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Hmm well that's a very interesting question Xanath. And I will do my best to answer from my experience of life.

Well I know you need food, water and air to survive. I know you need to work and make a living (unless your daddy is rich) if you want to make it in the world. I know that my mommy loves me. I know  the experience of life is not always a walk in the park and things get hard for everyone sometimes. I know there is no stronger force in this entire universe then love. Reguarding more spiritual experiences. I know when I pray or worship in relationship to christ. I feel alitteral hot warm spirit pouring into my physical bosy that consists primarily of pure, radiant love and power. I know that from every other spiritual practice I have had. That is the only one that has that effect.  I know that has a dramatically positive effect on my personal, mental and spiritual well being. I also know upon learning about christ and coupled with the experiences I've had my lifestyle changed almost effortlessly (starting at 21 now im 26). I know that change was pretty dramatic. I know that I animals, humans, plants and life exsists on this planet as I have seen them with my naked eye. I know I have seen with my naked eye in one occasion while in a dark room, wide awake and fully alert an angelic white light being suspended in the air and on another occasion while fully alert a dark shadow man. Both having their own unique presence you could feel in the room and one pentraited peace into the atmosphere the other penetraited fear and kinda had a smell like rotten eggs acompaning him. I am sure you can guess which being penetraited what sense. So that leads me to believe in a spiritual reality and a possible invisible spirit world. Beacuse they both apeared and vanished in this world, the natural. Now I know all those things based on what lionheart said based on the 5 sense's.

But as regards to projection. I do not *Know* little to anything at all. And that is why I am here. Asking what can you as individual "Projectors" If I may use the word. Know is real based on your individual experiences. And can you explain all of this to me. And also what is the concept of astral projection anyways. Projecting what? And to where? that sorta thing. I am very open minded just trying to understand.

(Sorry I could list quite alot more things I know from experience in my personal life but I did not wanna go on forever. So I listed natural and spiritual things I am certain of based on my 5 senses. While in an alert and very conscious state.)

Haha I agree the prophets and others had quite a few strange OBE's in the bible. That is not a lie.

Oh and that experience was not self induced. Thats what I said i didnt plan on attempting to achieve OBE. That just kinda sorta happen. Which ultimately led me to this discussion board.

To that experience. I am not sure if that was real or make believe. Only God knows that. But I have had supernatural experiences that I am sure were very Real and not make believe. But that is a list of many long stories with a dominantly christian context which only prove to enforce my belief in Christ. But as for that particular experience. It was in the grey area. In other words. Weather it was real or not I can not tell.

So okay. So what you are saying is you are creating a world within your self. Similar to a dream? And you are experiencing that place? Or is it that you are experiencing what a christian might call the spirit realm? Or is it a mix of the spirit realm and the natural realm but you are acting as a spirit entity apart from your body in that realm?

I mean I can understand if you having left you body and are acting in the spirit realm. But if you are working in some kind of subconscious realm within your self. That seems and feels very real like the natural realm. I'm trying to understand if that is real or just a universe your creating within your self that seems real but could in fact is a creation of your own imagination occuring within your self.

I mean i as a christian always thought astral was projecting your spirit out of the natural realm and into the spiritual realm. Where angels, demons, other unusual entities and spirit beings dwell and do their actions. And they also are interacting with the natural world through eccentric spiritual activities.  

I dunno the latter makes perfect sense to me because of my world view. The idea of a subconsious realm we are bringing about through our thoughts im trying to rap my head around. Weather thats a real place or not. I could also imagine you are leaving as a spirit from your body into the invisible spiritual realm and your are actions and abilities there are based on your faith or your "thoughts and belief manifesting".

I mean I believe in an invisible spiritual realm. Im just trying to figure out if thats the place you guys are going or if it is a self made world within your self.

But I can imagine everyone has a variety of views and ways they perceive that experience to be. I wont be attempting it personally as I see I have no need for it in the life I am trying to live as I can interact with the spiritual realm in the natural realm just fine and do not need to disconnect from my body in order to achieve what I am looking for in this life. But I am curious at what exactly is going on in your Astral Projection experiences. Or atleast the different ways you all view what is actually taking place.

Hi I read a bit about your obe experiences and the way you who practice this commonly agree the world to be. I am a christian and very content on my beliefs as they answer my needs and desires and give me direction for my life. But I have a question about what your general belief as a community is about your astral experiences and life in general.

It seems to me the general concensus of this community is what ever your beliefs and experiences are create your world through your subconscious imagination. So my question is when you are having an OBE through an astral experience is that experience you are having a real authentic place with real being and places you constructed through your sub conscience. Or is that place you are traveling to just imaginary as a result of your subconscious mind? And if so as a community what is real and what is not real to you in body and out? Or is life relatively a purely post modern experience in general with no absolutes at all? Just wondering what this community believes their experiences and life to actually be. Real or subconscious imaginations?

Yeah that baby sucker is called an aswang here. Pretty notorious... But it is not well... A sleep attacker only. It'll get ya when your wide awake aparently and it comes in many forms. My girlfriend has at least seen the big black dog and a kinda big black boar. In which cases some people who have had such encounters get sick afterwards and die. Those experiences happening to people just trying to walk home at night. Its more of a shape shifting warlock then anything else as the story goes. But its kinda hard to put it into any description. Because it has many forms. But a long tongued baby sucker is one of them.

I dunno considering I am a spiritual christian so as a result I believe demons are actually entities rather then simply products of our imagination. But I believe your imagination can create them as well. Rather they are real entities or a result of over imagination. But I also believe they can be invited by your imagination but not always. As my first sleep paralysis experienced happened when I was about 8 and there was not any talk or horror movies or what have you happening in my life to spark that frightening experience with the shadow thing running across the room and the paralysis in my bed at just 8 year old. But reguardless of my experiences I am open to others experiences and opinions. I just believe they are actually entities. But yes I believe people bring them about themselves weather it be from practicing it or digging deeper into darker subjects and practices. Meditating on it as well.

I do kinda feel because they take it SO seriously here. That kinda makes it worse though. Rather then offers them more protection...

Hey guys. Im new here this is my first post. Just have a something I wanted to talk about and these boards seem to be the apropriate place to do it.

Well about my self and situation. I am an American I am currently in the Philippines living with my girlfriend. Have been here for 6 months. Well my topic is a phenomenon that has taken place in south east asia for a while aparently. When I first heard of it I thought it was hog wash and impossible. But when I had a boarder line experience of it then my girlfriend had a terrible experience I did research and and found out its very real. She kept telling me people can get attacked in there sleep by demons and die. Of course you all are thinking no of course not just like I did. Tell I looked up SUNDS and found out its a very real phenomenon. Where 1 our of 200 filipinos die as a cause of this. I did not look it up tell I had an experience and my girlfriend had an experience the following night.

(I would put this in the dreams catagory but the nature of our experiences was more astral projection in nature. Although Ive never purposefully attempted astral. The experiences them selves closely resemble it.)

So my experience. Well I was laying in bed on my back and i was just between falling asleep and still awake. I felt my self lift up outta bed and i walked to the bathroom (This either being my dream or or astral i do not know) But it was all so clear and real. I was in my house and everything was the same. I walked to the bathroom and inside the bathroom was a 7-8 foot tall grim reaper with his arms stretched a hooded mask with a greyish face and silver hands and feet. I looked at it then basically went back to where I was laying. It then shot like lightening from the bathroom over top of me and grabbed me by my neck. I am a christian so I told it to go off of me in jesus name in my dream while it was chokeing me. It disapeered and I immediately woke up. I prayed and went back to sleep feeling attacked but safe due to prayer. The end


Now I was definatelly physically attacked in some way but not enough to care to do research or feel threatened so i didnt even share my story with my girlfriend. But my girlfriend had an experience the following night changed that.

We were talking she was laying in bed and i was on the computer. She then dozed off. It was only a few seconds when I had a chill go through my body then 2 minutes after she had fallen asleep she started screaming loudly screams of real authentic terror while still asleep Of course it scared the lights out of me and i shook her for awhile until she woke. She didnt wake easy but when she did I asked what happened. She said it was bungawut (dont think i spelled it right) but in their language its basically a phenemon where ur attacked by a demon and can die. I looked it up and found out its actually quite a common unexplainable experience in the philippines.

Her experience was this. She had the same as me just befor falling asleep she stood up out from her body. Saw me on the computer and everything as it was. She then walked into the living room and a large black dog with red eyes was on the sofa it growled at hurt then jumped and bit her right on the throat and held its lock. Thats when i woke her up.

She told me she had this experience before when she was young alot and her mom would sleep with her just to wake her up if ever she was having it.

Well I mean that is it. Then I looked it up and found out the that YES people do actually die from this experience. But of course they cant share their experience because they died so weather our experiences are authentic is up for debate.  But folk tradition here says the experiences happen in this way.

Just wanted to say this. And weather you do believe in demons that they are real entities or imaginations. It seems teachers of astral say they cant hurt you. But at least in south east asia.... ummm yes they actually really can. Of course thats up for debate in this discussion as well. I just wanted to bring this phenomenon to this board and see everyones opinions or ideas? That's all.