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Thats so true xanth and very often overlooked, our practise should always have heart  and a deep focused intention rather then just the  mechanical routine that people often fall into.

Fcojosedea i think thier method is probably something like this https://thetaoofwealth.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/kriya-yoga-synthesis-of-a-personal-experience-by-ennio-nimis.pdf.   The whole book is a really good read, the techniques are described in part 2

I just spent 2 hours looking up there stuff, it seems some guy and his wife read and got a basic understanding of the teachings of the bhagavad gita, yoganandas srf lessons and probably a few other resources, then decided to make a new ancient religion thats bin kept secret throughout history..... Called vardankar.

Then self proclaimed themselves vardankar master soul travelers,  all there videos and site is just repeating the same stuff over and over again without much being said, and then claim to have the most powerful technique thats beyond meditation  ever discovered  that will give you full god conciousness quickly, but dont really mention anything about it except that theyll teach it to you if you buy a $200 membership.

The teachings of the gita and stuff are an invaluable sourse of knowledge and insight but the way these guys are going about it just seems fishy.

Heres a really interesting site i found awhile back, its basicly a online book explaing the biology of kundalini.
It discusses what symptoms may occur , the physiology of the process, what one can do to help it further along and  things you can do to deal with the at times terrifying experiences ( terrifying only because of lack of knowledge, feeling peoples emotions and thoughts while losing any sence of time or memory can b quite frightning if you dont know why, especialy if lasts for extended periods of time ) knowledge is power.


  http://biologyofkundalini.com

When i was younger, before i had any knowledge and understanding for these kind of topics, i was sitting outside and for some reason the thought popped into my head what om was and why all these ancient traditions seemed to aknowledge its importance.

So i began to mentally chant om out of curiosity not expecting anything really to happen. To my surprise within thirty seconds i noticed a single raindrop fall about twenty feet away from me ( which was wierd in itself since im half blind and would never normaly be able to see that ) and as the raindrop was falling my entire sence of self became this raindrop.   But when the raindrop hit the ground me entire sense of self expanded like a shockwave instantaneously encompassing all of creation ,  its hard to explain but everything in creation became my own ( all desires , ideas , beings, planets EVERYTHING) then bam I was back in my body just plain old limited me,

It was something i was never able to place or interpret so it just faded into the back ground as just another cool experience, until 3 years ago when i started to research the metaphysical , ancient traditions , new explorers and how the all related to each other.

      One of the most interesting ideas i came across was the use of om to expand conciousness. The idea is this, source ( unmanifested  ever concious ever existing ever new bliss ) vibrated a part of its infinite self outwards. From that vibration all things came into being, which  is begining to be known by science as the wave and particle ( the wave being the underlying om that all comes from).

 Now through meditation a person can reach a state of oneness or samadhi were observing the observer and the observed  all become one, so if you meditate on om through listening to the ringing in the head following  it to subtler and subtler internal sounds  you will get to the the basic vibration that all manifestation springs forth from, and if you get to a state of oneness through deep concentration/ meditation on that sound you will have the experience of being all of manifestation.

   If you study the origional ancient traditions of hinduism and christianity before the dogma and opression came into play, they all say the exact same thing just in different metaphors.
In hinduism they say through the expansion of conciousness by meditating on aum the meditater realizes his unity with the  underlying conciousness that exists in the aum and pervades everything, and through further meditation on that experience the meditator begins to realize that that conciousness inherant in aum is the reflection of the the perfect conciousness of source beyond all manifestation and how he has always bin one with it and always will be

 Christianity says the same thing just in a different metaphor ,  through meditating on the holygbost / om  one realizes the perfect reflection of the fathers conciousness in creation as christ conciousness / the only begotten son  and everyones eventual realization of there unity with that.

Now i have never bin religious nor am i now,  but i find the ancient models of conciousness very interesting and worth a look at.  Personly i think thats what happened to me when i was younger  because when my conciousness expanded with the om and i became everything . even though it was just a glimpse it was the most real and vivid experience of me entire life, and now i know that state exists, and if the ancient traditions are correct every saint in history has bin trying to teach people how to reach that state.

Im not in any way saying thats THE WAY just my own experiences and conclusions at this point in my journey.  

 Another interesting note is near the end of franks posts he starts to discover something beyond f4 were he says his conciousness would expand to infinity, but he disappeared shortly after and never got to fully discuss it here. And again near the end of monroes ultimate journey  he describes something similar.
   Im interested to hear your opinions on this.

My opinion is all relgions have become based to much on literal interpritations and blind faith, and not the intended meaning for which they were created. The teachings of all religious texts (the gita the tora and the old and new testamit) all taught the same exact thing just in different metaphors

The student through the fallowing of the do n donts of life and the mastery of right posture give man self control over the body at witch point he can withdraw the life energy of the body to the spine and brain , witch results in the shutting off of the five senses and disrupting thots that are a product of the senses. By being fully withdrawn and concentrated with one pointed concentration the student directs that concentration towards the only reflection of god in creation the aum vibration or holy ghost , when man identafies himself with the aum vibration and the perfect reflection of gods consciousness inherant in it, his sence of self expands from the limited human body conciousness to the universal christ  conciousness eventualy reaching the trancendant state of cosmic conciousness beyond all creation.

All relgions were never ment to teach people to fallow blindly,it was intended to give man the means by witch he can experience and know the source himself through effort instead of going to churchianity and listening to a man whos never met god tell you about god from what hes learned in a book .
So ya christianity teaches how to reach the astral states and beyond just like every other religion , but christians themselfs and all churchianity have misunderstood the knowledge and teachings and led man on a wild goosechase with no reasonable end which is why they waste there time worrying about demons and so on
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But ya thats just my opinion from my learning and experiences

And the third eye is the reflection of the medulla in the forhead  its the source of gods intuitional wisdom and the only pathway the sole can take to reach cosmic conciousness beyond creation  nothing to do with satan or demons thats just fear mongering

I really like readin your posts szaxx your ideas are always. Very intriguing . When you say experience all or nothing i totaly kno wat you mean but for me its not nothiing its no-thing that every thing exists in

But your rite its almost impossible to express in words because its a intuitive basrd feeling an the intalectusl mind can nver understand it because its jst to much. . Its like trying to tell someone wat a rose smells like
To tell some one to think or concieve Of sometthing beyond all manifestation in every sence of the word is hard to comprehand for most ppl  but when you can experience the motionless state of the soul body and mind , the all pervading loving intelagince underlying all that is  makes itself known and not before that. , thats when the game of life truely starts

Unless you were aware of the dream as well i dnt think it should really have any relavence to you. It was just a product of his/her subconscious.  ,  thats just my perspective tho

The point of life for me Is to reunite the motion bound soul with the motionless infinite source  and whan you get the experience of that you realize what it means to express the perfect qualitys of spirit or source. But after that experience you open your eyes and your back to just you.  But its an. Amazing feeling because then your whole life becomes about changing your outer self (the feeling of indaviduality and free will)  to reflect that inner perfectness  that you know exists 

Worrying about things doesnt help tho but that doesnt mean to ignore things , it means to calmy observe and understand yourself and choose which seeds you want growing in the soil of your mind

I think heaven is the state of mind of eternal ever new bliss and fufillment when one gets final soul liberation from manifested delusion an unites back with the infinite no-thing ( god ) through the perfection of the soul . And hell is the state of mind when man forgets his self and gets stuck in the never ending string of material desires that always innevitably ends in sorrow.    

Liberation or delusion

For me ive come to realize that the true self is unchangable. But most people indentify themselfs by the things that change i.e. Body thoughts emotions beliefs and habits. And since things that change cant be real or truth .all of manifested creation is realized as just a delusion and the true self is realized as the no-thing behind all manifestation, thats ever blissful  omniscient omnipotent and wisdom its self. i like mbt but i think he makes life seem a bit to mechanical n not enough beauty.

When one realizes himself as the no-thing  that contains all things including desires and emotions you realize that there cant be any desire or experience that you havnt fufilled its only the ego/mind that desires things but will never be satisfied  because thers nothing in creation that could make you eternaly blissful and satisfied , only the discovery of the true self will do that

Our true self is made in the image of god or watever you want to call it. But through ignorance weve triked ourselfs into thinking we are the limited bodys and personalitys. Its only through introspection and effort to change ourselfs and live from truth love and wisdom  , that we can clear away the dirt from the window of our soul and start to shine the light of our true divine self through and inspire others to do the same

A normal man can help many , but a man who reforms himself will reform millions

Lol i actualy had one a few months back, when i hopped in the shower in the mornin i thot i was awake til i realized there were 2 fosets , then suddenly i was in my bed again so i get up  go to the shower again n same thing see the foset then wake up in bed again. This happened 2 more times   Then the last time i woke up in bed i had a feelin sumthin was off so i decided to take a run at my wall , ( thank god i was out lol ) went rite through n flew around my neighborhood for a few minutes  then things got mishmashy n i woke up for real
It was quite the funny experience  but ya ur defanitly rite they can feel so real you wouldnt know until something throws you off

Kinda makes you wonder how real this experience of reality is

So this morning i had my first conciously induced projection. I woke around five  did sum stuff for afew minutes  had a smoke then went back to bed .
I figured this wld be a good time to meditate  so i started doin my mantra then my mind went still n focused within in a few minutes
Then all of asudden i heard music playing, it intrigued me so i started focusing on it. All of a sudden the music got really loud and clear and i got a big falling feeling  i suddenly woke up in my bed , figured id phased so i tried to sit up but then fell out of my bed to the floor in super slow motion . As soon as i hit the floor i was bak in my bed
The experience was brief but it was the first time i phased without a lapse in conciousness  , i hope this is a sign for things to come   . But i always hear music in my head n nver thot to use it to project  so ima try n see if its repeatable 😀😀

i also found these videos on youtube its 6 lectures of todd murphy talking about the device and how science is starting to blend with spirituality through a newish field called neurotheology. its very interesting, its all about how theyve found how peoples brains work when they get elinghtning experiences.
the one on enlightenment and the self is probably the best video, though there all good and full of interesing information

check er out
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL86D1EC09EAABBEE3

happy tavels !!

No worrys it's not strange ,  I'm from bc Canada

hello all!!
so i found this thing on the internet the other day its called the shiva 18 coil neural stimulation system, its basicly a commercial version of micheal  persingers god helmet.
ive bin researching it for the past few days and apparently the guy who made the shiva  (todd murphy) studied under persinger for years so he seems quite reputable, the device uses very weak specialized magnetic fields ( not EMFs which is dangerous) pulsing at irregular intervals around the head and this has bin shown to induce experiences from physic abilities, obe's , extreme feelings of bliss and even the experience of seeing god.

heres the site with the product
https://shaktitechnology.com/shiva/god%20helmet/

the site has quite alot of scientific information to back the device up, and thers even quite a bit of information to do with neural science that relates to AP which i found very interesting. the device costs a bit more then id like but there is smaller models that cost considerably less, but of all the testimonials i found of it the majority seem to think its worth every penny

it seems like itll do alot more then my laxman and probably even the lucia 3 ( i still love my laxman tho   ) but for 900ish Canadian instead of 20,000 for a lucia i think i might have to start savin lol

but ya i posted this cuz ive never heard of it before and never seen it mentioned here before and thought some of you might find it as interesting as me .      and if anyone owns one or has tried one please share ur experience with it.

happy travelin   !!

its defanitley a bit religious and spiritual  witch is great if ur into that thing like me , but like most things even if it isnt your cup of tea its still choked full of valuable information worth knowing , ya jst gota read between the lines kinda, take what ya can from it leave the rest , i foudn the part about how the heart controls the senses through the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system pretty interesting , for ppl who didnt check it out it basically explains when you oxygenate the blood and revitalize the nerves and get your body and mind into complete relaxation , through focusing on the point between your eyebrows  (the part of the brain that controls will power and concentration) and being aware of ( not focusing on ) your breath you can start to control the life force.your breath will slowly start to calm and (happens faster each time with practice) as a result your heart slows down , and because your body is so oxygenated and relaxed it stops producing co2 rich blood for your lungs to clean and your heart to pump, so in time they seem to completely stop, and when the heart goes into rest it retracts the life force from ur heart witch in turn  switches off ur five senses, bringing the life force back into the spine and brain, and the resulting freed life force starts to revitalize every cell  in your body, but when your five senses turn off you have no more imput coming in creating new thoughts witch will stop all thoughts caused by past memories freeing the single pointed concentration to do what it wants, personally it helped me completely get over the breathe thing and now i can get into the deepest concentrations i have ever bin able to.  rather quickly. when the body is in complete rest and the mind immersed in total concentration its a wonderful feeling.   thees also a few lessons in there i forget wat page but he talks about the ringing in the ears and how to use that to get to deep states on consciousness witch will lead to intense vibrations and how to utilize that vibrating feeling to expand your consciousness to Christ consciousness (experiencing everything on the planet and eventually all manifestation as your body all at once) ive had it happen a few times personally so it can happen from these techniques.   defiantly changes the way you look at life in general tho (for the better) 

Also check out the movie alive: the life of yogananda on netflix. ,an incredible movie

im not sure if its well known but their has bin scientific explanations for the going ons of this practice for along time , here's a link to a ebook  to the yogananda srf lessons, its quite long but is loaded with loads of invaluable information written almost a hundred years ago that answers ur question and probably alot of questions u didn't know you had , ive bin studying them for the past six months and it has completely changed my practice and im getting results i never thought possible,  for any one looking into being able to reach a what i guess is called 3d blackness at will should defiantly consider reading  some of this,  it even explains the hows and wats of getting to what frank called F4 and experiences beyond there witch will boggle ur mind if you can get there,   but it in no way gives instant easy results, like everything in this art it takes true dedication and determination, but it will give you a real advantage and gives true scientific explanations and methods that explain the physiological and psychological happenings going on witch will give you a way better understanding of what your doing and were your going, but ya anyone whos interested check it out        i reccomend starting at page 144  the art of concentration and the 4 lessons afterwards it will give you a complete understanding on how to reach perfect one pointed concentration at will, and for anyone whos a bit advanced in this art start reading at page 1295 witch gives the true technique of kriya  witch if you can do will give you the most incredible results ever its bassicly advanced life force control identical as that taught by budda , krishna , christ and the rishis of india of long ago, it will magnatise your spine and brain and litteraly revitalize and rewire your nervious system and brain extremely fast in the right way . they say 1 kriya witch takes approxamitly 30 seconds does the rewiring to your body from the act of concentrated will (intent) witch would take nature 12 years to accomplish to accomplish, witch is why yogis taught renunciation. because if an individual did kriya for 8 hours a day for 3 years they could reach a million years of spiritual evolution that takes the physical a long time to accomplish. but ya im ramblin, ive bin meaning to post this for awhile , but i hope many people can get the benafit from these as i have, from wholeheartedly following these teaching it has completly changed my life and i wish the same great benafit for anyone who studys and fallows these techniques        its a game changer!!!


http://leschinsky.com/books/SelfRealizationFellowshipLessonsByYoganandaParamahansa.pdf

http://trueacu.com/The_Art_And_Science_Of_Personal_Magnetism#1
Its quite long but a really good read

Its a really good documentry about science and conciousness , theyve actualy known quite a bit for awhile but not many people in science dont want to talk about it .
The guys voice is kinda monotoned but he doesnt talk to much

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MP1I1eT-alA

ive bin practising these few tichniques for a few weeks now and have noticed some great benafits to the state of the body and mind once achieved.    i was wondering if anyone on here has ever heard of these techniques before, and if so what has bin your experiences with it so far. noticing benefits i mean

http://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/kecharimudra.html

once you can get your tounge back to ur uvula ive noticed it instintly stills your mind (but that could just be me)

http://www.nine3.com/DeerMan.html

and if anybody is interested in learning more about the deer exercise you should check out the book tao of sexology by stephen chang, its quite a interesting read.

im not sure if this is the rite place for this topic so if its not  feel free to move it 

are you sure its lucifer and not andrew dice clay......BOOM!!!
but in all seriousness what ajdin and xanth said is the best advice take a break and ground urself bak in reality and stop gettin wrapped up in ur head
best of luck to u 

Good idea the email address is   Mail@neurotronics.eu

hey manuel just to let ya know and everyone else on here the people at neurotronics were super helpful once i finaly got in contact with them and the said that its a known defect with the goggles and ther sending me a replacement no problems .. super awsum     and manuel if u havnt gotten in contact with them yet jst email them from the address on the site  dont make the same mistake as me and try through the contact link. but if u do they said they got a gold pair  special edition  rite now witch ther sendin me so im sure if u havnt resolved it yet theyd do the same for you.  happy travels to everyone

Hello blade sounds like your making great progress, u are getting very close to aping , as for the rapid heart beat and shaking they arnt physicly happening thier non physical sensations  there fear tests you give urself ,the duration is different with everyone, some ppl dont even get them. After you get farmiliar with them they tend to smooth out also try n keep calm excitement tends to bring u back. But u need to think of them as just post signs that let u kno ur getting close but just like driving u dont stop and focus on the sign and think ur at ur destination. So ya just keep doing what u were doing and dnt add any other techniques  cuz they will get in the way   And dnt wry about having to protect urself u are the only thing that can harm you .

If u havnt read xnaths ebook yet u shld its a good read  and chek out franks posts its a long read but filled with little nuggets of gold

Best of luck ur on the right track ull b phasing in no time