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Thanks for your response Escape Velocity, I'm working on my intent right now and I'm thinking about a few possibilities. Reuniting with old friends, family and pets, meeting my higher self or visiting some obscure astral domain in the heavens all sound like worthy journeys 

Meeting my higher self may present some extra challenges if what I've read is true. That being when you visit your higher self you have to go like a thousand million miles per an hour in an upward thrusting motion. Not sure I could make the trip. But then again I didn't even know what Astral Projection was three years ago.

Thanks for the quick response Xanth, and that makes sense. It's odd because I've been having lucid dreams when I'm not expecting them lately. And last night before I feel asleep I said to myself, do I want to go through my affirmations? And I decided not to because I've been sick lately and I need my sleep.

Anyways, I do think that a part of me wasnt into it last night and so my experience reflected my desire.

So, last night I started to have a lucid dream, and I began to repeat awareness now, awareness now until the dream scenery disappeared. And it did but all of a sudden I couldn't see anything. Everything was dark, but I didn't feel like I was in the void, it felt like somewhere. So I repeated clarity now, clarity now, but nothing became clear. It still appeared I was in a dark nowhere. After a few more clarity now's I got scared and returned to my body.

A few questions

Next time this happens should I command a place or person or concept I want to visit?

Im interested in visiting the BST or other places where non earth bound spirits are existing in. From what I've read you go to where your energy takes you so to speak. Is that correct or is there more to it? Can you visit anywhere in the astral just by commanding it?

Thanks Bran,

That actually makes sense to me. I often do think what will "US" be in the next life. Will there still be an us as we are an us now? And not just me and my wife but me and my son too. The Father son relationship is one that has special meaning in time. I'm sure neither of these relationships will be the same. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. The love that we share as a family will still be real and that's the point, yeah.

So at least once a month (sometimes more) for the past IDK decade I'll have a dream that my wife left me and I'm alone and desperate. I always turn to the Internet dating sites in hopes of finding a new mate, and every time I'm at this point in the dream I'm thinking I can't believe its come to this. You know, the whole how and the hell did I blow it with my wife and now I'm this desperate for someone.

Anyways the thing is I've been mattered for nine years. We've had our ups and downs, but lately our marriage has been almost ideal. Yet I had this dream 2 nights ago. Is there something else that this dream could mean other than the obvious, Interpretation of step up my game as a husband or face the prospect of online dating. IDK.

The other night I dreamt I was married to my ex girlfriend and she left me, and I was upset over the prospect of only seeing my son a few times a month and the dream ended with me creating an online profile on a dating site.

The only outside the box interpretation I can think of is that I'm looking for God/True love on the Internet instead of looking within. And this dream is calling me to look within I stead of spending hours looking at message boards like this one.

Thoughts???

Thanks for the response Volgerle and for the link. And that makes sense that our subconscious creates in the Astral too. I'll check out that text and Kurt Leland, this is the first time I've heard of him.

Ok, that makes more sense, for some reason Ive never thought of their being more than one consciousness in my dream. But than again I've seen friends and pets who have passed on in my dreams except those dreams seemed more physical.

Thanks for the clarification.

Sometimes my dreams seem to personal and private to be shared but who knows. Also in the in between states between waking and sleeping, I notice what Im seeing is thought reactive and see crazy vivid images flash before me. Which can lead me to believe, I'm creating my own dreams.

Xanth, that does confuse me a bit, but it also reminds me a bit of A Course In Miracles, The Matrix, Hinduism, Buddhism and of course Edgar Allan Poe.

I' m still confused about what you and others believe dreams to be exactly. I believe it was you or Szaxx who started this whole adventure by taking their dreams seriously and by not seeing a difference between the waking world and the dream world.

It still confuses me and if you could answer the question of who or what creates the world of the dream in your opinion it might help me understand your point of view.

So, in reading up on theories regarding the dreamworld most people here agree that the dream world and the astral world are the same or similar. And in fact everyone travels Astrally every night when they're dreaming. Which would lead me to conclude that our dreamworlds and actors are not created by our subconscious in the moment of the dream. I would argue that most of my dreams are in fact the creation of my subconscious. I think there's a part of us that is always creating because we are naturally creative beings. My dreams seem to to be created by me and serve one of the following functions:

1. Resolution of a past problem that cannot be resolved- the dream rewrites and desires to rewrite my past, especially situations where I messed up again and again.
2. Wish Fullfillment- Usually sexual dreams but sometimes having to do with playing high school sports for example because I never did.
3. Processing the Day Dreams- These dreams replay the day in strange ways sometimes and at other times in sensible ways.
4. Fantasy- lastly dreams that are fed by the imagination to create something else.

My dreams almost always fit in one of those categories. So it tells me these are personal places in my subconscious that I'm visiting not a pre existing place  in the astral world.

How does the other side of the argument go? Are these dreamworlds in the Astral Plane and Are they already created? Were they created by our subconscious? Are the people in our dreams our creation and therefore only existing within the dream and not real so to speak. And if someone could answer the title questions too I'd appreciate it.

Thx

JT

Thanks for your reply Szaxx,

And yeah I was very impressed with myself when I woke up. I was like OMG I did it. Not only was I brave enough to speak the magic words to take control of the dream, when I did it I was brave enough to believe in myself and my natural abilities. Last time I astral projected I started to fly uncontrollably and I got scared and gave a back to body command. This time I asked for help, got it, and took control of the speed of the experience. And it's ironic too that my helper said he was me. Makes me think a part of me is already there having a good laugh at the other part of me. 

Monday Morning I woke up and couldn't believe what I was remembering and than I got my smartphone out right away and took some notes of my OBE. FYI, a year and a half ago I was able to experience a few OBE, but the exit sounds, sleep paralysis and the strange noises I heard while out scared me to the point where I just started thinking about trying to go out of body again. So this experience did come out of nowhere, I haven't been meditating or saying affirmations I've just been thinking about trying these things again. Anyways here's my notes from my phone journal that I keep.

Wow,

So I caught myself dreaming and started to control my dream. I started flying like usual and than I got brave and commanded awareness now repeatedly and the dream started to disintegrate slowly and I walked through it and entered an outside scene. There were thousands of stars twinkling and vibrating and the entire atmosphere had a pulse/vibration to it and it was indescribably beautiful. Everything in the atmosphere was breathing.

All of a sudden I took off and started flying and than I flew towards the stars at an uncomfortable speed. I got scared and told myself to slow down and asked for help. A person came to me and helped me control my flying and asked me where I wanted to go. I went to the college I attended 15 years ago and flew around the campus and landed at my fraternity house. The guy with me brought in three drunk girls into the house. Then he went into a bedroom with two and left me there with a girl who was extremely drunk. I was like what am I suppose to do with this. I asked her a few questions and it was clear that she was out cold and so I left and the dream ended.

I remember going back to my body and slowly waking up and being able to be at ease with the paralysis. I went back to sleep and had another dream. All in all it was an amazing experience and I can't believe it all happened without any work. Which leaves me convinced that work isn't really needed, not in the traditional sense, I think all one needs to project is a genuine desire and strong intention. Projecting doesn't need work, it's something we do very naturally.

A couple things about my experience:

1. The college I visited was the scene of one of the most traumatic events of my life, but we didn't even talk about it there. I just did something there that I've never done, go home with three coeds.

2. My helper told me that he was me.

3. When I first me my helper we talked about all sorts of interesting things and I forgot most of them upon awakening.

Thanks Szaxx,

I appreciate your empathy and advice. Which is why I started this thread to ask for help, not a reevaluation of my definition of mental illness, followed by virtual fist bumps of those who believe something different about mental illness than me.

I do have a supportive family and extended family Szaxx, so I'm set there. I'll try incorporating some non wheat carbs into my diet, as well as eating healthy fats.

Also, another reason for me wanting to go astral to resolve my conflicts. I try and make a point of knowing myself and maybe this is a way for the unknown parts of me to come forward, be counted and resolved.

Sunshaker
CFtraveler
Lionheart

You must have little to no experience in dealing with mental illness. And Lionheart, you claim to be doing retrievals with suicide victims and claim to have success with this. Not buying it. Sorry guys but I find this type of thought ignorant and offensive.

I can live without chocolate, I just hesitated to commit to this earlier because I had a deep craving for it. Anyways, thanks for the head up. I'm going to try a high protein, low sugar, low caffeine diet. I would try and go all organic, but the price of organic fruits and vegetables, yikes.

Sunshaker I appreciate the advice and up until five years or so ago that's how I felt about being Bipolar. But like I said earlier you have to respect a disease/disorder that kills twenty percent of the people who have it. I may not be mainstream, but I'm trying to live a mainstream life. I love my wife and four year old son and would do anything to be there for them instead of driving them away.

Thanks for your advice Szaxx,

For the past few years I've had to take my mental disorder extremely seriously. I have found in the past that when I underestimate the effect of mood on my thinking and behavior I end up acting impulsively and can be dangerously destructive. So for the past few years I have kept a mood journal along with keeping track of taking my medication daily. It's easy to do on my smartphone. Anyways, one thing I haven't done is to include a food journal or incorporate that into my mood journal. I think that's a really wise idea and will start to do so. I'm sure I'll find a correlation with mood and food  within the first few weeks.

I don't have the funds to go on the same diet I was on before. However, I think it is wise to give up wheat and see if it helps, candy too, except for chocolate in small amounts.

I've always wanted to find the variable or variables leading to my mood swings. This should helps. And if not at least I'm trying something new as there's hope in that.

I have. I went on an organic, gluten free, low sugar, low caffeine diet and it worked very well for a few months and then it just sort of stopped and the mood swings continued.

Hello,

I saw a similar thread about social anxiety here and thought maybe I could get some help or at least some advice in dealing with this illness. I've suffered from some form of depression my whole life and was diagnosed as Bipolar at the age of 19. So for 14 years now I've been seeing a psychiatrist and every two to three years I have to switch medications because my body/brain seems to build up a tolerance to it. I've reached a wall now where I'm in the process of switching meds again but in the meantime life is just very irritating for me in general. From work, to marriage and even being a father. I've been having anger outbursts and just feel off. As you probably know it takes a while for new psych meds to work.  And I'm just looking for help anywhere I can get it.I'm new to meditating and do realize this can help me.
Please send me help, insight, positivity, serenity etc from the astral if possible. I'm open to any advice if you got it.

Thanks for your response Stillwater, that makes sense that one would eventually, if not rather quickly recognize that what you are conversing is responding to your every thought and therefore must be an illusion of some sort. I've been wondering lately that if I die before my wife would I know her again in the astral/spirit world beyond a doubt? And seeing as the Astral/Spiritual world is thought responsive I began to second guess this. I'm sure I will know her from my own thoughts of her though.

I'm familiar with Descartes and after watching The Matrix for the first time in 99 it blew my mind. However after I read A Course In Miracles (ACIM) my questions to the whole the world is an illusion thing were answered in an empowering way. I've sort of been looking for a paradigm that disproves that tenants of ACIM and have not found one yet.

Last question here about the astral world and it being thought responsive is, Does it take intention into account? Or does it just project your thoughts outward one by one as they occur?

Hello Astral Pulse,

This phrase comes up frequently throughout the posts on this forum and throughout the astral literature. However, no one goes beyond the obvious. So, if the astral world is thought responsive, can we........
1. Fool ourselves by creating loved ones and familiar environments and then become stuck there due to our own mis creations and inability to recognize them as our mis creations?
2. If so how do we know we haven't done that already and are in fact the product of one mind who is experiencing its afterlife?
3. Does the astral respond to our thoughts as language or the actual real object that the language represents?
4. Why would the medium of creation(The Multiverse) respond to thought in the form of language? IDK, this assertion seems like we put ourselves, culture and the timeframe we live in as the center of the universe.

Any clarification to the Astral being thought responsive would help.

I think Earth is a school where our souls/consciousness comes to, to play. Earth is perfect as is and doesn't need to evolve or for us to change it as a learning tool it is perfect. We are perfect too but don't realize that as is. No lesson needs to be learned or experience to be had in order to create a better self or become enlightened. We already are enlightened and have voluntarily left this knowledge in some other place. I don't know this for sure, just a hunch.

I believe we are here and incarnate because we enjoy playing the game. True joy is the discovery and rediscovery of who you are, what your purpose is, and that it's impossible for us to lose ourselves and the loving thoughts and souls whom we hold dear.

I teach 6th grade World History and not because I like the subject, it's okay, but at this point it one of the only subjects that doesn't have a standardized based assessment so I still have freedom in how I teach it. And it's not as stressful because I'm not worried about test results, so I can focus on my interactions with the kids more.

I feel for reading and math teachers 

Thank you for your responses Lionheart, Szaxx, and Astralzombie, it's very cool indeed to hear back from you three first, as I feel like I know you already from reading your posts the past few months. I'm ready to get back to meditating with the purpose of preparing myself for more OOBE/Projections now. The fear I experienced from being out of my body for even a few seconds was so intense and so irrational it's hard to put in words. I even felt like once I got back in my body and into paralysis that I would snap out of my body again.

For some reason I just wasn't expecting to be scared of being out of body, and it could have been because I went straight from a lucid dream to being out of my body. I've also had an experience where I was flying in the dream state recognized it, said awareness now repeatedly and I was outside my house floating out of my body. I was definitely not ready for this either and jolted back into my body. So I'm going to try it again but in the early morning, on the weekends. I'll let you guys know if I have any luck. Thanks again for everything you all have been doing to contribute to this website. It's a golden resource for me and many many others I'm sure.

Hello,

I have admired this site from a visitors point of view since August now and I love everything I have read thus far, not only is the material here entertaining and inspiring, everyone seems positive and helpful. It seems like the members here really care about each other and their spiritual growth.

I had my first Astral Projection OOBE in September. I tried some of Buhlman's techniques. Specifically the thirty minute meditation for thirty days one. I tried to meditate around the same time each day and used affirmations and visualization techniques during meditation times. I woke up things within me that I thought were only possible with drugs. But my first OOBE experience did not happen until I was sleeping around 20 days in the 30 day meditation. I caught myself dreaming which used to be almost never for me now I lucid dream a few times a week. Anyways I gave the command "awareness now"once I realized I was dreaming and dream quickly vaporized and I awoke in SP. Wow, was that some scary excrement. I did the roll out technique and was shocked that it actually worked, shocked and very very frightened. I heard strange noises, it sounded like a child screaming and adults talking right outside my house. I also felt like something was watching me and couldn't see anything. So after a few seconds out I freaked out and returned to my body, but I remained in SP for what seemed like forever.

After a few more experiences like this one I've decided to stop for a while until I work through that fear. My motivation for wanting to project is for the thrill of it and I wish to get in touch with my higher self.

Hello Astral Pulse,

I'm happy to make my first post here at this site that gas entertained me for hundreds of hours recently and has really captivated my mind and has helped to create a new paradigm for me.

I have been teaching 6th grade for eight years now and feel like this post's topic is something I've given some thought to and have heard both sides of the argument. For starters our young people's social skills have not or are not currently deteriorating. As part of my job I have to help supervise morning duty for twenty minutes every work day. I observe 600 literally 600 6th graders interacting with one another. Nothings changed in the 21 years since I've left. Still the same social mores only using your smart phone is part of it. These kids aren't substituting social interaction for using their smart phone they are doing both. It's really quite something too watch.

As far as observing nature and being an observer I think we all need to realize that most people wouldn't look at Nature the same way most of us would anyways smart phones or no smart phones. The Emerson's and Thoreau's are one in a thousand and those who can simply appreciate nature maybe 1 and 50. And I think it's probably always been this way.

Lastly, driving and being 16, yikes. Phones don't help the matter but I could never concentrate on the road for long as a teenager, I think it's just attention span and priorities at that age. It's so hard to understand that our car can be a weapon of mass destruction so to speak.