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I have a slight problem with exiting and staying focused on the astral body. I think that my consciousness is overly-bound to my physical body. I can start feeling the vibrations, but shifting the focus from the physical to the non-physical is near impossible for me. Something else that I've noticed is that when I am in dreams or out of body, I can still feel my physical body, sometimes more so than my dream/astral body. This becomes problematic because it sometimes causes the dream/experience to end prematurely.

Any advice on how I can overcome this issue?

Here's what these drugs do:

Weed will make you scatterbrained. You won't be able to focus on anything for more than a few seconds, let alone staying awake while your body falls asleep.

Psychedelics (LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, etc.) will put you in a state of mental overdrive. Calming your mind down enough to meditate properly or fall asleep would require such immense self-discipline as to be nearly impossible. VERY high doses might cause you to spontaneously leave your body (I know of this happening to a friend of mine), but this situation is completely uncontrolled and not really productive. This is completely unpredictable and might only happen 1% of the time, if that.

DMT is another matter entirely. Assuming you "breakthrough", you will absolutely be out of body, but it is completely different from a conventional OBE. The nature of the experience is so far outside the ordinary that you may have trouble integrating or understanding what happens. Control of the experience is essentially out of the question.

Overall, not generally useful for having insightful or productive out of body experiences.

I was just curious if anyone has done this, and if so, how exactly would you accomplish this? Would you just hold the thought of the person in your mind when you're out of body?

Yeah, I'm not sure a 'physical vibration' will help with anything except bringing your awareness back to your body.

Agreed.

I've been using it quite a bit for the last month. It definitely has an effect. I can go from being completely awake to feeling tired just by listening to some of the different sound files for about 15 minutes.

As for it's ability to help you get OBE's... I'm not entirely sure. It certainly has helped me get into a calmed state of mind, but I've only had 2 conscious OBE's, so I can't say on how effective it is.

If I'm just trying to meditate, I use one of the "meditation" files. If I'm just trying to get some quick relaxation before I do something else, I use the ones called "relaxation". The files are pretty much self explanatory for what they do. I believe they are sequential however. For example, you start out with the meditation file called "Meditation (15 second pulse)" (or something like that), and work your way up to the 90 second pulse, depending on how long you can clear your mind.

BrainWave Generator is supposed to be used in conjunction with "Mastering Astral Projection" by Robert Bruce, which I haven't really been doing. This may have affected the results on my ability to OBE. Maybe actually going along with the book would make it more effective.

I keep using it, even though I haven't had a conscious OBE in a while. Anything to improve my chances is better than nothing at all.

Hopefully this helps.

I would tell you about the coming future ban on this forum, but nobody besides me can handle it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stookie, you made my day. Thank you for that lovely bit of satire.

I've never experienced angels/spirit guides or w/e. But for me to say that it isn't true would be closed-minded, because I do not have enough evidence to make that conclusion. I simply do not know.

If you conclude that astral projection is real, then how do you conclude that there is no afterlife? How can you possibly say that, despite the fact that you agree that there is more than just the physical (basic premise of AP)? If there is more than just physical matter, the idea that there could be an afterlife doesn't sound so far fetched, improbable, or irrational. It almost seems certain.

A degree of skepticism is required to keep you from getting too carried away with ideas, but close mindedness will get you no where.

Well maybe it is influenced by the physical to some extent, because I knew about the silver cord, but I never heard about the rooted features of it until I experienced it. In fact it was completely different from what I was expecting to feel. Maybe the silver cord is only there if you're looking for it?

I really don't think I could have come up with the same description as what everyone else seems to have come up with, on my own, without it being true in some way.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/my_validation_of_the_out_of_body_experience-t30710.0.html

Maybe it's not real, maybe I was connecting up to some collective unconscious knowledge of ideas that other people came up with?

Did you feel any fiberous, rooted, tendon-like structure where it connects into you?

I am in awe.

Thank you very much dbmathis

eh... well I think a link would have been better than a wall of text, Peter.

Well, I could see how weed could be useful to get you in a relaxed state of mind, but I think most people would probably just end up falling asleep before anything happened.

I know from personal experience that LSD cannot possibly help. No psychedelic drug will help. The extreme A.D.D. would make it impossible to quiet your mind enough. I know a guy who had an out of body experience on LSD, but LSD/Psychedelics are too unpredictable to use to have an out of body experience, for the average person.

After my first out of body experience last Friday, I have come to the conclusion that not only is it very real, but that the descriptions of it are uncannily accurate.

So I've had the whole "seeing through closed eyelids" multiple times before, just never could really progress beyond that. I honestly never had anything to prove to me that it wasn't just a dream.

But on Friday morning, when I was floating around my room, I decided to feel the silver cord to see if it was there. Not only was it there, but it was vastly different than what I expected. I was expecting something like a ribbon or a thick string. Instead what I felt was a fibrous rope, about two inches thick, composed of many individual cords bundled together, going into my back in multiple different places. I wrote this description down as soon as I woke up.

Later that day, when I was reading from Robert Monroe's "Journeys Out of Body" I came across this about the silver cord:

"I felt the base, and it felt exactly like the spread-out roots of a tree radiating out from the basic trunk. The roots slanted outward and into my back down as far as the middle of my torso, up to my neck, and into the shoulders on each side. I reached outward, and it formed into a "cord," if you can call a two-inch-thick cable a "cord". It was hanging loosely, and I could feel its texture very definitely. It was body-warm to the touch and seemed to be composed of hundreds (thousands?) of tendonlike strands packed neatly together, but not twisted or spiraled. It was flexible, and seemed to have no skin covering."

When I read this, my jaw dropped. This is a completely perfect description of what I experienced. Now a skeptic might say, "Well your subconscious mind was just bringing something up that you heard before, not what you expected". The problem with this idea is that I had never read this before.

Actually, every other e-book or online source that I have read since then has given an identical description.

I think the probability of me coming up with the exact same description of the silver cord is unlikely to the point of being impossible.

Before this Friday, I was still somewhat skeptical that out of body experiences are not just strange dreams. I now 100% know that this is real, and that we really are more than just physical matter.

For those of you that have witnessed the silver cord, how would you describe what it looks like? If you've touched it, how would you describe what it felt like?

Well this morning I believe I had my first real out of body experience... What happened was that I was seeing from my physical body's point of view and from my astral body's point of view simultaneously. It was actually a bit hard choosing between the two, so I had a sort of flickering between the them.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Has you ever had this, and if so, how would you describe your experiences with altered vision?

I find it amusing that SkepticBoy continuously asks for some sort of validation ... but the second anyone mentions anything related to validations, its instantly impossible.

Why sir, is it impossible?  ... Because it defies the laws of physics as we currently know them? Or something else? Well if that is the case, then you have no further need to look on this website for validations, because it is impossible.

If you instantly have the mindset that something is false before you have any proof for its falsehood or truthfulness, you are not a skeptic, but a person who is close minded. Skepticism is lack of belief until evidence is given ... belief in falsehood of a statement without evidence is still a belief, so you cannot truly be a skeptic.

I am a skeptic with astral projection and other paranormal events, but I suspend my judgments until I see further evidence for one side or the other. It is possible that this radio thing is simply as you described it: all in the mind. But I cannot rule out the possibility that there is some sort of paranormal event occurring either. You cannot say either way without hard evidence. Unfortunately in this situation, the hard evidence is lacking since it was a subjective experience.

I suggest you either change your username, or change your way of thinking. The two don't match up at all.

Lighten had a similar problem...

I'm feeling lazy right now and don't want to type it again, but I'll give you the link to the thread he posted:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/lucid_dream-t29004.0.html

This has happened to me in a LOT of my lucid dreams. I think maybe it has something to do with attachment to the storyline of the dream. Maybe clearly separating your will (making a goal), from the dream story's purpose (also making a goal). As to how you would go about doing that? ... Hmmm ... Well maybe focusing on what it feels like to make that goal... like emotions, sensations, etc.

The dreams that REALLY REALLY upset me the next morning are the ones in which I am explaining to a friend or some random person what lucid dreaming is.... THE IRONY OF THAT.

Worrying about some entity entering your dreams is not worth worrying about because it's impossible.

What you dream is all in the mind, even lucid dreams. There is no external influence in lucid dreaming from what I've experienced, only internal. As for OBE's/Astral Projection, if you believe in them as they are described, you might have a valid reason to be afraid. But even then, it is impossible for entities to enter the body.

In lucid dreams, you are 100% in control (you'll learn this when you have more and more lucid dreams). That's the fun part about it. Make it whatever you want.

Just curious. I came across an e-book called "Conscious Dreaming and Controlled Hallucinations" by Claude de Contrecoeur aka Claude Rifat.

http://www.shaman-australis.com/~claude/dreams.html

The reason why I'm asking for Psychologists, Psychiatrists, or Neuroscientists is because I don't know a lot about the technical terms he uses here, and I would like to know if what he's saying is valid. As a Psychology major / Cognitive Sciences minor, this book seems quite amazing to me if what he's saying is accurate, but I currently lack the knowledge to determine that.

In trying to find out more about the guy, I found almost nothing. One website suggested that he's a crackpot of sorts and that his ideas are nonsense, but that was in response to something he wrote on GHB. Anyone know more about him?

I did this last Monday morning on accident when I was in a lucid dream. I woke up instantaneously.

How long have you been trying? Do you get at least 8 hours of sleep every night? Do you attempt them in the morning or afternoon naps? Sorry for the 20 questionsish response ... its a little hard to help out when you don't know the situation.

I recently asked something similar in this thread:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/tobacco_alcohol_and_obe-t29285.0.html

I eat junk food all the time  . I've had my first 3 OBE's in the last 2 weeks, so I really don't think the so-called "toxins" in junk food are bad for the body or OBE's. If these foods were toxic, the FDA would issue some sort of warning about them (Example: Fish... There's warnings all over about not eating too much fish at once because of mercury poisoning. However, research shows the health benefits of eating fish with regularity outweigh the risks). The air we breathe every day, and think nothing about, probably has more toxins then say, the Little Debbie fudge brownie that I just ate 2 minutes ago. Think about how much stuff is in the air: all of the fallout from all of the nuclear weapons ever detonated on Earth, all of the industrial chemicals, all of the dust, all of the other particulates. Eating healthy is definitely better than not eating healthy, but its not something you should worry about in regards to OBE, IMO.

As for alcohol, I'm not 100% sure on. I'm sure being completely trashed will definitely kill your ability to OBE, but maybe having a glass of wine or one beer might relax your body more and allow you to more easily enter OBE? I have noticed that I feel the numbness come on a lot faster when I've had one or two beers.

I'm just curious as to what other people do while projecting, as stated by the title. Last night I had a projection, but I had no clue what to do, so I was just hovering around while trying to think of something more productive to do. There's a lot of guides on how to project, but not much is out there about what to do after you've already projected. I personally would prefer to do something deep and profound, instead of just hovering around and looking at stuff.

Although I don't smoke often, sometimes I go out and smoke hookah with friends (clarification: referring to tobacco here... not marijuana). Whenever I do, my usual order of numbing/vibrations/out-of-body-feeling gets a mixed up or they take way to long to happen... Anyone else get this after smoking? I know smoking is bad for health in general, but does it affect OBE's that much? And what about alcohol?

Just wanna be sure to maximize my chances of getting OBE's... had a few in the last few weeks and I'm REALLY getting into this.