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Well, Im extremely knew to meditation, relaxation, energy raising, astral projection, etc.  I, being an engineer and a very scientific person, have had quite an interesting time swallowing all the what would seem "mystical info" that is obtained here and in Robert Bruce's book.

To me it has somewhat always been a question of whether the OOBE is just something concocted by the mind, is there empirical evidence that one truly leaves the body?  

Im not knocking astral projection, in fact, I find it HIGHLY interesting.  I went out and bought Robert Bruce's book within 30 minutes of learning that it exsisted.  I read pretty much the whole thing, cover to cover, in one night.  I've also stumbled my way here, in search for other answers.  I have found a brain wave stimulation software package and presetes for F3-F27.  I assume these numbers indicate level of trance, or level of meditation and introspection.  What I did today when I tried to have an OOBE:  I started just the F27A from the presets posted by Adrian, I let them run for an hour while i worked on relaxing, clearing my head, concentrating, etc.  It is a suprising feeling, the first time in my life when my whole body goes numb and heavy and yet Im wide awake and thinking.  I believe at this point in a trance state.  Working hard to stimulate the energy in my body and in my brow center, although I dont quite "know or feel" how to do it yet, I just imagine it, and I can get to the heart beating very fast and hard stage, a point where I feel like I am floating right above my physical body.  I cannot however, project out, and If I am, Im not overcoming the mind-split.  

Id like to hear comments, if any, and also I dont believe that there can be anything wrong with listening to F27 or even more stimulating low frequency binaural beats for any length of time.  Some people say, hey bud these are Theta range, dont go for longer than 15 mins.  Today, I did F27 for a straight hour, which to me only felt like 10 minutes.  There can't be any harm in that, because when I wake up, my brain should naturally restore and begin to function on whatever alertness is needed at the time.  Its a natural process.   However, I need some more expert opinion.  Again, thanks everyone.

John