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I read a post called " how I got out for the first time" and thought it was a wonderful read, offering a different perspective on getting out. I have a ton of vivid dreams, 1 or2 lucid dreams, thats it. I've been trying for 3. Years with no results to have a  OBE , and belive m e ,it's not for lack of trying. I was hoping others could give their experiences on how they got out for the first time, their  method, time of day , etc. I know others who project easily make it sound so simple like : wake up, don't move,keep eyes closed, and poof, your out! For others like myself, it's not that easy, having tried that method, plus many others. If others could respond on how they got out for the first time, it would be really appreciated by myself and countless others who are struggling with this issue. Thanks: dean

I assume its just a change of our conscience,moving from our physical reality ,to a non-physical environment . When we stay awake,move to the non-physical  and our conscience comes along , it's a AP, when we go to sleep, we just remember fuzzy things from our adventures, and call them dreams. The kitchen chair thing, by the way was something I tried several years ago, just to show others how determined I was to AP. somewhere I read not to get too comfortable trying to AP or you'll just fall asleep, I guess I over did it a bit?

Ive tried to AP ,what seems forever, 2-3 years, with no luck. Having read Robert Bruce, how to AP in 90 days , alpng with other books,he stresses the importance of raising your energy,thru energy bouncing etc.  I have a hard time doing this for any length of time , usually just a minute or so, cause I guess I'm kind of sceptical, and I think this is just a waste of time. For others out there, is this an important part of your AP process? . I guess if I hear from a lot of AP -ers that this really helps , I could take it more seriously . Thanks

I've been trying to AP for 3 years now with nothing, I've had several lucid dreams, that's it. I used to get up at 3  am and meditate on a kitchen chair, i read that somewhere, thats how much ive tried to AP. I feel like crying when I read all of the adventures of people who can AP. I ve spent a ton of money on all books etc. someone mentioned the hemi sync series  (what is that ? ) series for $ 500, but you can get it for free on the inet. I don't want to spend any more $ on AP stuff (I'd pay the $500 if I knew it would work )? . I have a ipad, can I get the hemi sync on it?  Can someone help me out with this?  I'm new to Astral pulse, could you send a reply to deanwttck@ gmail.com. I'm new to forums , and I'm scared someone may respond, and I'll never see it?