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I've experienced OBE for many years and often encountered that The Alice effect. It's strange but I have very rarely projected to astral plane. Usually I stay close to the body and then something happens and I get involved in some scary action. I write this letter to those projectors, who experience the same.
I discovered, that The Alice effect is simply occasion to start working with the content of subconscious. Try to imagine what THINGS are stored there. I did some experiments and came to some conclusions which I would like to consult with others. I would like to propose this as a topic for discussion. So please, let me know how many of you, dear OBE explorers, would be interested.
Best wishes,
Tomasz

I am not as wise and experienced in OBE as Robert Bruce but according to my experience – mostly real time OBE – there is no contradiction in Robert Bruce explanations. I discovered the same, that my body is just mind projection. When you're out of body, then whatever mind activity causes disturbances and problems. I know that I am a point of consciousness, but I act as if I were the body. The source of pain is exactly the same. Pain is not apparent from the body – if you have (or think you have) the body, then pain is only a consequence, because it is the only source of pain – the body. I know that you may still say that it is the body that feels the pain via the Silver Cord. I don't know how to prove that it is not the case but the evidence is that any signal from the body via the Silver Cord causes immediate return and awakening.
My comment is as follow. One can never understand planes beyond physical, because our understanding is physical. In OBE you're in the realm of pure mind, so whatever you experience, originates from the mind. Now you try to create a picture of other planes in your mind and see contradictions. But contradiction is in a picture and not in Robert Bruce words. That picture is simply assembled with not proper pieces. They are your concepts and ideas derived from your physical experience. They simply don't suit. When I had my first OBE I didn't know what was that, but it was something that made my mind unable to understand. At the same time it was something that made my heart more open to accept, even things which I don't understand.
Tomasz

Hi FT,
If you have in mind what Robert Bruce calls the real time OBE, then I think the same. I think that most of my OBE experiences are those real time, which are also called NDE. Usually subconscious interferes and I fall into Wonderland. Things which then happen may really drive one crazy.
Tomasz