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I have fairly limited experience in that field, but from my experiences in meditation, it's that it is really hard to stay focused when you have a change in the stimuli it receives (5 senses). Exemple, if I put some beats to meditate, when it ends, I won't keep my focus and snap out. It's kind of the same thing when I start "seeing things" with eyes closed in meditation, I have a hard time keeping the focus, or my eyes will start hyper-activating:twitching, opening and closing, which is impossible to keep the focus there. Same thing if something gets itchy or I get cold, I would assume the same would happen with all 5 senses.

For me, while I have it easy to concentrate or block my thought, I'm extremely sensitive of any change in what my 5 senses perceives. For exemple, if I hear a noise, Ill have to take a look or listen carefully to know what it is, more than most people I've known. It is very annoying while trying to meditate, but I account that as being unexperienced in that activity, practice should make me go through that flaw. We are not used too to vibrations and I guess getting them more often will make me accustomed to that feeling and will help me to not stop focusing while I experience those.  Anyhow, as a whole, I find that to begin with, meditating with repetitive beats (no lyrics) or sound help me focusing since my body doesnt need to analyze changes in what I perceive.  However, I believe practice and experience makes this less important on a long stretch.

The only stimulus that I can't "control" since its part of the process is when I see things eyes closed and they start to move all around wildly, opening, closing, like they are having a seizure if I can say. While I believe I can get used to not "look" controlling the twitches and all isn't of my resort. However, last time when it happened, I told myself inside that I wasnt seeing those things with my eyes, but with my brain and I've putted alot of intent towards that and I don't know if its luck, but my eyes eventually calmed down and I could proceed.

As you can see from the end of last paragraph, I really start to think that intent can be extremely important and powerful when trying to reach higher levels of awareness. That story with my eyes and when I experienced what is the most incredible experience that I personally had, push me strongly towards that intent is a very powerful tool for OBE. Considering that seeing through eyelids isnt typical, maybe all you lack is a strong intent to OBE with no fear in your heart and your mind.

It's pretty much the body of knowledge I have and that I believe is true for now. Like science this will most likely  change as I "train" toward OBE experience. However, more and more, I'm starting to realize that this relates on alot of concepts I've read from this forum, but explained and lived differently. I grasp more some things Ive read here that I found cryptic at first.

Hi,

I usually don't read others experiences, but your thread's title just made me have to do it. I can say that I relate alot about the experience you had and it looks very similar to mine, except I didnt get that far. (its written in this part of the forum, if you are interested). I didn't get that close to OBE, but I felt the same feeling of "not being in control", not as possession, about my experience. Thank you for sharing, I find it amazing to see how similar our experiences are, in my opinion.

Anyway I just wanted to tell you that, also, you look like in the same kind of mindset as me and I would find it interesting to hear more from you.

Have a nice day or evening,
ArkPhoenix

P.S. if you do go read my thread take my 2nd post as somekind of mini-analysis + hypothesis that I needed to free my mind of.

Hi ArkPheonix,
Have a read of this, it may put things in perspective.
Your post follows a similar course and the result of attempting the method may be worthwhile.

Just to be sure, do you mean your signature ? I guess so, since there is nothing else, but I just want to confirm.


NOTES for me:

I re-tried the same method last night, to see if I would have the same experience happen. I didn't get that same feeling of loss of control and I didn't hear a voice either. Nothing came easy either I had to focus and concentrate to get anything happen.

However, if I was focusing hard enough, I could get to see that "kaleidoscopic" 3D ish view again, but it would disapear very quickly if I loss my concentration. It's light green, kind of makes me remember of the Matrix writings color.  I still had that eye "hyperactivity" problem, meaning looking everywhere, opening on their own, but by focusing on seeing with my brain, more closely the pineal gland, it seemed to help alot, but it's still hard to achieve perfectly maybe with practice. While my eyes were more calm I achieved that 3Dish view to almost go "fullscreen", at best it's like each of my eyes had it, but there was a cut in the middle, a wave, I could think it was like the nose separating both eyes. I also managed to get "visions" of people..4...it wasnt long enough to know much about them, but longer than last time and it did come from me.

In the end, I still can't explain clearly what happened or how, but I think I have a theory to start piecing something together. It seems to have been a crashcourse on the first steps to phase or OBE, kind of a path to go through.

1)It started with seeing dots, white, then red...alot of colored lines....while I never saw red dots or colored lines in meditations, it fits with the white dots I do see sometimes. (might be step 1 ??)

2) Kaleidoscopic 3Dish view greenish(Matrix) with black background. This seems something key to me...the more I think of it there more it seems like an upgraded version of what I thought to be the 3D void...but more vivid, more real if that can makes sense. (might be step 2 ?? 3D void ??)

3) "Visions" in my head. 1st time it  seemed pretty random like 3d knobs on a wall or a door...up to 3 X 3, but it was too brief to really judge anything. Last night, I saw people 4...girls ?? I tend to go with girls, but too unclear to say, managed to have that image clear for near 5 sec.  it was like dreaming, but I wasnt asleep...proof I snapped out of it when I realized what happened. I need to keep my cool there. (phasing ? probably not, but meh how should I know ? stay opened there)

4) I had alot 1-2-3 mixed up in my amazing experience...nothing to say here, just keeping tab

--Could it be my subconscious or a spirit guide (?) helping me out to find the way? It could be, but I have to try in meditation tonight and see what this brings me to...if Im right I might see progress due to the higher awareness I can achieve through meditation.

Context:
I was watching videos last night and I was starting to be really tired to the point where I was beginning to drift away into sleeping and I had to rewind my video quite alot. I eventually decided that I should just sleep instead of fighting it. so I go to sleep, but just before I just think about that I would like to have someone from the planes to visit me in my dream. (can't remember what I asked for exactly, but it was close to guardian angel.


What I'm trying to analyze:
so I go to sleep, but just before I just think about that I would like to have someone from the planes to visit me in my dream. (can't remember what I asked for exactly, but it was close to guardian angel.. Usually, when I try to sleep I just see pitch black, but 30 sec. maximum I started to see stuff like when I'm meditating. I wasn't even body asleep I wasnt numb like I do usually and it takes me 15 min. atleast to get to that state. However, I started to see white dots...then flashes of color dots or lines and then a kind of kaleidoscopic shape black background and green shape in my field of view. I'm kind of amazed, because even when focussing, I never get farther than color dots or a blue shape floating or weird deep black...So I thought it was just random and that Im that tired and I would eventually just...fall asleep. I start trying to get back to pitch black, trying to focus on 1 to no thoughts(thats how I get myself to sleep).

However, I started to feel that I kind of lost control of my brain and thought. I lost the feeling of being tired and slowly I had a succession of dots, white or colored, some lines, that kaleidoscopic background, showing up and disapearing. It continued, everytime all of those successions were increasing in strength it was starting to swarm my "eyesight", the were starting to sometimes show up together, I also started to get some quick images appearing in my head sometimes very quick other time lasting like 1 second. My eyes couldn't stop moving, it forced me to open them and as soon as I closed them back I was still overwhelmed. During that "show", at some point, I heard a voice telling me "Hi" in my own language and the voice was just so clear and friendly. I heard it from my ear that was blocked and I got that surprised that I just opened my eyes and look around. Afterward, I still wasnt feeling tired and continued with only the visions, but I eventually vanished to sleep until this morning.


Analyzing:
I'm just not sure how to interpret what happenened, It's not the first time that I hear random unexistent voices, even if its been a long while and usually Im awake and they are faint compared to the one I heard. Another thing I'm sure is that I never had so much visions or lack of control when trying to go to sleep, even less stoping to feel tired. I can't stop thinking that it has a link with myself calling to see someone from the planes, since everything started so quickly and I really felt like I was getting overloaded out of my control. However, I'm aware of the power of the brain and how it could have tricked me, so I'm massively confused. I also need to add that it wasn't scaring me,

NOTE: I also need to add that it wasn't scaring me,  I felt excitement and I was in awe in front of that experience. The voice caught me offguard but I didnt feel threatened...just curious and excited.


In the end:
If someone had something similar happen or if you think you have some hints to help me analyze feel free to drop a message here. I've read a couple of things on phasing, experiences and stuff, but I cant relate any of my knowledge to my experience.

have a nice day or evening,

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NOTE: I wrote alot of stuff, what comes before the    -------- it can be skipped as it makes my post a way too long intro, but for some reason I can't explain I felt inside as I had to write that, but I don't know why.

Hi !

I'm an agnostic person from Canada and I'm a guy. I honestly don't know what to say so Ill try to make a global lookout of what draws me here. I didn't want to register at first as I was just experimenting like that for fun without much purpose, but something happened yesterday while I was meditating and it pushed me to register here as to have a way to communicating.

As I was a kid, I was raised as catholic and my mother always believed in spirit stuff so I took that as true. She was telling me how her aunt contacted spirits and had a couple of stories of that, I also had a young sick neighbor that she was babysitting and the night he died she said that she saw him floating over her bed and smiling to her. While Im skeptic today, I used to be a firm believe of that so my mind was opened on that kind of stuff.

I also used to dream alot, all kinds of dreams, from the basic ones to the ones that you do control yourself and some I think were premonition dreams. Im very not sure on the premonitions as it could have been déja-vu, but as my childish brain remembered Ive never had it as vivid as I remember those.

As a teenager, I slowly drifted apart from that mindset as I develop my critical thinking, I started doubting, being skeptic and getting more critical. My best friend was atheist and I switched toward the pure harsh scientific approach. I had never lived things comparable to my mother's so I went in denial due to the lack of personal experience

After that with the years and alot of personal thinking I drifted toward the agnostic view since I couldnt disprove either my friend's point of view and my mother's one. I don't know how relevant this is, but something inside me thinks I had to write this.

This part, I dont know how much sense it makes, but during that phase, I realized that during the nights I was dreaming, I wasnt resting as much as when I had "black" nights, and since I was cutting the sleeping hours, I kind of decided to condition myself to stop dreaming for maximum rest. I can't say I wasnt dreaming anymore, but I dreamed less or remembered them less and they were pretty much the standard dreams after that "cut".  I think that sums it up and while I could ramble alot more I think it makes a good background.

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Anyhow, last week-end  I was browsing the internet through random stuff and I eventually hitted on youtube a video titled as a pineal gland "activator" opening your third eye and while searching around what it was it got me interested so I decided to give it a try. I had already tried meditation and it looked alot like it. So did that, it lasted 15 min. and I thought it didn't do much but in the end I got to see a bluish square floating around and that got my attention as I had never seen that in meditation tries.

I decided to gather around some knowledge on third-eye/pineal gland and I stumbled at this very website. While I was midly going around gathering info, it started to interest me more and, eventually, I read about how life changing and growing astral projecting was and it kind of awakened abit my child mindset and I decided to give it a shot. At one point I was looking in that AP tutoring and thought I might want to do that, so I followed what was asked as lesson 1: which is viewing that 1h30 conference going around AP.

After watching this video, I got to the conclusion that reading others experiences could be detrimental or induce me fear so I stopped looking that. In the video it also hardpressed alot on advancing slowly and not be in a hurry so I decided meditating and focusing only and then look farther down the road. I decided to do that using the beat I found and went for a 1hr practice

Experience:
I was meditating, focusing got my body numb like it is resting as I did thelast time...focusing eyes closed  on the blackness, seing white lights going through it and aware of my body breathing. That's when it happened  I felt my lungs taking air, I noticed it was shorter than those before, started breathing out at the same speed and while happening I felt my body feelings going background mode (it was there, but I felt it different), I felt mild vibrations coming around my thoracic cage, but not from the background body its like it was over that. It caught me off-guard and slipped my focus abit as I thought I might be starting AP and I wasnt prepared for it, I didnt "study" that. It started fading back to normal, but I focused back into that state and observed more calm.

As I didnt note it down this Im not sure (I regret not taking notes), but I think I saw some kind of white waves pulsing to the vibrations I was feeling over my thoracix cage. Im not sure if I made those up, but I feel firmly that those vibrations were over my body. I eventually really lost the focus and finished my meditation.  After my meditation, I was body numb sleepy and my brain was tired as if it worked really hard. I felt it more between my eyes and the top of my head. That never happened to me while meditating.

I thought about it today, read around the forum, but Im abit confused about what really happened there. It looks like the description of phasing, but Im not sure and I have a hard time believing it was since, I don't have practice in that kind of things and I dont have the ego to think I got there. I just can't catalog that experience precisely on anything really and that's what dragged me here tonight.

Pleased to meet you and have a nice day or evening,