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I do honestly think it is unfair to have a MindPlace and Kasina discussion on this Laxman forum. It just seems hostile and I don't mean it that way really. Neutronics has a good product.

Starting another thread would probably be best.

Wow, Scott. What a hostile response !  

All I was doing was giving my opinion about the Kasina.

I didn't expect a MindPlace salesman to jump down my throat and say he has to "set the record straight".

I haven't set the record 'crooked'. I'm sorry if my opinion wasn't what you wanted to hear.

I know about MindPlace, but thank you for the lecture. I had an Orion many years ago and recently used a friend's Procyon, which I thought was very good. Unfortunately, the Kasina just doesn't measure up, though I'm sure it's good for musicians.

BTW, I have read your forums and that's where I got the impression that it's been developed mostly as an entertainment machine.

Well, it certainly sounds like you did!

I'm sorry that my comments about the Kasina have dampened your sales pitch.

Really? Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. The customer is always right and you took the right action in returning the product.

I only wish that people who may not know MindPlace to get a taste of our company. It is in fact my responsibility that we go on the record.

You spoke of the design intentions of MindPlace when we made the Kasina. That was your perception and I hope we can improve on creating a fuller impression. However, as a member of the design team and also on behalf of all the other designer's I wanted it to be known that this was not entirely accurate. The Kasina was not designed to be for only a light show. It is a serious mind machine and likely the most advanced one created up to this point.

Peace to you, Phaedrus. Again I thank you for trying out the Kasina and for your past purchases with our company. What I said to Lionheart applies to you as well... absolutely no hard feelings.

Scott

Neuroasis, I have nothing but positive things to say about the Kasina and especially the help and service you guys give to your many users!  smiley

I just felt that I didn't need such a "high tech" device, since my Laxman was already doing what I wanted it to do. The Kasina is far superior in programming and is way more user friendly than the Laxman, especially when it comes to creating new sessions.

My decision was solely based on preferring the visuals of the Laxman. Also having 2 units means that one gets shelved and ma and pa have to be more careful with their limited funds.

I hope there are no hard feelings here!

Hi Lionheart,
No hard feelings at all, of course not! You gave the Kasina a very fair chance and it just didn't fulfill the need you had. That happens and is why we offer a very hassle free warranty and return policy. People have different needs, goals and preferences.

I only did want to be clear that we are far more than a fly-by-night entertainment company jumping on an 'instant enlightenment' bandwagon or selling 'novelty' technology. We take our product's and user's results very seriously. Even those who don't like our products. We learn from everything.

High regards,
Scott

I've tried a Kasina and, like Lionheart, I've returned it. I got the feeling that it's more of an 'entertainment' machines and  been designed by people who are really interested in music and wanted a light show to accompany the audios.

Hi Phaedrus,
I'm really surprised you came to that conclusion  Let me set the record straight. MindPlace is one of the original mind machine inventors and has been producing this technology for more than 20 years. Much longer than Neurotronics. We have consistently been the pushing the envelope on this technology the whole time. To the limit we are allowed by US law we have pursued research studies, interactive live events, seminars, and always incorporated feedback from users in designing our next machine. The Kasina is the realization of many of the dreams this industry has had since the beginning.

Again, I am curious to know what gave you that impression? That the Kasina has music (actually soundscapes more than music) with many of the sessions? Did you engage us on our forum or ask any questions? You can ask here too as I am here to answer questions although I don't check here as often.

The Kasina can do most everything any machine on the market past or present can do and soooooo much more with the new SpectraStrobe standard. (all light channels controlled fully by audio) Granted, being a musician and having familiarity with music production software does help. And musicians would love the Kasina... but it is the next evolution of the mind machine.

Also, I want to let it be known that I was invited here by Lionheart. I did not invade this Laxman thread to push product, just in case anyone was wondering. For those who tried the Kasina, thank you very much.

Best regards,
Scott
MindPlace Developer and Support

So, anyway, no offense, but I did want to set the record straight about MindPlace and the Kasina.

Tahir,
I think your point has some validity. But also besides being able to assist one in entering a hypnotic or meditative state, mind machines offer the benefit of repeated state experimentation as well as 'suggestive imagery'. That is stimulating the visual centers to evoke 'after-images' to build upon.

LionHeart's session is particularly well designed for this purpose. It progressively lessens the contrast of the flicker over the session until at the 'working' part of the session you are being presented a field of mostly solid color, ie a Ganzfeld. (google that for research on the topic) Thus now you have a very suitable projection screen.

Also, in session design there would be no reason why you couldn't have the lights dim or turn off entirely during the 'work' segments.

Let's be clear here though.. it is not the mind machine that is doing the work for you. It is just a tool and you have to acquire the other necessary skills. Though as an assistive aid, especially at beginning/intermediate stages or during 'dry' periods, such a machine can be a potent ally.

Best regards,
Scott

Hi Lionheart,
Happy to do it! Will be very interested in people's experiences with the session on the Kasina.

Best regards,
Scott

Thanks Lionheart 

On the Kasina, because we now have the ability to fully utilize light entrainment and music integrated... not just superimposed as background tracks, then we can really begin to 'experiment' with advanced techniques beyond straight ramps.

Just so all know where we are coming from, MindPlace is one of the original developers of the mind machine and has been in business for nearly 25 years. I personally have only been 'employed' there for 3 years but have worked with mind machines since the beginning and it is my passion.

So, we have evolved over time with many styles and types of session and worked with some of the best minds in the industry. But, having said that, we also strive to be the most customer friendly company, so everybody's feedback and participation is much appreciated. We are very involved in the 'practical' aspects of mind machines, but we also love the 'trippy' art aspects too.

Sessions like A Starlight Night are 'full-on' mode and go for the 'wow' factor. Others on the machine are for specific purposes. What I refer to a protocols. However, it is a very subjective thing regardless of what some marketing would have you believe. Please let us know if there are particular things of interest to you as the Kasina will evolve a great deal over time.

if you have information frequency information on your L#3 session I can help you convert it.

Scott

Hi Lionheart and fellow journeyers,

My name is Scott Hendrickson aka Neuroasis. I am part of the development team for the mind machine company MindPlace. We are the makers of the new Kasina.
I am also one of the session creators for the onboard content.

Lionheart,  I am very interested to hear of your experiences with the tracks of mine you reference: A Starlight Night and Soliton for instance. All of the stuff in Mind Art category was created by me (I'm almost certain off the top of my head).

These tracks are a bit different and more complex - frequency and visual- wise - than what has been released before. Some new technology in the Kasina allowed us to do this. So, I am very interested in user reports. Especially experienced users like yourself.

I will also be willing to answer any questions that anyone has and hope to become an active member of this forum.

Thanks so much for taking the time to share your impressions of the Kasina.

Enjoy the ride,
Scott