Thank you for all of your responses. Lionheart, I see your point. Ukrainflyer, are you up for that? I mean, for someone who has never projected...may be a bit intense. Escape Velocity, a "healer" talked to my four guides in front of me last week. One of the girls told her if I tried to enter that low realm to get him out that she would watch me get my butt kicked. I wonder...