and there is a conspiracy against them, feels their food or medication is being poisoned and other symptoms, not a split personality disorder you are referring to in your post.

I like to correct people, and often do, when they mix up a personality disorder such as split personality with schizophrenia. It happens a great deal. Otherwise, your post was interesting, as they usually are.

I'm just sort of wondering...

When the body is asleep and the mind is settled, would it help to look at my surroundings using my imagination? Mainly to set up a new focus and keep my mind away from my body. My physical body would still be quiet in my bed, but my imagination would be focused on the details of my room - carpet, walls, ceiling etc. At some point would the actual astral body be the one doing the looking and bam, I'm out? In other words, if I simulate being out with my mind, is it likely that my astral mind will take over and replace the imagination mind and boom - I'm now out of body?

I wake up to go pee in the middle of the night, sometimes twice. No matter what kind of OBE I attempt, sleep is always a winner. I sometimes wake up at 4:00am and stay up for 0.5 hours then go to sleep again, like I've heard suggested, but again, just go to sleep.

eh.

Yes, I can go mind awake, body asleep. I have the feeling that I'm really close. Yes, keep practicing eh?

The Wizard

Shaman,

All that happened I've explained in my last post. No light, no tunnel, nothing that dramatic. Just a snapshot image that was so clear and profound.

The Wizard

I had a NDE about 2.5 years ago. Head on car crash on the highway - other driver fell asleep at the wheel. For the past 2 years I've been trying to have a conscious OBE. Read several books, practice as often as I can, but nothing so far.

That NDE was so real. I was looking at the cars lined up on the highway in both directions, from about 20 feet up, over the crash site. Everything was still. I had 360 degree vision. It was in my mind for a couple of weeks, so clear and profound. When I discovered that there are conscious OBE books and web sites, I was hooked on having the same experience while alive.

I think I'm getting close these days too. I can put my whole body asleep so I don't even feel it anymore. And then, with a clear mind, stay focused only on being aware. At that point I get hypnogogic imagery. I just stay with it, waiting. Nothing yet, but I'm focusing on ultra relaxation. I believe that the body needs to be so relaxed in order for the subtle astral body to disengage from the physical body and NO attention on the physical body is the trick. I feel so close.

I need to continue to practice though. Just as I do with lucid dreaming - only had a LD a couple of times. They were so vivid and incredible that I keep on practicing.

I do have a minor setback though. From the accident I received a traumatic brain injury. I'm on 5 medications from the neurologist. One, just started a few months ago, is for Parkinson's disease, meant to help with my facial tics. When I started that medication my vibrations went away. They used to be very strong just prior to exit. I don't sweat it though. I'm sure when I'm ready to start floating up from my body it will happen. I am determined. I know it is possible, that keeps me going. I also know that it happens every night when I fall asleep and all I'm doing is staying awake while my body sleeps so I am able to experience what is happening every night anyway. This forum has been so helpful!

Frank, thanks for responding. I'm starting to see the big picture now. It's just a simple (maybe not so easy) matter of falling asleep while staying aware. That just takes practice, to navigate the hypnogogic realm, each time staying more and more aware, until one day, you cross over with conscious awareness intact. All that is needed is a focal point, a ticket so to speak, for the ride of OBEing. You just have to hang onto it and never let it go. At least that's how I'm seeing it now. So all it is about, for me now, is practice and patience.

[Furthermore]

Furthermore

I've been experimenting with the Candle Vision approach today and came up with some interesting realizations.

First, I've moved forward by leaps using this method as opposed to the rope, which always connects me to the body. What I found was that the Candle Vision dream I'm trying to enter has but a thread of conscious awareness built into it, the candle, and in no way is related to the body.

(If I chose to I could grab onto a piece of hypnogogic imagery and let that take me into a Lucic Projection, hanging onto a thread of awareness.)

What I found when imagining the candle was that the vibrations increased and I almost fell into the candle dream with the projected double following, just as we fall into a dream dream with our subtle body following, although we are not aware of it because we have fallen fully asleep. Staying slightly aware, just a candle's worth, I saw how the projected double was preparing to enter the candle dream. It seemed like an effortless event as opposed the other techniques I've been trying that have me doing something. I think I was observing and making mental notes too much for the transition to be successful, but next time.

I hope this helps others who are searching for the knack. If I'm way off base, please, someone with experience correct me.

[Masterbation]

Masterbation

When I started to investigate spiritual matters, I discovered in my search that masturbation could be a drain on subtle energy.

I'm not saying that it may or may not hinder OBEs. Obviously some people project easily while still pleasuring themselves.

What I was learning concerned spiritual Work and the Tantric tradition. The goal there being to store as much energy as possible. Drains could be masterbation, getting really angry and lashing out. These are concerned with the lower chakras and drain the energy system there. The ultimate goal is to raise Kundalini energy, the coiled serpent, up, through the chakras, to the crown chakra resulting in full enlightenment.

I'm not sure if enlightenment is every OBEers goal but if it is, all the energy one can conserve would be in the best interest of the goal. I somehow think it's very personal. Different people have different makeups. I think that having an OBE, being consciously out of your body, is akin to a glimpse into eternal life, pretty cool eh? Is that not close to enlightenment itself?

As for addiction, yes, sex can be an addiction. The secret, I think, is to first accept it and not fight it. It will always win. Just watch it, observe yourself doing it and then you'll get an outside, objective viewpoint and if storing energy and not leaking it is your goal then it becomes easier not to. Also, you'll note dramatic energy surges when you deny yourself, if you can handle them. That is obvious proof that we're dealing with a most potent energy resevoir.