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Sounds interesting...

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Cool! It seems like you may have actually been seen while you were OOB. It was the wrong person but the right timing and description of what had occurred, so it's a possibility that's for sure.

I think you're serious, so do you have any friends or whatever that is willing to attempt this yet?

I don't know, in a way I want to attempt this because I'm currently doing (or trying to do) some experiments while OOB, so...

It seems like they are wandering spirits. They were there probably because that is where they were happy or that is where they died (or were hurt in some way) and felt attracted to that area. Perhaps, in some cases, it may be spirits who are watching over you/protecting you (?).

I think it may be possible if that is the intent/desire of both individuals involved.

Is it possible to imagine pulling myself down? or straight forward? Would this work the same?

Well, straight up will be the best way (of course?). Imagining yourself climbing down the rope wouldn't do any good (unless you are trying to enter trance).

I could try the rolling over, but will that pop me out to the side?

Yes, you will fall on the floor (well, most of the time).

I can tell when i feel my astral body release itself from my physical, but sometimes i'll twitch or move and i hear that. Is that a bad sign, or just continue on?

I wouldn't worry about that unless you are experiencing physical pain.

I also feel like when i try to get my head released, i can get it started, but my neck will start to move a little.

Yeah, like I said, it sounds like your head/neck is not as relaxed as the rest of your body. Don't focus on your Physical Body.

Maybe you should to do some Energy Raising...

Also, i'll be proceeding through the vibs, virtigo, and the feeling of releasing my arms, legs, then torso, but then i get stuck and nothing new happens; should i stop if it fails? It seems like if i continue then nothing more happens, and i try my hardest.

If you've been trying for awhile with no luck, you should definitely take a break. You're trying too hard and losing that relaxed state of mind that is required for one to exit (well, it seems like that anyways).


Good Luck!

Okay, I respect your opinion but I know for a fact that I was pulled out-of-body. It wasn't the first time either.

My subconscious mind did not create the individual, it was an actual person that had interacted with me. I found out his name..., I was in his (?) house, saw other people, etc. It was real as far as I'm concerned.

i think i felt my body cavity expanding and getting big(what body is this called again?

I believe you are referring to the Energy Body expanding during trance.

Also, since i'm 'pulling myself upwards', will i go through my celling? I was on my loft bed, so i'm only 3 feet from the celling.

You're not that far away from the ceiling, so I would say it's possible.

What should i do next?

Perhaps your head wasn't as relaxed as the rest of your body, so maybe you should spend some more time relaxing that part of your body?

Keep your mind clear (and stay relaxed) while climbing the imaginary rope and ignore all sensations that you may experience during your projection attempt.

Energy Raising may help...

When you feel yourself rising, you can try to roll to the left or right to fully seperate.

The colors you saw was Hypnagogic Imagery.

The sound you heard was a Hypnagogic Hallucination.

Both Hypnagogic Imagery and Hypnagogic Hallucinations happen when one is falling asleep.

The "click and flash of light" ended everything because it scared you or got you by surprise (perhaps?)?

It seems that you have reached the right level of trance for projection (because based on your description, it appears you have reached the point where you feel like you have no body) The only thing you need to do is focus your awareness outside of your body (move you awareness from your head, to outside of your body).

Also, try not to get distracted when you swallow and remain focused.

Also when performing energy work in the past I've come to and my whole body is sweating which never happens to me when I sleep normally. Is this a normal side effect?

When I do Energy Raising and Chakra Stimulation for a long time (or sometimes not even that long), my body would get more and more warmer, so...

Lastly in the interest of honesty, I've never projected myself although I try on a regular basis. Last week I thought I did it for the first time, saw my body on my bed and put my hand through the glass face of a book cabinet but alas it seems it was only a lucid dream as when I came to the room I was in was nothing like the room I saw in my 'dream'. I did seem to enter the room after the whole rushing wind sensation I get when I doze in the morning.

Since you saw your body and you entered the room "after the whole rushing wind sensation," I would say that it's more likely that you were OOB.

If you thought that you were awake when you "woke up" in your room, then it was a False Awakening.

If it was a conscious OBE, you would be aware of the fact that you were in your room while OOB.

interesting, how whould you suggest I go about an obe? almost every method I read about consists of lying in bed focusing on the blackness untill you feel vibes.

You don't need to experience vibrations to go OOB (in case you didn't know).

I cannot have lucid dreams. even when I know im dreaming Im stuck in it. I can do stuff, walk here and there talk to cool people etc. but cannot control it enough to stop it for a obe.

All you have to do is say something like, "I want to have an OBE" during a Lucid Dream. Then, you'll will instantly begin to have an OBE or you'll will wake up in the right state for an OBE attempt.

I dont know if its the type of person I am or what. I can do anything, but I have to see it done before I can completly do it. so im not sure if I have to watch someone while their sleeping go into a obe or astral project or what.

Ummm, I don't think you will see anything by watching someone going OOB (assuming you're thinking you would actually see the individuals Etheric or Astral Body seperating from their Physical Body).

ive got a friend who is realy good at AP and having obes. is there a way they can help me AP?

Yes, someone can help you go OOB. How do I know? One example would be when I told a dude on the Etheric Plane to pull me OOB the next time...Later, I was pulled out-of-body by the same dude I had told earlier to pull me out...

can I have my friend sleep near me and provoke a obe or ap?

It seems that it would be more easier for your friend to help you have an OBE if he or she was in the same room/area as you (because they don't really have to travel to look for you and...).

Just try to be in the MABA (Mind Awake/Body Asleep) state (obviously?) when your friend attempts to pull you OOB.

1. How is an OBE different from a lucid dream (which I also want to learn about  )

Good question. During an OBE, one is aware of the fact that he or she is outside of his or her body or is observing their surroundings from a different perspective. One knows that the experience is real and not a dream.

During a Lucid Dream, one is aware of the fact that he or she is in a dream. One is in an imaginary world created by his or her subconscious.

2. What is it like to be in an OBE? (Is it different for every person?)

You feel just as you do in the Physical Body but you know you're not. It's really cool to be free from the limitations of the Physical Body.

3. What can you do in an OBE?

From what I've experienced, it seems like they're no limits as to what you can do whilst out-of-body.

4. How do I go into an OBE (I'm sure there are some topics on that subject in this forum)?

Lets see...I would say to practice meditation first and get use to being in the trance state...

5. Should I learn how to have a lucid dream before I learn how to have an OBE?

Well, it probably is easier to have a Lucid Dream since all you have to do is become aware that you're dreaming. Although it's more easy for some than others. Once in a Lucid Dream, you can easily go OOB and you'll be able to tell the difference between an LD and an OBE (because you'll have them one after the other).

6. Is there anything online that you think I should read? (Sadly I'm not going to be able to buy any books to help me because I'm only 15.)

These should be good for know:

Robert Monroe-Journeys Out Of Body: http://www.scribd.com/doc/537191/Robert-Monroe-Journeys-Out-of-The-Body

Astral Projection & Metaphysics Forum-66 Astral Projection Techniques: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11483227/66-Astral-Projection-Techniques

The Out Of Body Experience FAQ: http://www.web-us.com/oobe/oobe.htm

Louis H. Ruiz-The Big Picture: http://louisobe.homestead.com/files/Big_Picture.htm

7. What is the astral realm? Is it just when you're on earth but out of your body or is it a totally different place?

The Astral Plane is also known as the emotional plane because your emotions and thoughts are what influence the environment and what you experience. This is where your desires can truly become reality. You're able to manifest whatever it is that you think of or intend to see.

8. Can you meet other people that or having OBEs in the astral realm?

Yes, you can meet others that are also OOB. However, I cannot confirm definitively whether or not I have done so though.

9. I've been reading Robert Peterson's books and I have read that he got psychic abilities and an inner voice that talks to him after he started having OBEs. Is it common to gain new abilities after you start having OBEs? Are these abilities good?

Yes, when one becomes more aware of other realities and works with things that are energy-related, one may begin to notice an increase in their psychic abilities. The abilities you have obtained are good if you use them in a positive way.

10. In Robert Peterson's books he also talks about how it seems like falls out of his body when he trips on something but then he is pulled back into his body quickly. Does your body and your conscious become less connected after you have an OBE?

If you mean whether or not one becomes more detached from their Physical Body, then I would say "yes".

11. When you are seeing/on a planet when you are in an OBE are you on the actual planet or is it just something that you mind makes up?

That depends...if you remain focused while traveling and you don't imagine or expect anything, then you should be on/see the real planet.

12. When you are new to OBEs is it hard to stay in them (are you pulled back into your body often?)? If it is does it get easier to stay in them if you practice more?

When you're are just starting, you'll probably have a hard time staying out long and staying focused/calm. It definitely gets easier the more you practice/project.

13. When you start inducing OBEs do you start having them naturally (waking up out of your body even though you didn't induce an OBE)?

Yes, if the desire to be/go OOB is strong enough. This happens to me alot.

13. When I feel the vibrations how do I know when I can separate from my body?

Well, you would reach a point where you will automatically seperate from your body due to the intensity of the vibrations. If you don't automatically seperate, once your body is vibrating intensely, try an exit technique.

14. How do I move in my astral body? Do I think about moving or do I move how I normally would?

Actually, you're able to walk/run as one does in the Physical or you can move by thought alone.

15. Should I open my eyes when I'm in my astral body or will that make me go back into my physical body?

Just believe and know that they're already open. Say something like, "I can see clearly" if you're having problems seeing.

1) But once I exit, I have no sight, is this because I'm getting ready to go to sleep?

Perhaps you were in the Void? Anyways, every once in a while I would also experience having no sight (rarely). When you can't see, just tell yourself that you can.

2) For mirrors, what happens if I go through one? Will I be in a "mirror" world?

Sometimes, when going through a mirror, I would get stuck half way through (and I feel the glass or whatever scratching me from the hole that was made) or it would stretch like rubber or I would end up at some random place in the Astral.

SnakeDoctor: It could've been an actual entity in the room with them, I mean they seemed like they were aware of what was happening for the most part. However, you can't rule out the other possibilities. If only they tried to communicate with whatever was scaring them.

zareste: This story is even crazier! Too bad those entities didn't reveal more information as to what they were doing and who they are, etc.

Both stories are great...thanks for sharing.

1.) Do you just open your eyes while have an OBE or do you just think about them opening and they do? I was scared that I was still tied to my physical form and didn’t want to open my physical eyes.

If you can't see, you simply tell yourself that you can see and you will. However, there have been times while I was OOB, I closed my eyes and when I tried to open them, they remained tightly shut. I even tried saying over and over that I can see and this had no affect at all. I even used my hands to forcefully open them and that worked only a few times.

2.) How do you go about speaking, I've had these experiences before but I've never tried to speak to someone and I found that I had a very hard to speaking? I just couldn’t, it felt like I was mumbling with my mouth closed.

I've experienced this many times before. I would try to speak and it would feel as if my mouth was glued shut. I'm not sure of the reason for this but it's not a problem because you can just use telepathy. Look at the person, animal or thing that you want to communicate with and mentally send your thoughts to them.

3.) Have you seen any animals that have passed away while in a OBE? I was always close with this dog very close, I ended up enlisting with the Marines and was at boot camp for 14 weeks. I ended up being discharged because I really hurt my foot and was told I would suffer with this injury the rest of my life. But during this time at boot camp my dog became really sick and they put her to sleep. It hurt coming home and hearing that she wouldn’t be there waiting for me not to sound corny.

I have had pets that have died before but I don't remember seeing them while OOB. It doesn't surprise me at all that you saw your dog while you were OOB. Just because he passed over, doesn't mean you lose your connection with him. I believe that he came to pay a visit (possibly with the help of the man you saw).

Well, I hope I helped.

Some exit techniques/methods you can try are:

Roll-Out: Roll to the left or right of where your laying down but don't physically move of course, just use your mind to re-create the feeling of rolling. Roll as you would in the Physical (if you want, you can use visualization).

Lift-Out: Focus on your body become lighter and lighter with each breath you take. As your body is becoming lighter, feel your body rising higher and higher.

ROPE (created by Robert Bruce): Focus straight ahead as your lying down. Imagine the feeling of climbing a rope without visualizing it. Keep climbing regardless of any sensations that you may be experiencing as a result of this action.

Here's a link that (I just found recently) has plenty of exit techniques for you to try: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11483227/66-Astral-Projection-Techniques

Good Luck!

Sounds cool! I am really interested in the topic of UFO's and aliens. I have to attempt this and if anything happens, I'll let you know. Hopefully something will manifest on the Physical Plane because I've been contacted before (I've seen UFO's, aliens, etc.) but as far as I know it has only been one the Etheric/Astral Planes. Thanks for the info and links!

Old Dood: Thanks. I checked out the link...what a great forum! I definitely can relate...

I also want to say thanks to The Present Moment and Lighten for your replies/advice. It's hard but like I said I'll try my best to remain/think positive.

My friend, what kind of negative energy? Past thoughts, current events, negative people around you? What is it? I still have not cleansed all the negative energy out of myself. It's alright man, we all have our problems.

Well, it's the constant reminder that I am the one that caused myself to be like this. There are a few problems that I have with my Physical Body that has resulted in me being unhappy. It's kind-of complicated...My brother is the only one who knows about my condition. I told him not to tell anyone. It's pathetic and embarrasing, which is the reason for silence. Also, if Idid become 'fixed,' it's not like I will get back all of those years that I 'lost' being miserable...Everyone else thinks that I'm 'normal' and since I'm not (you know what I mean), it has caused my life to be even more difficult than what it should be...I feel like it's too late, it's just...too...late...

One more question, do you live alone? I remember one time, my friend got his other friend who was a very positive person to tell this energy to leave, and it did. Maybe you need someone like that to help you. But please, tell me what type of negative energy it is. You don't have to, I'm just curious.

No, I don't live alone. The negativity has to do with my thoughts about the past, my physical condition and my surroundings.

BTW, I hope I'm not making this sound worst than what it is but it's not like I have a cold or something.

It's too bad because you were very close to going OOB. You must realize that one may experience intense vibrations while attempting to have an OBE but it's not neccessary to experience this in order to have one. Remain calm and relaxed and know that no harm is being done to your Physical Body. After one goes along with the vibrations, they will eventually seperate shortly after from their Physical Body and their consciousness will transfer to their Etheric Body. Good job on getting that far and take it a step further next time because the next step is seperation!

If I remember correctly, I tried off and on for a few months then projected one night for a few seconds.

I basically just use affirmations while I'm laying down. I state my intentions/desires either mentally or verbally and the rest happens on its own. I mostly Phase into the Astral by using this method but sometimes it leads to me having an Etheric Projection. I seem to be aware almost all the time that I'm OOB while I'm dreaming but I get distracted by the environment and what is taking place at that moment. It's like I go along with everything that's happening and it's probably because the desire for me to go OOB/be happy is so strong that I act as if I'm living/always there (because over 'there' is where I'm happy).