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I too went to a Health Forum for answers after a quite adventurous 3 day event back in 2011. This board was "Webmed.com". I made a post there with near the same symptoms. After about a month, a member there mentioned the AstralPulse.com forums, so I came here and finally found my answers.

The sensation you are feeling is known as the "lead blanket" and is a symptom/signpost of Sleep Paralysis. We experience SP while becoming consciously aware spontaneously either starting to or returning from a shift in consciousness, otherwise known as a projection.

These threads here will help you understand more about this phenomenon: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

I came up with a few SP hits when searching for this, but this is why I'm skeptical. how is this a sleep paralysis if I don't ever exit my body? i just feel really really heavy and it's a really freaked out feeling. it makes uncomfortable and almost nauseous. how to exit the body once you experience these sensations? I'd love to get back into OBEing, but i just don't have the energy or time. one thing that works is napping and then going back to sleep visualizing. but i got insomnia so falling asleep is not the easiest thing to do for me. marijuana helps but i been doing it a lot lately and need a break... thanks for your reply, though. i'm gonna read both of the threads you linked.

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just thought i'd mention this, and you may wanna google both of these numbers and find their spiritual significance

[Ever since I was a kid, this happens to me in a very rare times. maybe once or a year or so. I feel every part of my body is 10x heavier, my arms, legs, butt, torso, and the whole body. I feel like I weight a ton. It really feels odd, and I just either try to fall asleep or get up and shake it off. the only thing I could come up with is health boards and medical help, which is useless! i don't like western medical advice because it doesn't explain anything. "it just happens, and we don't know why". so I was wondering if anyone here knows what this thing is. this is all i could find when it comes to spiritual answer]

Ever since I was a kid, this happens to me in a very rare times. maybe once or a year or so. I feel every part of my body is 10x heavier, my arms, legs, butt, torso, and the whole body. I feel like I weight a ton. It really feels odd, and I just either try to fall asleep or get up and shake it off. the only thing I could come up with is health boards and medical help, which is useless! i don't like western medical advice because it doesn't explain anything. "it just happens, and we don't know why". so I was wondering if anyone here knows what this thing is. this is all i could find when it comes to spiritual answer

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/sleep-disorders/247305-body-feels-heavy-when-falling-asleep-help.html

maybe i need to get back into meditating every day. i don't know.. i haven't done OBEs in a while, and they come and go on their own if I don't practice. too busy trying to find ways to get money and get abundance atm. OBEs is the last thing on my mind at this point in my life. but I'm still interested. just finished an OBE book over the summer. but anyway. if anyone with some expeirence with this issue, i'd like to hear your input. thanks.

I would be more concerned about the SSRIs affecting your dream memory and consistency than MJ. some say that it affects your dream recollection, but I am skeptical. Marijuana affects everyone differently and varies by stands. I'm sure that some strains impare your memory while others may enhance it. More research needs to be done before making these claims of psychic "soot". Then come your experience with the substance...

which strands exactly "enhance" your memory? or are you jus speculating? I only lose Dream Recall the more I smoke. if I don't smoke for long periods of time, I could remember almost all my dreams, or at least in the 70-80% range. on MJ, it's more like 20-30%. I still have OBEs though, or even LDs...

You should be able to use Marijuana multiple times daily without it affecting your ability to astral project. I have heard rumours that Marijuana prevents you from having dreams. This is simply not true, I have high awareness dreams every night.

Marijuana can actually be quite helpful for entering a trance I find. It increases your ability to focus on the non physical by amplifying your thoughts and reducing normal physical sensation. Using self hypnosis videos on youtube I have found that a 20 second hypnosis session with Marijuana will put you into a trance that would normally take 10-20 minutes to achieve with regular meditation for me.

I have also heard of people combining edibles with isolation tanks to have astral projections. This is coming from people who have never heard of astral projection and are not actually trying to induce it. It is spoken about often on the Joe Rogan podcast.

first of all... bonk JOE ROGAN!

second, while MJ may work for you, doesn't interfere with APs, and helps people concentrate, it also hinders your Dream Recall enormously. plus, it's really difficult to meditate after smoking for me, and lots of other people.

and remember, in order to achieve AP, you must have excellent Dream Recall. if you don't have that, I'd highly recommend staying away from MJ.

did you always have such strong visions in meditations?

if you wanna project you gotta nap first for a few hours. wake up, and THEN start practicing. without a nap, there is tiny chance youll have AP.

everybody is different. experiment and find what works for you. your body is unique and functions in a unique way, is what I learned anyway.

what I do is... go to sleep an hour after coming from work. so many around 6:30 or 7pm. wake up automatically 3 hours later. stay away 2-4 hours. go back to sleep. almost a guaranteed to AP. or some days I'd wake up on the weekend, and fall back asleep to nap a few hours later I would OBE. it rarely works if I just go back to sleep after waking or even 10-30 mins later like some suggest.

When I first started projecting (and had a bad fear problem) I learned to use a slight loss of consciousness to get myself out without fear. When SP would set in, I'd be fully conscious, and knowing soon there would be loud noises and unpleasant sensations, I'd begin to let sleepiness set in.  This comforted me, took the fear away, and I didn't experience any unpleasantness. At the end of the process when I lost all sensation of my physical body, I'd either roll out or do nothing and just find myself in a new reality.  My consciousness was low -as you said- but as soon as I saw my new surroundings an excitement would hit me and I'd instantly jump to full lucidity. 

You can program your subconscious to do it this way if you have the intent beforehand.  Just imagine the excitement of your new reality and tell yourself that you will have instant full lucidity once you cross over.  It works if you believe it will.  You'll need to experiment with just how much consciousness you can lose.  Lose too much and you fall asleep for good, as I'm sure you know.  I was able to get sleepy and actually fall asleep for a few seconds right before, and as I was crossing over.  My subconscious programming would still work and instantly bring me to full lucidity once I was in my new reality.

Note - what I call subconscious programming could also be help from a guide.  When ever I run into a bump in the road with AP I always ask for help and have never failed to get it -one way or the other.

Thanks. I asked my guides for help, but nothing happened. I ask a lot, but it rarely works. I think they want me to master this on my own instead of them pulling me out of my body like before. Otherwise, I'll always depend on them doing all the work.

from 30 seconds, to a few minutes, to 5 mins, to 10 mins, and once I had about a 30 minute OBE, at least it seemed like it. I think the more experience you are, the longer you can stay in. I also have this theory that the more you meditate and spiritually evolve, the longer you could OBE. but that takes a lot of work.

how do you have one after another OBEs like that? I only was able to do it once. other times I usually just have one experience and then fall back asleep. lately though I could pull off having 2 OBEs in a row.

and I feel you about seeing your body. listening to Robert Monroe talking about his first experience makes me think that that's how all OBEs are for beginners. but all I seen was my bed and my sheets, and even they didn't look like the ones in the RTZ.

tried the 'dont think of body' last night. didn't work. i got out slowly on 2nd attempt, but it was one of those rare moments and i lost consciousness down to about 30% and everything went black. at least I wasn't freaking out. my goal from now on is to remain calm at all times. much easier said than done, of course.

I'm still confused as to what exactly I am supposed to do.

that's like saying, "stop letting what's holding you back in life control you." anyone could say that, but to actually do it takes many lifetimes to learn. lol.. I got more... "live your life the way you want to", "stop caring what people think of you".

but I am having a hard time having OBEs in which I am not bound to even my physical astral body. going through walls is hard for me. I'd much rather touch the door knob and open the door like it's there. much easier and no struggle. tried walking through walls before with not much success.

I don't understand. what you mean 'drop the body'? you mean just lay there stuck?

how long do you meditate, and how often? also, what method do you use in order to have these experiences? I used to meditate every day for a few years, then stopped. it was vipassana method by following my breath, with eyes closed next to a candle. now I got back into it, and meditate almost every night with a Samatha method staring at a candle's flame.

I remember when I was stuck when I first started to have OBEs. once I started trying the 'roll out' method, it was super easy from then on. rolling out was THE easiest method to leave my body. but now... IT STOPPED WORKING! it is probably the HARDEST method now. The rope technique, which was the hardest, is now the easiest, but it doesn't work most times, so it still is hard.

here is what happens. Vibrations come > I am in my body looking at the ceiling > right away I could see through my physical eyes and with my astral ones into the astral world. Things look different. I could even lift my astral arms up slowly and move them around; sometimes fast just like I would in the physical world. But I am stuck within my physical body. it's almost as if I am in a sleep paralysis mode, but 1) I could move my arms, and 2) I could wake up anytime. Rolling out doesn't work. It's almost as if I am glued to my body. I even tried levitating last time. Nothing. I just feel the bed beneath my back. Maybe it's because I have fear. I don't know. the only thing I could do is visualize levitating, visualize the rope technique, visualize, but it doesn't work. I feel like I need to literally do something with my astral body in order to project, but I am stuck.

I also have a theory that my spirit guides want me to master leaving my body, which I haven't yet. I think many times they yanked me out, so it wasn't me doing it. And many times when I leave my body by rolling out, I am only conscious of my OBEs around 30%, not like being in a physical body. Maybe once I really learn how to leave my body thoroughly, my consciousness in OBEs will go up, or even be 100%? anybody ever had that experience? because dreamy OBEs suck, and at some point I lose awareness and start dreaming.

takin a nap after I come from work works the best. Something about sleeping during a day makes my body automatically wake up within 3 hours. and after that I can't sleep again for a while. this only happens during the day at around 6 or 7pm... I'd wake up around 9 or 10 by default. If I were to go to sleep at night, that would be a different story...

That's an outstanding clairvoyant experience soarin!

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I would like to suggest a few ideas to consider:

1) When talking about Monroe's experiences, you have to keep in mind that he was an exception, an extraordinary natural talent at all the various AP experiences. It was not until his third book, I think, that he came to understand his special relationship with his soul-group/Disc and that he was a kind of explorer or pathfinder for them, searching far ahead into the NP. I'm not trying to minimize your efforts or suggest limits as to what you might be capable of, but it's like watching Tiger Woods hit amazing golf shots and being disappointed that you can't do the same. So, don't be too hard on yourself.

2) Much of the OBE literature suggests the idea that once a person begins having more 'astral' experiences, they leave behind the ability or need to operate in the RTZ, wherever that may be. It's very hard to go back. Now I'm not saying that's the hard and fast rule, I don't know; but many projectors experiences tend to confirm this.

3) Another idea, put forth a few years ago in Kurt Leland's The Multidimensional Human, suggests that the Theosophical view of the development of the hierarchy of NP bodies moves from the etheric (RTZ) to the astral, the mental, the causal and so on...and that each bodies' development is linked to the development of a corresponding chakra. This leads to the possibility that even though you are experiencing astral events, your etheric body/chakra is still undeveloped, therefore you can't experience that 'plane' of being. So, work on that chakra would be necessary.

With that said, soarin12 is right. If you can focus your intent on doing this, you should find a way. Intent IS everything!

So, the next time you find yourself 'astral', declare out loud that you want to visit the RTZ. Or ask why you can't. You may get an answer...

Good luck!

thanks. the last part really helped. I will try this in my next OBE.

thanks soarin12, too.

2 tips and advices

1) do exactly as Raduga suggested. wake up after a few hours, drink a glass of water and back to sleep with an intention of projecting. then the second you wake up again, try to separate without opening your eyes or moving your body. the best and most easiest method for me is rolling side to side, which is confusing in Raduga's book since he doesn't verbalize it this way. just roll your body side to side as you're laying on your back and you should roll out with your astral body onto the  floor. other methods that worked for me were... the rope technique, imagine there is a rope going to the ceiling, visualize extending your astral arms, and pull your astral body out by climbing the rope. and the third, but the most rarest working method, is to 'jump' into your visualization. but that would usually project you to the visualization itself, like a beach or another place. if you're a beginner, i'd suggest to sticking with projecting into your room/house. you want to explore step by step and not jump into the deepest ocean, if you know what i mean

2) experiment. yes, Raduga suggests you sleep 6 hours, and stay awake for 30 mins. but from experimenting, i found that the best method FOR ME is to sleep 3-4 hours, and stay awake 3-4 hours as well. i dont even need to do Raduga's method anymore, because as i go back to sleep and relax, my body tends to go into the vibrational stage and i would have an OBE. everybody's body is different. you gotta find what YOUR body prefers and how YOUR body functions. for example, staying up 5-10 minutes for me doesn't work. i just go back to sleep. and staying up for 30 minutes is even worse, because I have a really really really hard time falling back asleep for a few hours at least. so, like i said, experiment and find what works best for you. but do stick to Raduga's method for now, unless you already had a bunch of OBEs.

I guess I want to experience what Robert Monroe experienced regarding the time frame he could OBE for (hours and hours), when I only have obes that last minutes (30 minutes only once). and also how deep he went, experiencing and witnessing the process of reincarnation and graduation he talks about in his second book. seems like all I experience, except for a few, is just a bunch of OBEs that are extensions of my thoughts.

*sigh*

not in my experience.

I had my animal spirit guide (totem) show up only ONCE in one OBE. I haven't seen it since. I have seen it in dreams and stuff. but I think it was just to show me who she was, so that I would be more connected to self and know self on a level I never thought I would. best part about it is, it worked.

so long time ago when I first posted here someone said that when you have an OBE in which you can see things as they are in the physical world, it is called a "Real Time Zone". but I have never had this experience. It's always me experiencing the astral world and things are different than they are in the physical. many times i get out and everything is darkish and blurry. it's like i'm stuck in a painting that is black and grey. other times it's like a dream, but in a clear way. only a few times i had experiences where I thought i was in the RTZ, but it seemed like it was somewhere else. where, I don't know. what I mean is, everything was crystal clear, but I could've been in a parallel reality or a different planet with humans. on one occasion I was on a different planet, that I know for sure.

anyone know how I could get out from the Astral world and into the RTZ? Robert Monroe mentioned it in his second book as 'second body' or he would leave his second body, or get into it, I forgot.

I used MJ before and had OBEs the same night of smoking it. I only smoked 2-3 x per week, though. not sure about your meds...

weed wont effect your OBEs unless you abuse the heck out of it imo.

LDs - 5-30 secs. then I start dreaming or wake up

OBES - 30 secs - 5 mins.

I did have an OBE that was like 20 mins, though. the greatest OBE ever. generally, neither of these last long and it makes me wonder why that is and how I can improve staying in longer...

I was watching Robert Monroe's story of how it all happened with him, and he mentions at around 5 mins in that the vibrations were not physical, but internal. is that true? because i swear i feel like my body is vibrating when it happens. and i never had a friend or anyone to look at me or film me while im vibrating. it would be nice to get a infared cam and record self at night to see if my body is shaking:P

omg  so many of u here dont nap.

NAPS ARE KEY TO AP!!!

take a  3-4 hr nap before practicing

read http://research.obe4u.com/practical-guidebook/


u welcome