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What gets you motivated to have an OOBE or AP?

For me its reading others accounts of what they have experienced. When I read someone elses experiences in a way I make them mine also. It paints a picture in my imagination on how I would percieve something or experience it and I think that causes it to eventually manifest into reality. Its like hearing a relaxation tape telling you that you relax and see a path in woods that leads to a stream etc.. Those dont work for me but reading other peoples experiences really helps alot! I notice when someone is doing a play-by-play account on an AP or OOBE I immerse myself into their experience so much that I feel like I am right there with them!
What about all of you? What helps you get motivated? 

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Thats pretty cool man, sometimes I have noticed different states of awareness while driving on the highway. I think the mind wanders so much when it gets bored that it finds things to do. Your experience could be likened to a peak experience. I think its awesome how you avoided an accident also. I guess things happen for a reason huh? 

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[...there may be superior methods to dealing with difficult situations.]

...there may be superior methods to dealing with difficult situations.

Wow!

What a mind blowing perspective.

Thank you so much for posting this. This struck a chord within me to read this, especially that which I have quoted above. Often times I dont practice this and I lash out offensively when I feel I am being attacked. I forget that I may be being tested so I do what seems to come naturally to me. I think everyone has their own demons to deal with and their own faults, and I respectfully thank you for showing me that this is one that I need to resolve. I feel elated in the fact that knowing of this problem I feel a little bit more illuminated than before. Knowing of a problem is the first step of resolving the problem. I cannot thank you enough, please keep up the good work!

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Thought id post this here because what I experienced/saw seemed to be more astral related instead of RTZ related, as it felt like I was looking into the past or in a memory of my own.

I was having a vivid dream (not lucid) which I was a 3rd person invisible observer in an X files episode. I had a feeling like my body was in danger (just like I did when I had my very first and only OOBE) and realized I was in bed asleep. I could hear the roaring/whooshing vibrational/hypnagogic noise but didnt feel the vibrations like I used to. I lay there in mind awake/body asleep mode just playing with the event as it unfolded before me. Everything was pitch black because I had my eyes closed, but then all of a sudden I started seeing shapes form. It was if an image or a scene was appearing in my black eyelids but it was fading in from the center of my field of view and getting bigger and bigger. It got to a certain point to where I could tell what I was looking at and I realized I was looking at my old bedroom in my grandmothers house (where I grew up) and I got excited. I thought it was cool to be seeing what I was seeing, and it felt like I was looking through a window because I could still feel myself in bed. Upon realizing this I noticed I was seeing my old room from the same point of view as if I was there in THAT bed at that time. I tried opening my eyes bigger to see more but I ended up opening my real eyes and that caused me to wake up fully and end the experience. I think I was replaying an old memory of my childhood and was an observer in all of this, was kinda cool nonetheless. I have never viewed other locales (real or imaginary) in this way and the whole experience seemed so real, as if happening in normal every day consciousness. This brings to me a new definition to "remote viewing"!

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I have always heard that people OOBE or astrally project every night, whether they remember or not, and whether they choose to accept or acknowledge it or not. I have found over the years, what we as humans percieve and think we know and what actually IS can be 2 different things entirely. 

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just so the body is allowed to gradually adapt over many training sessions.  the body should only be pushed gradually, and not all at once.  it's very similar to a marathoner who starts running short distances before long distances can gradually be covered.  or a bodybuilder who lifts light weights before gradually progressing to heavier weights.  again, the body should not be pushed to the point of illness, as may be exhibited by severe hallucinations, headaches, dizziness, stomach aches, sore throat, ear aches, etc.

Right you are friend! I like the saying in the movie "What about Bob...?" "Baby Steps". 

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[After many moths later]

Hello Astral society ,

I started researching about astral pro  2 years ago... after 1 year of just researching(just reading asking ppl having net coversations etc.) i decided to put my theory knowledge in to use  and started practising projection. I have read astral dynamics ,  by Robert Bruce for 2 times and other then that i have read many articles, ebooks forum notes and etc ..Unfortunately when finally i felt ready to put my knowledge in to practice bad events occurred in my life so i got distracted and it became impossible for me to focus on everything  so i gave up astral practice for a while... now my life is getting in order and I'm finally able to focus  things in my life. After many moths later finally yesterday i had that feeling if being ready and logged on to the forum to see all of your responses to each other. My aim was to motivate myself more and it did help... finally after i read some posts i closed my comp and tried projecting...

I have never  accomplish projecting but before i gave up practising  i was in the stage where buzzing, and falling sensations were happening so i wasn't expecting to reach that stage again after all that time , but surprisingly i actually reached that stage much faster than i used to  and I'm glad about it and normally because I'm a beginner i got stuck in that part again but i don't see it as a unsuccessful attempt ...

... anyway this event motivated me more and i wanna be full time practicer on the matter and i would be really happy if anyone guides me or tell me what to do in the future time for increasing my skills  ...thank you

Aye, those pesky moths can be tricky and non-conducive to having OOBE's /cackle 

But all joking aside, we commend you for coming here and opening up to this forum and trying new frontiers, one thing to remember is just to keep at it and never give up. There may (or may not!) be times where you feel like you are getting nowhere and you want to give up, but you must remember that every single action that you do happens across so many levels. Just because action HERE isnt rendering reaction HERE doesnt necessarily lend creedence to the idea that no-thing is happening at all. Never forget this! Good luck!

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I just read your report here in the forum about your findings and it was very comprehensive! I think the metaphysical community as a whole needs more hard data like this. Then and only then all of the naysayers and conspiracy theorists that say new age mumbo jumbo is a construct of the Illuminati and NWO will shut up for once! Good job on the info.

I will have to wait till I get off from work to check your site, this computer here doesnt do so well with flash sites and lags horribly but I cant wait till I check it out. By your account of the "Hit the road Jack.." ringtone I find really amazing, alot of stuff like that happens to me also. Not with OOBE correlation but in other ways as well. I feel on a deep level that the universe/I am presence/Higher Self/God/All that is talks to everyone all the time in this way, it just seems like alot of people are cut off from self and are not in tune and dont listen or hear it. Great thread, I enjoyed it. Thanks! 

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I tried today before going to bed on my couch. I was tired and sleepy and sat up but my upper body was in a reclined position. I started relaxing fine but after about 15 minutes my muscles started toughening up and I wanted to stretch so badly! I couldnt sit still and got frustrated and said screw it so I got up and went to bed. This is almost the same thing that happens when I am laying down on my back. Maybe this calls for more drastic measures to loosen or un-anchor the soul from the physical such as fasting and sleep deprivation. Maybe sleep deprivation is the key for me because when I go without sleep for long periods I start to have very minor hallucinations and weird sh*t starts happening. From the old days of long World of Warcraft sessions lol!

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My first OOBE (1995, 20 years old) only took 2 weeks of conscious constant effort (daily basis, reading books all the time, dream journal.)

Present day - 13 years later: Its been over a month of exhaustive immersive conscious effort and havent even brought on the vibrations yet!    Maybe I am trying to hard?


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The only way I think it is even possible to get lost or not be able to get back into your body would be if you were comatose. Otherwise, the soul/spirit is so anchored into the physical body that its very hard to stay out, much less get lost. I have read sporadic articles where people encountered invisible walls and thought they were screwed but it was a learning process and they learned that if they went back the way they came they could get around the invisible wall.

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When astrally projected it is said that on a fundamental level petty things such as posession or trading bodies is of no interest. Also I advise that one should become adept in the art of astral projection before taking on such tasks as this. the OP obviously hasnt even had a OOBE yet so to surmise that this is even remotely possible is folly.

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Also, Who the hell cares about copyrights? I mean if I were to build a website with information that could help this petty world and the little wills of men be a better place then I dont care if someone wants to copy and paste anything I say. The only reservation I would have is for them not to modify it in any way. I can see why someone would use copyright in this respect but I cannot for the life of me fathom why someone would want to copyright POSITIVE material that if spread around could cause a POSITIVE effect. Again, maybe this is just me. /Shrug

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P.S. - I made a promise to myself a while back, after I had my OOBE, and that promise is this. "I promise to the world, that if God finds me worthy enough that he provide some way that I can publish a book and/or material to help raise the consciousness of the world of humankind to a higher level so that we as a people and a civilization may be able to live more further in harmony than our ancestors and predecessors have and to bring and usher in a new era of peace and harmony with the universe. And I vow to not charge a single penny for this information. I vow to make this information and material free to the people of this world, because we did not pay to be born, so as such we should not pay to have our consciousness liberated." To this day, I still hold true to that promise and I hope someday soon the time will come and God will find me worthy enough to realize this dream. Screw the copyrights!

Start in the OBE journals FAQs section and then progress onto the audio/video of my radio interviews, tests, and experiments.

I encourage everyone that works with projection to do their sleep studies, find the the difference between sleep, food, exercise, and difference between OBE,False Awakening, Dream to OBE, and Misc. I have said this many times in radio interviews that to have a "clearer" picture you have to do the work. By myself doing this work, I know the days that I will project, times to occur, and how to manipulate the trance state better.

I project 1-2 per week w/o fail and am successful at it because I did the work. No one will do it for you, only yourself!

Good Luck and enjoy the site!

Tvos

No, Tvos...

What I am asking you about is your comment HERE ---> (...i just recently finished up a three year study and found theonly thing that matters is the amount of sleep, specific days of the week, and the morning hours of the OBE to occur.)

Where on your site is the data you have compiled from this three year study? Or is the data strewn across alot of articles on your site. Its not that I am lazy or anything its just that I am ONLY interested in your data you have found from this study. I do not want to have to sift through 15 different articles just to find data thats only pertinent to my question. Basically what I am asking you is - is your data from this 3 year study in JUST ONE PLACE or is mixed in with a bunch of other articles that have nothing to do with the study itself? The reason I ask this is, when you say (and I could be wrong here, but its my perception) "I just finished up a three year study", you imply that you have a document or article referencing the data you found in that specific study. Like a conclusion, etc.

It would be like me saying I just did a three year study on rhinoceroses, their eating and mating habits, and their migration habits. So you would think that I had a single document with a narrative on the study with facts, theories and conclusions. All I am asking you is for you to elaborate on what your findings are. Nothing more.

I have been researching OOBE's for 13 years now so I already know alot about OOBE's and Astral Projection. I just want to know if you are willing to share your ideas as well, I mean thats why we are all here on this forum isnt it? To share our experiences, ideas, and opinions about this fantastic phenomena and maybe help humankind unlock the way to their spiritual evolution? Or am I the only one that feels this way?! I just dont find it conducive to my own research to have to re-read and rehash every thing I know across 15 or 20 pages of text just to find a simple answer to a question. So please let me know and thanks.

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Tvos.....

why is it you require registration just to have your journals viewed? Also, do you have a direct link to your findings with the sleep study if not I can just look for it but your vague response to my question is leaving me having to search through your site to locate it. The site seems a bit difficult to navigate also. Any help finding the page I am looking for would be great! Thanks in advance.

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Saw no replies to your post and its over 2 weeks old and I know the sinking feeling when you keep checking your post for a reply especially when you ask a direct question for guidance so here goes.

My answer is that yes, it seems like you are on the right track. It seems to me you are learning to feel and get to know your etheric or astral body. I would try to stay away from classifying if what you are doing is right or wrong, just play around and experiment with these new sensations and keep an open mind. Try not to bring any fears to the experience because that can anchor you more into the physical and hinder your progress. I have started to have weird sensations also, I have come to just let them be and play around with them and let things happen naturally and try not forcing anything. Just be patient and it will eventually come when your mind and body is ready, but yes, it appears you are making progress, keep it up!

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In short.. i find it too easy to 'snap out of it'... cos my consciousness is still to overwhelming.. but when i let go, i drift to sleep too easily.

I seem to have the same problem as well. I dont seem to have a problem falling asleep at all. Very seldom do I ever have problems sleeping or stating asleep.. I try to listen to Hemi Sync while lying on my back but what usually happens is my body starts twitching and I lose consciousness (mind falling asleep) and wake myself up after about 5 minutes snoring. It is so uncomfortable that I ultimately end up saying screw it and taking the earphones off and turning over on my side or stomach and going to sleep. I dont have problems dreaming, just staying awake until vibrations hit me. Cant seem to get to the dissociative state either. Oh well, in due time I suppose.. /sigh!

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it does not matter what position, clothing, temp, location, food, blanket you use.. one still can project..

i just recently finished up a three year study and found theonly thing that matters is the amount of sleep, specific days of the week, and the morning hours of the OBE to occur.

tvos

I am "quite" (an understatement by far) interested in your data Tvos... I have thought of doing my own sleep study because when i find myself mentally exhausted I have noted that my perception of my environment around me seems to bend a little.. I have heard about days of the week and different hours attempting etc etc. So I would like a link please to your results (if you have it that is..).

Thanks in advance!

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Yeah, I control my wifes mind all the time when I astrally project whenever I want, because I am Neo from the matrix reincarnated into this body and can control peoples minds. I especially use my psychic powers of AP~Mind Control on my wife when she eats all the breadsticks that we get from Pizza Hut! This used to be a huge nuisance to me and I was about to file for divorce but when I stumbled across this nifty psychic ability of controlling people while APing all I do now is every time she is asleep I AP and whisper into her ear "These arent the breadsticks you are looking for..... Move along." Ever since then she hates breadsticks! Man, life sure is good! O_o


Ok, im joking-
But seriously...

ROFL! If that post isnt the most convoluted biggest piece of disinfo crap I have ever seen in my life I dont know what is.. Someone is substantially deluded and probably thinks the yellows are out to get them!

Sometimes it feels like these people that drum up these idiotic posts have nothing better to do with their free time. The stupidity of some people is utterly astounding.

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Tools can be found at the following links:

Neuro Programmer 2 from Transparent Corp (2 week trial download with loaded presets):

https://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/download.php

Mind Workstation from Transparent Corp (2 week trial download, better than NP2 in my opinion):

http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/mindws/download.php

Brainwave Generator Shareware Version, have to buy to import free presets that you can also get from the site:

http://www.bwgen.com/download.htm

If you feel really adventurous you can use a P2P program (which I will NOT go into here!) and find some tracks that way also.
I dont reccomend this nor condone it because it is illegal to download copyrighted content. You have been warned.

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I have invested very little money into having OOBE's. The biggest thing I have invested is time. Alot of people have the mentality that time is money... Well thats their right and their belief and all but I feel that kind of thinking holds one back. My opinion of people that say "well time is money and I dont have the time to commit to this.." are only just looking for an excuse to not put forth the effort to do it. I work 32 hours a week and I still have time to do chores, pay my bills, spend time with my wife and research this and practice exercises, etc. I am getting results because I am investing time and energy into it. You get nothing for free in this universe, if you are low on money then do what I do, take the millions of pages of free information on the internet on forums like this one and blogs and on Scribd and READ. Research it. Pour your heart and mind into this and you will get results. Dont force it to happen, just let it happen - and it will. Try not to have drama and stress in your life. Try not to be a busybody or have an overtly busy life and youll get results. Yes alot of people and companies charge for the exact same info thats free from other sources, you just have to put forth some time and effort into finding it. Dont expect a handout because you wont get much that way.

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Some expereances must be first hand and not told, you can't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver plater.

I totally agree with you on this, however the point I was trying to make was in relation to the OP's statement when he posed the question "Is there life on Andromeda?". Going there in a nonphysical state will probably not yield any concrete answers. I mean even if you DO go there how do you know you are still in RTZ? How do you know you havent slipped into another reality once you get there. There are so many variables to consider, its at least worth a try though. Never know what you might find out there

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Dont give up.
I just made a chart that kinda just came to me. Basically what it is - is a line on a sheet of paper going horizontally. One end of the line represents the beginning of the waking period of the first day and the other end represents the end of the sleep cycle on the 3rd day. Picture now a sinewave from point A to point B and the curvature of the wave goes above and below the middle horizontal line. Now superimpose a thicker opaque line over the horizontal line, this line represents the state that is most condusive to attempting an AP/OOBE. The thicker, opaque line should illustrate 30 minutes - 1 hour of time BEFORE sleep and AFTER sleep. This tells me that the best time to try to AP is 30 minutes to an hour after you lie down for sleep and 30 minutes to an hour after you wake up. I have read accounts where people wake up at night to go to the bathroom or read or whatever for 30 minutes to an hour and then have vibrations. I have also read where interrupting normal sleep cycles confuses the body and kind of throws things out of whack or out of balance (not in a bad way!!) so the body tries to compensate and/or overcomensates and you get these weird events of SP. We all know that everyone (or most everyone) has SP every night when we sleep and consciously observing sleep paralysis is usually an occurrence of an anomaly. If we can find a way to induce waking consciousness while having SP (as people already have) it could help those of us that have a harder time AP'ing to achieve this goal. I know this has already been stated countless times elsewhere, I am just confirming it etc. and adding some personal observations of my own. So try the wake up for an hour and then go back to sleep method and see if you get any results. Another thing also, if you want to do meditating or exercises, try doing it sitting up or somewhere that you dont/wouldnt sleep normally. I used to try doing this in my bed but I would end up losing willpower and turning over and going to sleep because I got frustrated or bored/tired. I have been doing it in my chair at my computer desk and on my couch in my living room in a sitting position and I have been having some interesting results. No OOBE yet and maybe some very mild vibrations if any but I have been feeling shifts in consciousness and have been seeing through my eyelids some. Basically I have just been experimenting with the trance state and letting my mind/body learn these states and the transitions between each one and the sensations and trying to train my mind to stay away when my body wants to fall asleep. I am making progress nontheless!

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Why not just ask the ascended masters for an answer to that? Or a spirit guide? Or a nonphysical entity residing on any of the prime material planes above the physical? I realize this is not validation per se' but, I dont think it is possible in this lifetime to get any PHYSICAL proof anyway..

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Yep, there's nothing like dimming the lights, lighting some incense & candles, sitting on a meditation pillow, & blasting "Highway to Hell" out the stereo.

LMAO!!!!! I rofled IRL

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(oh my playlist btw..)

Enya - Silver Inches
Enya - A Day Without Rain
Enya - Deora Ar Mo Chroi
Enya - Fallen Embers
Enya - Caribbean Blue
Enya - Evacuee
Enya - Lothlorien
Enya - No Holly for Miss Quinn
Enya - Smaointe
Enya - Angeles

Enigma - Gravity of Love
Enigma - Smell of Desire
Enigma - Traces (light and weight)
Enigma - Between Mind and Heart
Enigma - Endless Quest

Days of the New - Cling (and the hidden track)

Dead Can Dance - Porcupine Tree
Dead Can Dance - The Host of Seraphim

Sarah Mclachlan - Last Dance
Sarah Mclachlan - Angel
Sarah Mclachlan - Full of Grace
Sarah Mclachlan - Answer

couple songs from "Solaris" soundtrack:
   First Sleep - Cliff Martinez
   Maybe You're My Puppet - Cliff Martinez
   Wear Your Seat Belt - Cliff Martinez
   We Don't Have to Think Like That Anymore - Cliff Martinez

couple songs from "Gladiator" soundtrack
   Elysium
   Honor Him
   Now We are Free

couple songs from "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" soundtrack

28 Days Later soundtrack - The End

The Cure - Prayers for Rain
The Cure - Same Deep Water as You

and about 8 or 9 hemi sync and/or holosync tracks strategically placed between songs

to name a few.

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